New Feature - Champions 2.0 (Live with R287)

ThaRoadWarrior

Since ones and twos aren’t directly shardable, I wonder if a 3* character will be fastest to 550?

Tony_Foot

@Bowgentle said:
Ok these numbers on 1* Iron Man look insane.
This will break so much stuff, it'll be glorious.

Will it, how far above 550's are they currently? Sure the blue hits hard but it's also stupidly expensive.

For me personally now I've had time to digest the Discord chat and here, I think realistically as a player who highest 5* are 511/504/494 this really isn't going to affect me that much.

I'm not going to take a 1* 2* or 3* past my highest 'real' 5* and screw my mmr until I have much more depth at the top. Or we see how this MMR changes happen.

I have something like 30-40 max 370 four stars. My highest dupe is 300 carol. I'm not going to be binding any 4* until the dupe is at 370. So that top end of the game really isn't going to bother me at all. I will take up some, 1,2,3* up to 4* level when they are max duped for the rewards and speed up character essential matches. Other than that my chances of getting two 4* into the 5* tier in any meaningful way is tiny. Hopefully then my MMR keeps me away from those that can. If it doesn't, I stop playing PVP past whatever tiny rewards I can get quickly.

I will say I would have preferred supports to have come first and seen that impact, we might then have not even needed this.

They are saying they will tweak any balances needed if a rogue moves up and is game changing, I think that's total tiny kitty. Something I would be happy to believe in if they showed any actual pace at rebalancing in the past. It will be something you have to wade through for 12 months until it makes the list. Do I have any faith that they can fix the current bugs, no. So why would I believe they will sort out a troublesome 2* moved into the 5* tier without completely kneecapping your hard work.

Kahmon

I don't dislike the idea, but the implementation seems overly complicated. It will also looks like it will create havoc with roster lots and champ farms.
I'll give it a chance, but I'm dreading this more than excited for it.

DAZ0273

Likewise I only have 1 max champed 4* and only a smattering of max champed 3* and all my dupes got eaten through by the 3/5 releases so I can't see me doing much with this, especially as the release rate won't slow down. I have one rostered 1* - I might mess around with that on release of this next week but my HP was being aimed at Anniversary, not on spurious roster slots when I already have 300+

I don't really see how this is new player friendly either myself but then the whole thing hurts my head.

rainkingucd

@DAZ0273 said:
Likewise I only have 1 max champed 4* and only a smattering of max champed 3* and all my dupes got eaten through by the 3/5 releases so I can't see me doing much with this, especially as the release rate won't slow down. I have one rostered 1* - I might mess around with that on release of this next week but my HP was being aimed at Anniversary, not on spurious roster slots when I already have 300+

I don't really see how this is new player friendly either myself but then the whole thing hurts my head.

I'm thinking the same. I just rostered a dupe 1* Spider-Man to test it all out, so 1 slot no big deal. I'm not ready to start my 4* yet. Maybe I'll do it with 2* Storm too. And I just maxed out my dupe 3* Iron Man, so I figure I'll test with one of each tier to start.

DrClever

It's not new player friendly unless they start being very very generous with new roster slots.

It looks like fun but as others have said I'm a long way from being able to do anything with it, so I'm looking forward to seeing what the big beasts do with it and to each other.

It looks like the people who might suffer are those playing at the very top level without huge rosters - they might see their peers who have a horde of duped maxed 4*s stealing a march on them.

For some reason softcappers seem concerned - I hope that's not without justification.

slidecage

I didnt read though 10 pages so this mostly Rips people off who hit the 300 slots and had to sell people so they didnt have to buy slots i had around 40 or 50 people i had to sell just so i didnt have to pay 1200 per slot.. i doubt they do retro and give us credit for all of the people we sold

ThaRoadWarrior

Why would they?

DAZ0273

I juggled my roster for so long to try and keep it below 300 but in the end I gave in because the release pace just doesn't stop and I couldn't keep my head above water. If this had been a year ago it would have been different as I had dupe 3's along with max champed 3's aplenty. I only have 9 max champed 3's right now with everybody having been recycled otherwise apart from some of the new 3's still coming up. So yeah - I figured my focus was finishing off the 5* tier not looking downwards. Big joke on me with this, lol!

Bad

It doesn't matter how many dupes you had.
That was before.
Right now things changed for real. If you favorited a character and reached max, logically you changed it in order to have a wider roster. Now that's not needed anymore, and continue growing more and more 3* or 4s once all the other characters are ok to play any event.
Also new boss events have heroic. A wise move would be to study which affiliation you are missing the most and then beginning to ascend a 1 or 2* in order to cover that.

