HoundofShadow said: Unless you are using boost, all their powers require 3 match-3. Besides, we are comparing just the red power.If we want to add in Apocalypse's yellow boost, then we need to throw in Elektra's yellow to even out the field.450 Apocalypse's red will deal 12886 x 4 or 51, 544 damage. So, the first 3 hit of Apocalypse's red will be reduced by 50%. So, we have (6443 * 3) + 12886 = 32, 215 damage. So, his damage per ap will be 32315/14 = 2301.07Elektra, on the other hand, would have dealt a total of 20851 + (8688*3) = 46915 damage. Her damage per ap would be 3127.66.As you can see, Elektra's damage per ap on a level playing field is even better than Apocalypse and his boost. What can be seen is that they have different roles. Apocalypse is an all out offense character, whereas Elektra is a tactical/defensive character. In 1 v 1, Elektra can be better than Apocalypse.
HoundofShadow said: Unless you are using boost, all their powers require 3 match-3. Besides, we are comparing just the red power.
HoundofShadow said: There's always match-4, but none of us can guarantee a match-4 of the colour of our choice right at the start of the turn, unless we are using certain characters. Generally, it's all RNG. Apocalypse red deals damage immediately but you can't choose who you want to deal the damage to because it's default to the lowest health enemy. And he can't stun opponents. As for Elektra's red getting matched, it's up to the player's skills to ensure the success of her red power. If you fire her power when there's a red match-3 available and the AI is likely to chase red, then it's on the players. Since we are comparing Apocalypse with Elektra, using 1v1 will be easier. If we start using 3v3, there are a lot of possibilities to discuss and it will never end.If players start using their feelings to gauage how much damage should be dealt, then it's as good as saying you want more power creep faster. Her red deals 2316 damage ap, which is better than many other powers, using damage per ap as a comparison. Reduce her power to 7 ap and it's 2978.71, which would be higher than meta's.
TheRiddler said: Maybe we should just stop comparing characters to Apocalypse? I seem to remember Ronan, Odin and Gamora all getting compared to him as well.
bbigler said: I think people have gotten spoiled with 7 AP powers and think that 9 AP is too much. Did we think Dr Strange’s 9 Blue AP stun & hit was too expensive? No, we thought it was great. Any power between 7 - 9 AP takes 3 matches to get anyway (unless you’re constantly using AP boosts). Elektra’s 9 Red AP stun & hit is not expensive, it’s priced correctly for what you get. Her yellow is an amazing bargain though. With a yellow battery, this would be even better. I would bet her purple passive steals Grocket strikes on battle start, buffs them and reduces the enemies. Defaulting to strikes is more useful than attack or protect.
Bad said: As a stun power, 2 turns is meh. It finish too soon.And as a damage cd, 20k is nothing. And in 2 turns anything can happen. So I fail to understand how it can be considered a good power, per 9 AP.
entrailbucket said: Except it's not at all difficult to compare characters from different categories. There are at least two quite popular threads in the characters forum that rank all of the characters in order. Are you saying that any attempt to rank characters is invalid? In a game with limited resources, players must decide where to spend those resources, and they often decide by comparing them.