Is Wanda Top Ten for sure?
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Are people mirror-matching Hulkoye? because that NEVER seems to work well for me. I need to switch to a counter team to win, which I'm happy to do; right now it's some BRB-based team while I work on building up 5Witch; we'll see if she ends up working out for me in the end.0
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entrailbucket said:The alternative is just living in an alternate reality, and it's also giving people bad advice. For newer players, if you want to be competitive at the highest level, Wanda/Colossus/whoever is simply not going to get you there, not without changes to Okoye or Hulk or both.
On one side you say it has always been this way, on the other side you dream about changing it for the first time by whining constantly. Yikes.
Check the original post, no one said Wanda was going to make people competitive at the highest level. We all know how the meta works in this game. Some of us actually still enjoy the game deeply, just the way it is.
Wanda helps me enjoy the game even more, and I think she is Top Ten all time.
That is all.
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So if I wrote a post saying "I enjoy playing with Starlord, to me Starlord is the best MPQ character of all-time, what does everyone else think?" everyone should agree that he's the best because it's my own personal opinion?
No one would point out the reality that Starlord is actually not that useful in a competitive environment?0 -
entrailbucket said:So if I wrote a post saying "I enjoy playing with Starlord, to me Starlord is the best MPQ character of all-time, what does everyone else think?" everyone should agree that he's the best because it's my own personal opinion?
No one would point out the reality that Starlord is actually not that useful in a competitive environment?
And we all know who WOULD butt into the conversation and start screaming again about competitive environment even after he says he doesn't even play competitively any more! We know what gets you off, and we know you just have to do it in public.
All good. Your reality is your reality and I sincerely hope you enjoy it fully.3 -
If 5*-Lord's yellow didn't cost 10ap, I'd try running him as an anti-hulk0
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He was good with Thanos and Grocket in PvE for a long time, even though I rarely fired any of his powers.0
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I have played a few matches against Wanda after her boost worn off. As a baby champed 5* player, I find her slightly irritating because she slows down offenses. Unless you stun her or get rid of her repeater and then spam your powers on the same turn, else you have to fire one power per turn and then spam your powers when you are confident that she will be downed. This also means you don't really want to bring anyone who deals passive damage every turn or create attack tiles somehow.
Her Mystical Feedback is merely chip damage (think of it as Carbage making an extra match that turn) unless you got a cascade.
Is she top 10 in PvP? Yes, she is.
Currently, in PvPs, the common opponents that I can remember now are:
BRB/Apocalypse
Ihulkoye
Onslaught/Apocalypse
Onslaught/Prof $
Polaris/BRB
Kitty/R4G
There are 9 of them. I'm not including Thor even though he's a meta because I seldom see this guy in pvp now.
As you can see, she slows down every team above, except Kitty/R4G and Polaris/BRB. So, she's in there as a defensive meta.
PvE-wise, she will be helpful if you need some extra protection to reduce damage in SCL 10, if you don't have the other meta tools.
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magicbeaned said:entrailbucket said:So if I wrote a post saying "I enjoy playing with Starlord, to me Starlord is the best MPQ character of all-time, what does everyone else think?" everyone should agree that he's the best because it's my own personal opinion?
No one would point out the reality that Starlord is actually not that useful in a competitive environment?
And we all know who WOULD butt into the conversation and start screaming again about competitive environment even after he says he doesn't even play competitively any more! We know what gets you off, and we know you just have to do it in public.
All good. Your reality is your reality and I sincerely hope you enjoy it fully.
If you like Wanda, use Wanda. Let's see what the dominant meta looks like in a few months, after everyone unhoards for these 3 latest and tests them out.
I'd love to be wrong about them and I'd happily admit it if I am.0 -
HoundofShadow said:Is she top 10 in PvP? Yes, she is.
I can already beat anything I see in PvP with 460 Wanda and 460 Apocalypse. Her feedback damage gets significant with his boost, or obviously Okoye.
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HoundofShadow said:I have played a few matches against Wanda after her boost worn off. As a baby champed 5* player, I find her slightly irritating because she slows down offenses. Unless you stun her or get rid of her repeater and then spam your powers on the same turn, else you have to fire one power per turn and then spam your powers when you are confident that she will be downed. This also means you don't really want to bring anyone who deals passive damage every turn or create attack tiles somehow.