I don't think all pvps will start filling up with 5* ascended characters. If that happens that will be in the long endgame MMRs.
But on time there will be some variety in pvp for sure. And the one having a psylocke 5* i.e of course will have an easy pvp or LR.

DAZ0273

@Bad said:
It doesn't matter how many dupes you had.
That was before.
Right now things changed for real. If you favorited a character and reached max, logically you changed it in order to have a wider roster. Now that's not needed anymore, and continue growing more and more 3* or 4s once all the other characters are ok to play any event.
Also new boss events have heroic. A wise move would be to study which affiliation you are missing the most and then beginning to ascend a 1 or 2* in order to cover that.

I don't think all pvps will start filling up with 5* ascended characters. If that happens that will be in the long endgame MMRs.
But on time there will be some variety in pvp for sure. And the one having a psylocke 5* i.e of course will have an easy pvp or LR.

I have every single character in the game bar the 1* of which I have 1 because it has always been understood that 1* characters are gateway characters and I have been playing 7 years. Every single 4* is champed apart from Negative Man. So I am not suffering from a narrow roster but nobody ever said that keeping copies of max champed characters would become important - so like many I sacrificed them in order to try and champ the 5* - the top tier of the game which presumably was the goal of players advancing. So I am not missing any affiliations, I just don't like being steered in the direction of "You might wanna have at least two of every character".

And it does matter how many dupes you have - that is entirely the point of the new system - don't have a dupe and want to ascend a character - buy a slot. This is all about slots - they could have easily implemented this without any need to have duplicates of the same character but they didn't. It is not hard to understand the path they chose of course and Devs gotta get that gold but it is a bit transparently obvious what this is looking to do. Nothing I can do but either suck it up or get killed by 4* Ares so it is what it is. Simples.

Bad

@DAZ0273 said:

And it does matter how many dupes you have - that is entirely the point of the new system - don't have a dupe and want to ascend a character - buy a slot. This is all about slots - they could have easily implemented this without any need to have duplicates of the same character but they didn't. It is not hard to understand the path they chose of course and Devs gotta get that gold but it is a bit transparently obvious what this is looking to do. Nothing I can do but either suck it up or get killed by 4* Ares so it is what it is. Simples.

Yeah you are here wishing a gacha game doesn't behave like a gacha game. And maybe they could just keep everything the same, repeation behind repeations, and probably endure a lot of years more.
But they choose to work hard and develop the game further more. I applaud them for that. And it's time for them to harvest well earned profits, and for us to adap to.
A 4* Ares won't kill you because it's still a 4*.
But a 5* polaris and BRB are able to do it.
So the race starts now.

Tony_Foot

@DrClever said:

It looks like the people who might suffer are those playing at the very top level without huge rosters - they might see their peers who have a horde of duped maxed 4*s stealing a march on them.

For some reason softcappers seem concerned - I hope that's not without justification.

I don't know why you would want to go after soft cappers, I'm not one but I sure as hell will be now, for the reasons you stated about the top off the game, this is their toy. I have a ton of low level 5* champs. Everything 511-450. Most are 480 and under. Why in hell would I now want to get a 550 or three and end up in sheer hell.

Right now I can horde and jump in with the meta and I compete with a view that it won't last but all characters are pretty open and available to me. Let's say the meta becomes 550 Big Wheel, 550 (4) Puck 550 (4) Winter Soldier. There's nothing a 9 year player like me can do to join that meta in any meaningful way.

The amount of time it takes me to get 4* to 370 and then another is reason enough for me to stay as far away from the top of the game now as I can. If that means soft capping I will. I will have fun taking as many lower characters as I can to 4* and not look to level my traditional 5* past 511 I am now.

I think even the top of the game where people hoarding for years rather than spending will get annoyed with this level of gatekeeping.

DAZ0273

@Bad said:

@DAZ0273 said:

And it does matter how many dupes you have - that is entirely the point of the new system - don't have a dupe and want to ascend a character - buy a slot. This is all about slots - they could have easily implemented this without any need to have duplicates of the same character but they didn't. It is not hard to understand the path they chose of course and Devs gotta get that gold but it is a bit transparently obvious what this is looking to do. Nothing I can do but either suck it up or get killed by 4* Ares so it is what it is. Simples.

Yeah you are here wishing a gacha game doesn't behave like a gacha game. And maybe they could just keep everything the same, repeation behind repeations, and probably endure a lot of years more.
But they choose to work hard and develop the game further more. I applaud them for that. And it's time for them to harvest well earned profits, and for us to adap to.
A 4* Ares won't kill you because it's still a 4*.
But a 5* polaris and BRB are able to do it.
So the race starts now.

