***** Omega Red (Horseman of Pestilence) *****

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  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,963 Chairperson of the Boards

    I wonder what will happen with the supports rework. None of the new ones generate AP. They've said they plan to redo all the existing supports before allowing them in PvP -- I wonder if they'll remove AP generation.

  • Punisher5784
    Punisher5784 Posts: 3,845 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:
    I wonder what will happen with the supports rework. None of the new ones generate AP. They've said they plan to redo all the existing supports before allowing them in PvP -- I wonder if they'll remove AP generation.

    Or give true healing

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,744 Chairperson of the Boards

    @DrClever said:

    @MgoBlue51 said:
    excuse my ignorance here... But what teams win on turn 0?

    To give an example of what is required to put this sort of thing together, 5*Riri plus Iron Man with the Arc reactor support plus a villain with Proxima Midnight support can generally fire Riri's Repulor Charge AoE as soon as battle commences which will deal with low level nodes.

    The same sort of thinking can produce teams that down/send away opponents of a higher level.

    I always thought it weird to consider Riri a turn 0 win. I mean, yes, it is by definition, but you still have to do something. There are teams you can use where you literally do nothing and win. Maybe we should call that a turn -1 win?

  • StanleyBurrell
    StanleyBurrell Posts: 143 Tile Toppler
    edited July 2023

    @entrailbucket said:
    Mine is championed at lvl451 (thanks, Sabertooth!) but Apocalypse is the key to this. Omega Red is only there to prevent Apocalypse from being stunned, and for the passive, stunproof AoE that Apocalypse can boost.

    Unfortunately, after a brief consultation with some top PvE players, this team is not fast enough to compete. It can't ever win turn 0, and that's basically a requirement to compete now.

    It is still pretty good though!

    Yes and no. I believe he could have value at the top end because of two reasons.

    • Consistent damage
    • Supports not required

    On open he may not be there but could have value on grind. That and wave nodes specifically.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,963 Chairperson of the Boards

    @StanleyBurrell said:

    @entrailbucket said:
    Mine is championed at lvl451 (thanks, Sabertooth!) but Apocalypse is the key to this. Omega Red is only there to prevent Apocalypse from being stunned, and for the passive, stunproof AoE that Apocalypse can boost.

    Unfortunately, after a brief consultation with some top PvE players, this team is not fast enough to compete. It can't ever win turn 0, and that's basically a requirement to compete now.

    It is still pretty good though!

    Yes and no. I believe he could have value at the top end because of two reasons.

    • Consistent damage
    • Supports not required

    On open he ,at not be there but could have value on grind. That and wave nodes specifically.

    Dunno! I'll defer to anybody who knows what they're doing in high end PvE, that is not my thing at all.

    I thought I'd found a really cool fast team with Thanos... talked to a couple of them and they were like "lol no."

  • Grizwald
    Grizwald Posts: 130 Tile Toppler

    @DrClever said:

    @MgoBlue51 said:
    excuse my ignorance here... But what teams win on turn 0?

    To give an example of what is required to put this sort of thing together, 5*Riri plus Iron Man with the Arc reactor support plus a villain with Proxima Midnight support can generally fire Riri's Repulor Charge AoE as soon as battle commences which will deal with low level nodes.

    The same sort of thinking can produce teams that down/send away opponents of a higher level.

    But 4* Juggernaut, 4* Grocket, and a GotG can do that with a match and not have to worry about if you supports don't fire.

  • Falconfreak
    Falconfreak Posts: 119 Tile Toppler

    @Punisher5784 said:

    @Falconfreak said:
    Now if we can just get Hobgoblin in the game...

    He's coming Halloween

    I sincerely hope you are correct. I've been asking for years for Hobgoblin as have so many others.

  • DrClever
    DrClever Posts: 584 Critical Contributor

    @Grizwald said:

    @DrClever said:

    @MgoBlue51 said:
    excuse my ignorance here... But what teams win on turn 0?

    To give an example of what is required to put this sort of thing together, 5*Riri plus Iron Man with the Arc reactor support plus a villain with Proxima Midnight support can generally fire Riri's Repulor Charge AoE as soon as battle commences which will deal with low level nodes.

    The same sort of thinking can produce teams that down/send away opponents of a higher level.

    But 4* Juggernaut, 4* Grocket, and a GotG can do that with a match and not have to worry about if you supports don't fire.

    Turn zero precludes having to make a match IMO

  • Pantera236
    Pantera236 Posts: 526 Critical Contributor

    @DrClever said:

    @Grizwald said:

    @DrClever said:

    @MgoBlue51 said:
    excuse my ignorance here... But what teams win on turn 0?

    To give an example of what is required to put this sort of thing together, 5*Riri plus Iron Man with the Arc reactor support plus a villain with Proxima Midnight support can generally fire Riri's Repulor Charge AoE as soon as battle commences which will deal with low level nodes.

