DAZ0273 said: jp1 said: On the other hand we get people like Shang Chi released while there are AAA characters yet to see the light of day. Shang Chi starred in his own comic book for 9 years, a pretty impressive achievement especially as he did so without too much interaction with the wider Marvel characters (he didn't need gimmick pairing up's like Powerman & Iron Fist to rescue his comic book). He might not be AAA but then again, nor were the likes of Blade, Ghost Rider or even Daredevil. I think he is solid as a release, even if there wasn't a film.Assuming this is Shang Chi of course.
jp1 said: On the other hand we get people like Shang Chi released while there are AAA characters yet to see the light of day.
jp1 said: DAZ0273 said: jp1 said: On the other hand we get people like Shang Chi released while there are AAA characters yet to see the light of day. Shang Chi starred in his own comic book for 9 years, a pretty impressive achievement especially as he did so without too much interaction with the wider Marvel characters (he didn't need gimmick pairing up's like Powerman & Iron Fist to rescue his comic book). He might not be AAA but then again, nor were the likes of Blade, Ghost Rider or even Daredevil. I think he is solid as a release, even if there wasn't a film.Assuming this is Shang Chi of course. I guess it’s a different perspective. As a kid from the comic book era, his comic wasn’t in my shops. If it was it certainly wasn’t prominent. There are 100 characters off the top of my head that “should” be implemented first if we are going off of popularity from comics. Of course that’s anecdotal from my own experience l. But, I wasn’t introduced to comics from the MCU if that’s what your impression is…in fact I would have preferred Marvel didn't fold and we got movies that actually tackled the more adult side thematically rather than popcorn fare we ended up with. Those representations of life were more real and less cartoon fodder to me and generally speaking if Ragnarok (and that is my favorite MCU movie) was the best Marvel had ever had to offer, I wouldn’t be a fan at all. Nostalgia is what keeps me going with it. I’ll grant that specifically Shang Chi probably has nostalgic value for king fu fans or early Asian representation, which is a good thing. The part I don’t like is we will never see some of the far more popular characters due to the PC culture and Disney being unwilling to push any boundaries. Anyway, enough tangential dribble. Like I said, his power set looks very interesting. I’ll chase him all the same.
DAZ0273 said: jp1 said: DAZ0273 said: jp1 said: On the other hand we get people like Shang Chi released while there are AAA characters yet to see the light of day. Shang Chi starred in his own comic book for 9 years, a pretty impressive achievement especially as he did so without too much interaction with the wider Marvel characters (he didn't need gimmick pairing up's like Powerman & Iron Fist to rescue his comic book). He might not be AAA but then again, nor were the likes of Blade, Ghost Rider or even Daredevil. I think he is solid as a release, even if there wasn't a film.Assuming this is Shang Chi of course. I guess it’s a different perspective. As a kid from the comic book era, his comic wasn’t in my shops. If it was it certainly wasn’t prominent. There are 100 characters off the top of my head that “should” be implemented first if we are going off of popularity from comics. Of course that’s anecdotal from my own experience l. But, I wasn’t introduced to comics from the MCU if that’s what your impression is…in fact I would have preferred Marvel didn't fold and we got movies that actually tackled the more adult side thematically rather than popcorn fare we ended up with. Those representations of life were more real and less cartoon fodder to me and generally speaking if Ragnarok (and that is my favorite MCU movie) was the best Marvel had ever had to offer, I wouldn’t be a fan at all. Nostalgia is what keeps me going with it. I’ll grant that specifically Shang Chi probably has nostalgic value for king fu fans or early Asian representation, which is a good thing. The part I don’t like is we will never see some of the far more popular characters due to the PC culture and Disney being unwilling to push any boundaries. Anyway, enough tangential dribble. Like I said, his power set looks very interesting. I’ll chase him all the same. True, we are obviously driven by our own perspective and exposure to source material. That said, I think it is an interesting topic as to what people consider to be top tier characters in any genre. Shang Chi disappeared from comic book shops for a long period so it is easy to understand why he might be considered second or third rate.Strangely enough - your avatar is a bug bear of mine, lol! Omega Red - now that is a character I have never understood the popularity of! I guess Jim Lee drawn X-Men was da bomb but man that was a phoned in story that introduced him and nothing since has ever changed my mind! I am prepared to be the minority here though!