If you can quote me directly on this Forum or elsewhere if you like where I said your opening lines above I will let you get away with it, otherwise you are just making assumptions and putting words in peoples mouth and talking nonsense. I never said this game could not advance, change or adapt. In fact it is you who are putting forth the idea that all this game can ever be is a "Gacha game". It can be whatever the Devs want it to be. If I don't like what it becomes then I can also do as I please.

Crowl

@JediJones77 said:
I like the idea of being able to upgrade every character in the game to the same tier. I also play Contest of Champions, and that's basically how that game works. All the same characters exist at each star level, for the most part. It's not done by upgrading from one level to another, but that's beside the point. The main point is, if you like the basic Wolverine character, the same character can be played as a 1-star, 2-star, 3-star, 4-star or 5-star.

The problem with the plan outlined here is the very awkward and confusing mechanics to get this "ascension" done. If this is tough for an end game player to process and absorb, imagine how confusing it is for a newbie joining the game today. The biggest confusion comes in what it will take to ascend a low rarity character, like a 1 or 2-star, up to 5-star. It's like a Russian nesting doll scenario to figure out the steps to taking a 2-star to 5-star. By my math, you'll have to be holding 4 separate roster slots for that character at one point to eventually get it there. That's awkward, complicated and just ugly to look at when you're browsing through your roster.

Why can't this process be simplified? How about all the extra covers for a character just get placed in an "ascension bank" on that character's screen. Then once you get enough covers, you can pay HP to "ascend" them to the next level. First step would be to max the character you have. Then, after that, each new cover goes in the "ascension bank." And when the bank reaches its threshold, you can pay HP to ascend the character. I'm not asking to get them upgraded for free. But rather than paying HP for new roster slots and juggling multiple versions of almost every character in the game on your roster screens (which is even more annoying on the screens where you select characters for fights), let us just keep one copy of the character and pay the equivalent amount in HP as an "ascension fee." It would make this whole process so much easier to learn, understand, explain and execute.

That would be a far more elegant solution than this one they are introducing and would see far more engagement right from the outset as there would be no need to keep hoarding until you have the multiples required. Although it would be better if they took it a step further an opted for something like that CoC approach where ascended characters could still be used at lower star ratings (or just their original one) for those nodes like DDQ require a particular star rating.

Crowl

@entrailbucket said:

@BlackBoltRocks said:
They could reduce the cost of roster slots further.

Or they could, you know, make roster slots gasp free! There's no other game that penalises players for adding to their rosters like MPQ. I don't get penalised for catching as many Pokemon as I can in Arceus or Violet.

They'd have to find some other way to make money. They could probably do this if they didn't have to pay Marvel for the license, but I don't think the game would be as popular without these characters.

Outside of very early on, will that many people actually be spending money to get roster slots though or it it more likely that they earn enough to keep up with demand HP or are forced to sell covers when they can't do so. It seems more likely that those spending real money are doing so for offers/vaults that appeal to them and all that reducing/removing roster costs would do would be to encourage more regular spending elsewhere since they would no longer need to hoard a certain amount to ensure they had enough for their next batch of roster slots.

ThaRoadWarrior

As I’ve been thinking about this, I think reward wise it may actually wash out to being a pretty good deal for 4-5s over time. 5* rewards are on average way better than 4, so if you aren’t concerned about feeder output I think you’ll potentially come out ahead here. The only question is pull rate if you are needing 4x covers to get any resource reward from that character at all, so I guess we’ll have to see. I really don’t see any downside to activating the 1* tier either outside of eventually needing 4x roster slots per character. I have a duplicate Chavez at 318 right now, my highest level dupe. I think I’ll push her to 320 for the JJ shards and then merge them when she becomes part of the mergeable pool. That (I believe) will grant me a ~465 level 5*, and that would put her in the ballpark of my average 5* level. The bulk of my other dupes are either not quite 13 covers or barely champed, so I kind of feel like kicking them to 450 and then just rostering at least a single cover backfill for node access is going to be my strategy at that tier.

Tony_Foot

I'm hoping (wishful thinking) that they increase token drops for 4* somehow. Better odds on mighty tokens or something to slightly speed up my 4* progression to allow me to play this game where I take 4* to 5*. I play a lot and currently with dilution getting more of a problem in the 4* tier think I'm still 2 years from taking a dupe to 370. I won't take up a 370 and a 270 because I need every feeder cover I can get. Plus I want to double dip rewards.

MegaBee

My current play style is max champ 'em all, then roster a dupe. That's going to serve me well going into this.

Bad

Feeder concerns were pretty much a thing from the past.
Why do you want 2 or 3 covers of x character when you can have polaris, chavez, valkirye, gorr, deathlok at 460 5* tier?
Just saying.