***** Wolverine (Samurai Daken) *****

Isay_Isay

So we’ll now have as many 5* as we do 3* and no changes to ISO rewards as a whole?

coolcoolcoolcoolcoolcoolcoolcoolcool

Mr_F

bluewolf said:

pheregas said:

JHawkInc said:

Wouldn't have expected another Daken, or a 5-star version at that, but I like him better than the other two in the game, so he's got that going for him. 

Question: When did he kill Wolverine? Because we just had a big death and absence and return of Wolverine, but he wasn't killed by Daken for that, was he? The sword is supposed to bypass Logan's healing, but the recent death of Wolverine arc had him lose his healing factor and get suffocated by adamantium, or at least that's what I remembered.

Guess we'll find out in the epic "Introducing Old Man Daken" starting August 13th!

Spoiler (ish) alert:  This is a Demiurge original character, so looking to the comics for his backstory will get you nowhere.

Then he joins my list of "will never use unless essential" champions until he will get into comics. I do not play Marvel game to get "original or MCU-based" champions. I want characters straight from comics. Especially when we still are waiting for villains like Zemo, Red Skull, Omega Red or Wrecking Crew,

FYI list is short. It contains:

1. Mr. I, the player, dont know what to use  cause my characters powers change every round. A.K.A. Legion. Literally I have him champed and i used less boosted and weaker 3* in PVE cause of that. Plus his design is ugly.

2. Mr. Pointless in the "grab your own team" game. A.K.A Onslaught.

3. Mr. I kill myself. A.K.A. iHulk.

4. Mr. Stronger than God. A.K.A Bishop.

5. Mr. Bad design. A.K.A. 5* Kingpin (man, he is so ugly that I just cant stand him!).

Daredevil217

This is a very cool/interesting kit that is unfortunately marred by bad numbers (with the exception of match damage). 

- Healing starts low and recovers too little. 

- Ability costs are too high to keep up with the passive meta.

- Damage is too low. 

- Repeaters are too long. 

- Special tile reduction is minimal.

Such a waste of a well-designed kit. I hope I’m wrong/being too hard on him, because he seems like the kind of character I’d like. For those hoarding until the next great 5, they can probably skip him. 

Glockoma

Waddles_Pines said:

He looks like Old Man Bagwell... 

  

Borstock

The active part of his green is sneaky good. The passive is basically worthless except in very unique situations that seem out of the player's control.

The black is a weird one. Has 'Thorkoye teammate' written all over it.

The red is a very solid, but not broken, power set.

I like him. He's a counter-pick character, not a meta character, but that's fine. My next hoard pull could begin with him if the two that follow make for a good trio. I can live with that.

Seph1roth5

I would also like to know what the purple repeaters do other than exist?

Vhailorx

Seph1roth5 said:

I would also like to know what the purple repeaters do other than exist?

Thank you! I felt like I was reading a totally different power than everyone else. Maybe they apply the damage? If that is the case, he could eventually flood the board with repeaters a la Iceman, and put out serious damage on his own. but I think i might prefer them to proc immediately.

HoundofShadow

The repeater acts as a check for passive damage. 

When the repeater reaches 1, check the board for between *2 to 4 special tiles that are not OLS's repeaters. If there are 2 to 4 non-OLS repeaters, deal damage to the target. 

My interpretation  is that each repeater deals 6000 damage. This ability is going to be terrible if you have four of his repeater tiles but the total damage dealt is only 6000, instead of 24,000.

*Depends on build.

Vhailorx

HoundofShadow said:

The repeater acts as a check for passive damage. 

When the repeater reaches 1, check the board for between *2 to 4 special tiles that are not OLS's repeaters. If there are 2 to 4 non-OLS repeaters, deal damage to the target. 

My interpretation  is that each repeater deals 6000 damage. This ability is going to be terrible if you have four of his repeater tile but the total damage dealt is only 6000.

*Depends on build.

It is certainly plausible that the repeaters work that way.  But that is not how the description is written.

HoundofShadow

If Wolverine has more than 6 Black AP at the start of his turn, convert 3 Black AP to Red and create 2 2-turn Purple Repeater tiles. If there are 4 or more special tiles on the board when this tile activates, not including the Repeater tiles, deal 911 damage to the target. 

This tile can refer to only the repeater tiles created by OLS. 

Repeater tiles - Similar to Countdown tiles, but after the count reaches 0 and the effect is triggered, the tile remains on the board and the count resets.

I think trigger and activate has the same meaning in this context.

So, it should be when it reaches 0, it will check for special tiles and then deal damage if it meets the condition.

Vhailorx

bluewolf said:

pheregas said:

JHawkInc said:

Wouldn't have expected another Daken, or a 5-star version at that, but I like him better than the other two in the game, so he's got that going for him. 

Question: When did he kill Wolverine? Because we just had a big death and absence and return of Wolverine, but he wasn't killed by Daken for that, was he? The sword is supposed to bypass Logan's healing, but the recent death of Wolverine arc had him lose his healing factor and get suffocated by adamantium, or at least that's what I remembered.