Edit: To be a little more useful, to beat 5*Wanda you want a team that hits like a truck but only once per round. The opposite of what you want with Okoye. I've found the theoretical Match damage meta to be the best choice against her. Colossus+America Chavez, for exemple. Despite Chavez having a passive attack, the conditions for it are within your control. And, in a pinch, Colossus' blue can burn out her Repeater.
Colossus + Prof X is good too, if you restrain yourself to making 4-matches ONLY when Wanda's Repeater would be included. When you have the AP, you can use X's blue to call Cyclops to destroy that row and then go to town.0 -
Anybody try Carbage/Morbius against her? Too slow/chippy?
I found a 47X Apocalypse/450 5Witch team in MODOK to try it against, and even with a 5/4/3 lvl 70 Morbius I was able to take them out.1 -
I just stun her with Polaris+BRB and down her before she can get back up. It's an easy win.The negative is I can't leave that defensive team out for very long or I get wrecked by Hulkoye teams. The positive is that Bill is usually the only character of mine who takes significant dmg (barring RNG shenanigans that favor the AI). So, I find I use fewer health packs than when I'm just hitting the highest Hulkoye teams over and over.1
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Not impressed. She goes down quick and easy. I will not be pulling for her.0
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killahKlown said:Not impressed. She goes down quick and easy. I will not be pulling for her.4
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I use her with Colossus quite a bit in PVP. I'm able to go after the Hulkoye teams with them and have 3 good go-to teams of Hulkoye, Colossus/Wanda and BRB/Kitty or Polaris.Also for me in PVP I'm now mostly seeing boosted 5s, BRB/Kitty and Wanda/Colossus teams. I don't see the Hulkoye teams too much in PVP anymore.0
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It's pretty interesting how fast boosted 5* changed the meta -- this was way back in May, and everything was still a wall of Okoye/Hulk.
I still don't think Wanda/Colossus is a good team (Wanda wants a power booster to do any real damage with her passive, and the defensive overlap between the two of them isn't necessary or helpful), but a lot of people pulled for them (and Knull) so they got used (but not Knull, ever).
I tend to target them when I see them just to remind people there's no safe "float team," but with boosted 5* I really almost never see them.1 -
entrailbucket said:It's pretty interesting how fast boosted 5* changed the meta -- this was way back in May, and everything was still a wall of Okoye/Hulk.
I still don't think Wanda/Colossus is a good team (Wanda wants a power booster to do any real damage with her passive, and the defensive overlap between the two of them isn't necessary or helpful), but a lot of people pulled for them (and Knull) so they got used (but not Knull, ever).
I tend to target them when I see them just to remind people there's no safe "float team," but with boosted 5* I really almost never see them.0 -
Yeah that’s great. But your incredibly obnoxious (and incorrect I might add) talk of Hulkoye being the top and nothing else matters turned out to be wrong. The meta changed. There’s more colossus and Wanda out than any team out there. You’re talking “theoretical”. The facts are there’s more colossus/Wanda teams out there than any other team in pick 2 and especially pick 3.It’s funny how people like to run their mouth about how “easy” it is to project top tier/meta and yet, more often than not, they’re wrong.4
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Tiger_Wong said:Yeah that’s great. But your incredibly obnoxious (and incorrect I might add) talk of Hulkoye being the top and nothing else matters turned out to be wrong. The meta changed. There’s more colossus and Wanda out than any team out there. You’re talking “theoretical”. The facts are there’s more colossus/Wanda teams out there than any other team in pick 2 and especially pick 3.It’s funny how people like to run their mouth about how “easy” it is to project top tier/meta and yet, more often than not, they’re wrong.
Boosted 5* are the meta now. I seriously do not ever see SW/Colossus. I mostly don't play pick-3 PvP because the rewards for shield sim are trash and everyone just runs their most annoying troll teams -- it's not worth anyone's time.
Anyway, there's a new meta now, and a new tier list. It goes:
1. Anybody boosted +100 levels that week....
Tied for last: Everyone else.2 -
entrailbucket said:
Anyway, there's a new meta now, and a new tier list. It goes:
1. Anybody boosted +100 levels that week....
Tied for last: Everyone else.2
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