    The same sort of thinking can produce teams that down/send away opponents of a higher level.

    But 4* Juggernaut, 4* Grocket, and a GotG can do that with a match and not have to worry about if you supports don't fire.

    Turn zero precludes having to make a match IMO

    Yes and no. Can you technically not call juggs grocket GotG a turn zero? Sure. But it is still the fastest easy node clear. You don't need to take AP with you or have any supports so no banners have to proc. Only thing that could slow you down is if you accidentally cascade, or if there isn't a juggs match but with time/practice that's not an issue.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    I'd rather not have them mess with order of operations stuff on the scale of 400 characters.
    Just nerf Chasm already, instead.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,342 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bowgentle said:
    I'd rather not have them mess with order of operations stuff on the scale of 400 characters.
    Just nerf Chasm already, instead.

    Ha, ha, yes. Imagine the chaos they could unleash - they can't even fix a Hit Monkey team up let alone re-write the game! Delete Chasm! Give us whatever you are going to give us. Never do Chasm again!

  • 658_2
    658_2 Posts: 235 Tile Toppler

    @Bowgentle said:
    I'd rather not have them mess with order of operations stuff on the scale of 400 characters.
    Just nerf Chasm already, instead.

    Of course, but they know how to do it now, and there are a significant portion of characters this affects but nowhere near all. Amongst the reasons people complain about Chasm I don’t see the first turn passive disruption cited that often compared to the drain or revives, and we already know they’re nerfing his match damage. They’re also obviously trying not to nerf him to oblivion. When the nerf finally comes, is the first turn stun prominent on the radar?

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,963 Chairperson of the Boards

    @658_2 said:

    @Bowgentle said:
    I'd rather not have them mess with order of operations stuff on the scale of 400 characters.
    Just nerf Chasm already, instead.

    Of course, but they know how to do it now, and there are a significant portion of characters this affects but nowhere near all. Amongst the reasons people complain about Chasm I don’t see the first turn passive disruption cited that often compared to the drain or revives, and we already know they’re nerfing his match damage. They’re also obviously trying not to nerf him to oblivion. When the nerf finally comes, is the first turn stun prominent on the radar?

    How do we know they're nerfing his match damage?! Do you have details? Share!

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    @658_2 said:

    @Bowgentle said:
    I'd rather not have them mess with order of operations stuff on the scale of 400 characters.
    Just nerf Chasm already, instead.

    Of course, but they know how to do it now, and there are a significant portion of characters this affects but nowhere near all. Amongst the reasons people complain about Chasm I don’t see the first turn passive disruption cited that often compared to the drain or revives, and we already know they’re nerfing his match damage. They’re also obviously trying not to nerf him to oblivion. When the nerf finally comes, is the first turn stun prominent on the radar?

    How do we know they're nerfing his match damage?! Do you have details? Share!

    I think he's going by the version of Chasm that was in game for like an hour.
    Less match damage, but 4 AP drain, random.

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,277 Chairperson of the Boards

    @658_2 said:
    They’re also obviously trying not to nerf him to oblivion. When the nerf finally comes, is the first turn stun prominent on the radar?

    I hope not. That first turn stun is the reason I use him on certain teams (ie mindless ones, stop BRB/Grocket placing SAPs etc). They can nerf all his other stuff and I wouldn't care.

    KGB

  • DrClever
    DrClever Posts: 584 Critical Contributor

    I'd certainly start the Chasm changes with the first turn passive suppression (and fix it in the game mechanics if possible rather than with character changes).

    I haven't got a good team to defeat Chasm by spamming the board and not letting him place abyss / web tiles but that ought to be a workable strategy and stopping him blocking first turn special tiles feels like a good starting point.

    I don't personally mind if they do a series of changes to (/because of) Chasm and take a while over reducing his prevalence.

    Something like this and maybe increasing the number of abyss tiles required for each successive revive might be enough to stop him clogging things up too much.

  • 658_2
    658_2 Posts: 235 Tile Toppler

    @Bowgentle said:

    I think he's going by the version of Chasm that was in game for like an hour.
    Less match damage, but 4 AP drain, random.

    Yep. I shouldn’t say we “know” they’re nerfing match damage but strong indicator.

  • Blackstone
    Blackstone Posts: 603 Critical Contributor

    @allen_koholic said:
    I don’t understand the thought process behind allowing Omega Red’s passive to proc against Chasm on turn 0, while kneecapping BRB and everyone else. It’s seems like pure power creep nonsense.

    My assumption on the thought process is that OR isn't doing anything to apply the damage. Just being near his body poisons you. So it would still affect you even if he's stunned.

    I don't get the effect still proccing when he's sent away, but I get it for when he's stunned.

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