***** Magik (Phoenix Five) *****

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  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,857 Chairperson of the Boards

    @IrisRyu said:
    Magik’s repeaters are fine, but I’m looking for the best boosters for her additional permanent match damage. After a bit more play testing (and following Entrail’s suggestion), I think Okoye/Kang are her best partners in pick-3.

    Is this actually worth the effort? (Not a rhetorical question -- I'm really asking.)

    The thing about Okoye is that she's pretty great, and she can make a lot of teams pretty great. If Magik isn't boosted or essential, does this team beat out any of the usual suspects?

    The only case I can think of where I'd really want her is vs mass healers, and even then, probably only in pick-3.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    I did fight one Magik this pvp (yes, singular - nobody else was running her) and I came away unimpressed.
    Sure, I took a bit of permanent damage, but hardly enough to matter.

  • IrisRyu
    IrisRyu Posts: 177 Tile Toppler

    @entrailbucket said:

    Is this actually worth the effort? (Not a rhetorical question -- I'm really asking.)

    I freely admit that Magik is lackluster and is definitely not worth the effort for most players, but I’m a big fan from the comics and am biased to like her. If the devs had given Magik Jeffrey’s powers, which I don’t find to be at all impressive, I’d still be looking for viable teams to maximize her damage output.

  • tonypq
    tonypq Posts: 557 Critical Contributor
    edited April 2023

    For those who want to finish Kang, would you rather have extra levels on Wong or Jeffrey ?

    Wong sounds more useful than I thought after reading some comments here. Jeffrey seems only worhtile for his green, doesn't seem like he'sanyone you'll care about extra champ levels.. Wong you guys say plays well with Magik and sure he can work well with Kitty, Polaris, maybe some others. It's unfortunate with Wong you can't puck what spell he casts start of battle.

  • ThisisClemFandango
    ThisisClemFandango Posts: 1,069 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited April 2023

    there was Magik, newly released, and the devs toned her down as she was too strong, and just as she started matching, she didn't do permanent damage. And all the kids cheered! But I didn't cheer. I stood right up and started shouting. This isn't what her powers said last week! Have you all got amnesia? They just cheated us! This isn't fair! SHE DID'NT DO PERMANENT DAMAGE ON EVERY COCKADOODIE MATCH!!!

  • liminal_lad
    liminal_lad Posts: 497 Mover and Shaker

    I just tried running her boosted with Emma in the Jeffrey PVP and she died quickly against almost everyone.

  • Tiger_Wong
    Tiger_Wong Posts: 1,093 Chairperson of the Boards

    Sucks to be you.

  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards

    I've fought her a few times already. Each time really happy to fight an easy battle, by the time she has many repeaters she is already dead.
    And she still has her buff.

  • Scofie
    Scofie GLOBAL_MODERATORS Posts: 1,621 Chairperson of the Boards

    I tried her with newly- champed Wong and Kitty on a PvE node against tile movers. The times Wong produced strikes it was an easy win. When he produced protects it was painful.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    That's a good summary of Wong in general lol.

  • LavaManLee
    LavaManLee Posts: 1,683 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bowgentle said:
    That's a good summary of Wong in general lol.

    Yep. Definitely. Which is why in PVE it's fine to retreat and try again but certainly not going to do that in PVP. He's ok in PVE and fairly pointless in PVP.

  • Alex502
    Alex502 Posts: 184 Tile Toppler

    Wow, this got real catty, real fast.

    Could we just focus on how Magik really didn't need nerfed before arrival and as she is, she's a limp noodle against some big hitters, and she didn't change anything most of us?

    Its really weird seeing players go at each other over nothing while the Dev's continue to produce more bugs and more problems and more meh characters.

  • fight4thedream
    fight4thedream Posts: 2,017 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited April 2023

    Mod note: Removed off-topic discussion. Please keep this discussion civil and on topic. Thank you.

  • pepitedechocolat
    pepitedechocolat Posts: 253 Mover and Shaker

    I think 5 magic has a design issue. When revealed (pre nerf) her role as a slow but very high potential damage dealer was a nice niche to fill. with lowered damage she is just chewing like a puppy and don't really have anything special to offer.

    for her to be appealing again, she needs either to become dangerous damage wise again, or maybe be repurposed as a damage soaking character that slowly cook the enemy. (she would still not be meta, but at least could have nice uses in some side events)

  • Codex
    Codex Posts: 427 Mover and Shaker

    As it has been stated many times, this character is not meant to be meta. This character is for players that fall into the following subsets:

    1) like magik as a character
    2) like permanent damage
    3) like synergistic playstyle
    4) like interesting powers
    5) and a mix of the above 4 subsets

  • ThisisClemFandango
    ThisisClemFandango Posts: 1,069 Chairperson of the Boards

    I can't believe I went to the trouble of finding Annie wilkes' rant from Misery to demonstrate my disappointment and got no likes.
    I had such high hopes for Magik but yeah she seems DOA

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,857 Chairperson of the Boards

    What if I like interesting powers and synergy but want characters to do a worthwhile amount of damage? Why are those things mutually exclusive?

  • Codex
    Codex Posts: 427 Mover and Shaker

    @entrailbucket said:
    What if I like interesting powers and synergy but want characters to do a worthwhile amount of damage? Why are those things mutually exclusive?

    There is nothing wrong with wanting it. It's up to BCS to deliver. And let's not forget there are many subsets of players that want different things. They may not cater your wants/needs right away.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,857 Chairperson of the Boards

    Sure, players are allowed to want different things. But look at Okoye. She synergizes with nearly everyone, and requires strategy (how will you keep her in front?), but her power does a significant amount of damage. Apocalypse is a synergy character with several unique and fun mechanics, who also happens to do a ton of damage. Even the dreaded Chasm has a completely unique, interesting and fun powerset, and also does a metric ton of damage.

    So why does Magik get to be unique, synergistic and interesting, but only if she hits like a newborn baby?

  • pepitedechocolat
    pepitedechocolat Posts: 253 Mover and Shaker
    edited April 2023

    My point was not "magic should be meta" as meta is meant to evolve. It is "she should bring something unique enough to be considered nice to play" which from my point of view she does not . Her "unique" power is spawning demons but the damage they do is super low and every other turn, at this point it's just a weakened version of spawning attack tiles.

    Besides I dont think devs ever stated "she is not meant to be meta", on the contrary they teased she should be a strong contender even with nerfed numbers. (maybe they are fully mistaken, as it seems their QA process has had some setbacks lately)

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