fight4thedream said: entrailbucket said: This guy is really sort of a Rorschach test for players. I suspect the majority of players will think he's worthless, and for them he will indeed be worthless. Other players will think he's one of the best.This is the kind of character they should be making though. Players who like strategy can play with him slowly and strategically and beat anything, but crucially, he doesn't force anyone else to play the same way when fighting him. It'd be like Colossus reducing match damage, but only when he's on offense (which, now that I think about it, is how that power should work. Would anyone still use him?) It's interesting that you mention Colossus because he is a hard counter to this character, no? For those interested in running this character, a friend of mine pointed out that 5* Iceman complements his power set pretty well. With this characters board control, it should be easier to utilize Ice's stun which will be very important when dealing with Wanda/Colossus teams in PvP. The only big issue will be maintaining your combo while trying to set up Ice's stun.
entrailbucket said: This guy is really sort of a Rorschach test for players. I suspect the majority of players will think he's worthless, and for them he will indeed be worthless. Other players will think he's one of the best.This is the kind of character they should be making though. Players who like strategy can play with him slowly and strategically and beat anything, but crucially, he doesn't force anyone else to play the same way when fighting him. It'd be like Colossus reducing match damage, but only when he's on offense (which, now that I think about it, is how that power should work. Would anyone still use him?)
entrailbucket said: fight4thedream said: entrailbucket said: This guy is really sort of a Rorschach test for players. I suspect the majority of players will think he's worthless, and for them he will indeed be worthless. Other players will think he's one of the best.This is the kind of character they should be making though. Players who like strategy can play with him slowly and strategically and beat anything, but crucially, he doesn't force anyone else to play the same way when fighting him. It'd be like Colossus reducing match damage, but only when he's on offense (which, now that I think about it, is how that power should work. Would anyone still use him?) It's interesting that you mention Colossus because he is a hard counter to this character, no? For those interested in running this character, a friend of mine pointed out that 5* Iceman complements his power set pretty well. With this characters board control, it should be easier to utilize Ice's stun which will be very important when dealing with Wanda/Colossus teams in PvP. The only big issue will be maintaining your combo while trying to set up Ice's stun. Colossus significantly slows him down. I don't know how much it matters, because he's probably gonna be slow no matter what, and I can't see him being used at all if speed is a factor.
Jimsta_rooney said: entrailbucket said: fight4thedream said: entrailbucket said: This guy is really sort of a Rorschach test for players. I suspect the majority of players will think he's worthless, and for them he will indeed be worthless. Other players will think he's one of the best.This is the kind of character they should be making though. Players who like strategy can play with him slowly and strategically and beat anything, but crucially, he doesn't force anyone else to play the same way when fighting him. It'd be like Colossus reducing match damage, but only when he's on offense (which, now that I think about it, is how that power should work. Would anyone still use him?) It's interesting that you mention Colossus because he is a hard counter to this character, no? For those interested in running this character, a friend of mine pointed out that 5* Iceman complements his power set pretty well. With this characters board control, it should be easier to utilize Ice's stun which will be very important when dealing with Wanda/Colossus teams in PvP. The only big issue will be maintaining your combo while trying to set up Ice's stun. Colossus significantly slows him down. I don't know how much it matters, because he's probably gonna be slow no matter what, and I can't see him being used at all if speed is a factor. He could be quick with colossus, and only shares one colour.Has potential to be game breaking tbg
HoundofShadow said: Numbers are not disappointing. At max (10) Combo Points,Red power tile destruction damage deals at least 26,800.He heals for 21515.Max charged tiles: 8Max damage increase: 5360Red/Purple/Blue match-3 damage: 8336/8006/7676This is easily 5/3/5 build.
HoundofShadow said: That's why, to me, he's the 5* Karnak. Their abilities are so similar. It's just that their match damage increase are expressed in a different way. 4* Karnak critical multiplier is also 4.5x. Typically, characters with increased match damage has critical multiplier of 3.5x. Given your scenario, I think the charged red match damage should be:992 * 3 * 6 * 4.5 = 80, 35280,352 (match damage) +5360 (ability match damage increase) =85, 712