***** Odin (All-Father) *****

TheRiddler

Thanos said:

I was gonna make some videos but there's no point. Odin doesn't really do much of anything, he has almost no offense and barely any defense. If he's your last man standing, you might as well concede.

If you had to pick somebody to pair him with in a pick-2 who would you say is his best partner?

fight4thedream

Odin feeling kind of blue.

Bad

TheRiddler said:

If you had to pick somebody to pair him with in a pick-2 who would you say is his best partner?

A fighter. 
Sorry, but I never thought that I was gonna see the D&D clerig in MPQ.

DAZ0273

NOdin (The All-Failure) 😶😑

Thanos

TheRiddler said:

Thanos said:

I was gonna make some videos but there's no point. Odin doesn't really do much of anything, he has almost no offense and barely any defense. If he's your last man standing, you might as well concede.

If you had to pick somebody to pair him with in a pick-2 who would you say is his best partner?

Whoever in your roster is closest to a one-man team.

fight4thedream

TheRiddler said:

Thanos said:

I was gonna make some videos but there's no point. Odin doesn't really do much of anything, he has almost no offense and barely any defense. If he's your last man standing, you might as well concede.

If you had to pick somebody to pair him with in a pick-2 who would you say is his best partner?

Now that we have a clearer understanding of how his powers work, Ghostpool, Ronan the Accuser and Electro seem like prime candidates. Basically, Odin's best ability is that he will protect the other characters on your team from large, direct hits. This is especially a boon for Ghostpool's black.

As others have noted, the weird thing is that it seems his synergy with Heimdall is wanting. With only one offensive ability between them shared on the same color, Odin's strongest AP color being yellow making it tactically unsound to use Heimdall's yellow and Odin needing to take damage to get tile fortification engine going, running them together will be very messy. 

In terms of character flavor and comic-lore, they missed the mark pretty badly here. He has very little synergy with his fellow Asgardians and no real synergy with himself. As @Bad has pointed out, it seems they tried to shoehorn him into a Healing Cleric type character which I don't deny he is capable of but that is only a fraction of his power. There aren't many who can claim to have head-butted Galactus. This is a being whose battles have caused the cosmos to shake, planets to crumble and galaxies to fall; the fact that his only attack ability is low damage is simply baffling. 

With Beta Ray Bill, Heimdall, Hela, Loki, Thor, and Valkyrie already in game, it would have been nice for the Dev Team to create an Asgard affiliation that Odin's powers could complement. Perhaps a reverse version of Xavier Protocols that grants other Asgard characters 30% less damage for each active Asgard character on the team. I also would have liked to have seen the Odinsleep worked into his character design. 

As a comic fan, it feels as though his power set were just thrown together last minute to fulfill a particular archetype with little consideration given to his established powers and abilities nor toward making him play well with other Asgardians. 

With that said, I hate to be all doom and gloom so I will say that I do like his AP tile art. 

Srheer0

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With Beta Ray Bill, Heimdall, Hela, Loki, Thor, and Valkyrie already in game, it would have been nice for the Dev Team to create an Asgard affiliation that Odin's powers could complement. Perhaps a reverse version of Xavier Protocols that grants other Asgard characters 30% less damage for each active Asgard character on the team. I also would have liked to have seen the Odinsleep worked into his character design. 

That would have been a smart thing for them to do. Perhaps they could have given him  a power that ignores all damage reducing abilities (so would ignore passives, protects and immunities and invis). Maybe for fellow Asgardians. 

Or maybe D3 are trying to say wisdom is healing and protecting allies, instead of killing ones enemies.

Polares

This is sadly another big dissapointment like AoA Mags or Pyclops, really great characters in the comics, super powerful that get a pretty lame game adaptation.

This year has been VERY hit and miss, and mostly miss sadly. Wanda is great, Colossus is good, YJ, Ghostpool and Electro are decent but I barely use them at all, and then Ronan, Knull, Psyclops, Mags and now Odin are pretty meh/bad If you think about it, just Wanda and Colossus are usable really.

PS: I dont know where to put Adam, probably in the meh/bad category now that Wanda and Electro negate his black completely (as a match damage char, Colossus is much much better).

Tiger_Wong

His blue (Odin Blessing) might be his best power. The board really fills up with those CDs once the parameters are met. And those strikes are big. 

Knull
4* CM 5/5/3
Odin

Odin
4* CM 5/5/3
Heimdall

Odin
4* CM 5/5/3
Magik

just a couple that intrigue me. 

HoundofShadow

After spending 10 minutes on his second node today, I found out:

1) AoE will not trigger his yellow passive power, regardless of whether he's in front or at the back. I wonder if Skuttlebutt or Survial of the Fittest will trigger him to jump in front or do multiple fortification. It's likely a no for Skuttlebutt, but I'm not sure about SotF.

2) Cascades will trigger him to fortify tiles multiple time, if it meets the minimum damage requirement and when he's already in front.


Maybe they can release Lady Sif as the next 5* to help this old man out.

Bad

On day 2 today, odin needed almost 3000 damage to start his engine and the only way to achieve that is eating the AoE of the mindless. So another great node for to not see all his potential(about the divine champions, I didn't know ghostpool was one of them, possibly him neither).

I'm not sure if it would be the fastest team, but odin could have sinergy with HE and carol4*, as bodyguard odin could in theory give some protection to dangerous 4* such as her, polaris, karnak, medusa, riri, and sinergy with misty knight. 
All that would be for to having fun and experimenting a bit, as his final use in pvp should be, like we are all thinking, for to increase the annoyance of the Wancol team. 
So I think, despite all, this is a character to not skip in the case the future could prove the opposite. 

Tony_Foot

Bad said:

So I think, despite all, this is a character to not skip in the case the future could prove the opposite. 

The amount of times I’ve heard this line, I can only remember one time it’s worked. Captain Marvel and she got nerfed.

it makes far more sense to wait until they about to leave and if no magical partnership appears let them slide. If by some miracle they end up being meta you will get another shot in another vault.

i have 27 unchamped 5* on my roster and at no point do I regret a single one of them. When I posted my unchamped and asked who was worth sharding next I was pretty much told none of them were worth it.

if your not a champ them all player this release is as easy a pass as you will get. Awful.

entrailbucket

I think the +100 level boost changes the calculus on skipping a 5* quite a bit.  If somebody skipped Killmonger or Archangel it'd be hard to compete in those weeks, and now we don't even know who'll be boosted together.

That said, I'm not sure a +100 level boost even helps Odin very much.  Does his threshold scale with levels?  Normally the jump-in-front powers get less useful as the guy levels up, so he might be an exception to "boosted 5* make mediocre 5* great" rule.

entrailbucket

I will add: I'm very happy that Odin is bad.  Since Scarlet Witch and Colossus appeared, the game is unbearably slow without boosted 5* to counter them.  If Odin was good it'd have gotten even worse.

Please stop making defensive characters and start making characters that ignore defensive passives, or 5* stuns, or something to speed these fights up.

Tony_Foot

entrailbucket said:

I think the +100 level boost changes the calculus on skipping a 5* quite a bit.  If somebody skipped Killmonger or Archangel it'd be hard to compete in those weeks, and now we don't even know who'll be boosted together.

That said, I'm not sure a +100 level boost even helps Odin very much.  Does his threshold scale with levels?  Normally the jump-in-front powers get less useful as the guy levels up, so he might be an exception to "boosted 5* make mediocre 5* great" rule.

I don’t think it changes much at all, if you have the top 20 to 25 you will use those boosted over the weak ones like you did before. Sure they are handy and if they throw out ock AA Wasp and Odin next week I’m in a bit of bother but I can lose a week of CP rather than the 7500 cp I’d have wasted chasing those 3.

if you are already a champ them all as they come player I can see why you would continue but I prefer the no pressure route.

Tony_Foot

entrailbucket said:

Please stop making defensive characters and start making characters that ignore defensive passives, or 5* stuns, or something to speed these fights up.

There’s never been a better time to add supports to offensive only PVP.

tonypq

They need to fire some of these designers. There's been way too many trash 5s for the same people to have their hands in the character creation process going forward. Only so many 5s released yearly, while each new one doesn't have to be Apoc or Okoye, or BRB caliber, they shouldn't be instant garbage and dead on arrival. Especially with the lame LL store continuously tied up with multiple 5s of varying degrees of sucktitude. 

Maybe their thought is who cares of the character is terrible, they'll be good when their boost comes around. It wouldn't be so bad if they ever revisited characters more off for fine tuning when they've missed the mark completely. How many awesome characters do they have to butcher, very depressing most of these new 5s are so bad. Especially when it's a new character that hasn't appeared before in any tier like Odin, or Magnetos 5* entry that was super disappointing. There's hardly any interest in so many of them before they've even hit LLs. 

TheEyeDoctorsWife

entrailbucket said:

I will add: I'm very happy that Odin is bad.  Since Scarlet Witch and Colossus appeared, the game is unbearably slow without boosted 5* to counter them.  If Odin was good it'd have gotten even worse.

Please stop making defensive characters and start making characters that ignore defensive passives, or 5* stuns, or something to speed these fights up.

Taking the counter-point , I enjoy a slower , more calculated , chess- like battle . SWitch has also been an attack deterrent in PvP. I play for the enjoyment of competition and strategy however . My battles take 3 to 5 minutes on average . True , Odin so far seems defensively disappointing although the day 3 Introducing showed more promise as I had complete AP drain in 4 colors . A great character once said , Sometimes the best offense is a great defense, Will Robinson “

Captain_Trips88

Regardless of how bad he seems as a character, whoever thought that the blinding white light triggering every few rounds was a good idea after the issues surrounding the screen dim just needs to be fired. 

Hellblazer666

As someone who has wanted Odin for a long time I am also disappointed with how he turned out.  You have let the All Father down Devs shame on you.