Guess we'll find out in the epic "Introducing Old Man Daken" starting August 13th!

Spoiler (ish) alert:  This is a Demiurge original character, so looking to the comics for his backstory will get you nowhere.

EDIT:  Are people aware that Daken is of mixed racial heritage?  His mother was a Japanese woman that Logan married back in the 1940's when he was training in Japan.  Unfortunately she was murdered by the Winter Soldier while she was pregnant with Daken.

I mean, he is actually an Asian person, I'd say.  I realize race is a social construct and all that but why is his background an issue here?

I never had a big issue with Wolverine's Japan links as I found the idea of using their discipline mindset and training to control his wild side a compelling approach to his character.

The problem with the logan-in-japan is one of perspective.  It's a bit hard to summarize concisely (go read Edward said's "Orientalism" for a full treatment), but the quick and dirty expansion is that Japan is treated as an inherently exotic location full of ancient teachings and knowledge, but essentially static. And Logan (or here Daken) is there to delve its secrets and lay them bare to the (dynamic and vital) West.  It's a genre of western storytelling that goes back at least as far as Marco polo and has many pernicious side effects (intentional or not). 

Seph1roth5

Ahhh ok, yeah the wording was very strange,

bluewolf

Vhailorx said:

bluewolf said:

pheregas said:

JHawkInc said:

Wouldn't have expected another Daken, or a 5-star version at that, but I like him better than the other two in the game, so he's got that going for him. 

Question: When did he kill Wolverine? Because we just had a big death and absence and return of Wolverine, but he wasn't killed by Daken for that, was he? The sword is supposed to bypass Logan's healing, but the recent death of Wolverine arc had him lose his healing factor and get suffocated by adamantium, or at least that's what I remembered.

Guess we'll find out in the epic "Introducing Old Man Daken" starting August 13th!

Spoiler (ish) alert:  This is a Demiurge original character, so looking to the comics for his backstory will get you nowhere.

EDIT:  Are people aware that Daken is of mixed racial heritage?  His mother was a Japanese woman that Logan married back in the 1940's when he was training in Japan.  Unfortunately she was murdered by the Winter Soldier while she was pregnant with Daken.

I mean, he is actually an Asian person, I'd say.  I realize race is a social construct and all that but why is his background an issue here?

I never had a big issue with Wolverine's Japan links as I found the idea of using their discipline mindset and training to control his wild side a compelling approach to his character.

The problem with the logan-in-japan is one of perspective.  It's a bit hard to summarize concisely (go read Edward said's "Orientalism" for a full treatment), but the quick and dirty expansion is that Japan is treated as an inherently exotic location full of ancient teachings and knowledge, but essentially static. And Logan (or here Daken) is there to delve its secrets and lay them bare to the (dynamic and vital) West.  It's a genre of western storytelling that goes back at least as far as Marco polo and has many pernicious side effects (intentional or not). 

I mean I totally get that even positive stereotypes can be bad and problematic for people to live with, live up to, etc.

Anyway, I at least wanted to point out that Daken isn't just some white Canadian dude, so I guess I find the situation a bit different when he's got roots/connections/ancestral ties to the country.

hilsen2

Does this mean I'm not getting Hawkeye progression shards?

bluewolf

You will presumably miss some Latest’s shards in progression. Whoever is essential in HoD. Hopefully Killmonger....

Vhailorx

bluewolf said:

You will presumably miss some Latest’s shards in progression. Whoever is essential in HoD. Hopefully Killmonger....

Skipping apoc again?! Grrrrrrr!

HoundofShadow

I might team him up with half health Thor and Domino just for the kick of spamming his repeater tiles on the board, if only his repeater tile deals 6000 damage each. 

Bad

I think its the perfect partner for Ihulk, giving him red and healing his burning frienship. And he can cure himself a lot. Just that makes him a good option for Ihulk users although this point will be cheked on his introducing. 
Or he can use the red for screwing kitty teams. 
About racist themes scientifics proved that the virus is originated from the animals.

Heartbreaksoup

Vhailorx said:

The problem with the logan-in-japan is one of perspective.  It's a bit hard to summarize concisely (go read Edward said's "Orientalism" for a full treatment), but the quick and dirty expansion is that Japan is treated as an inherently exotic location full of ancient teachings and knowledge, but essentially static. And Logan (or here Daken) is there to delve its secrets and lay them bare to the (dynamic and vital) West.  It's a genre of western storytelling that goes back at least as far as Marco polo and has many pernicious side effects (intentional or not). 

I think it is a fascinating topic, but I'd suggest that the danger in applying Said's view to Marvel Japan is that Claremont and Cockrum and Miller and Byrne's X-Men world is one where every other nation - and its single super-powered representative character - is a stereotype.  I mean, look at Banshee, smoking pipes and reciting limericks and drinking stout and being called "Banshee," for heaven's sake.

I agree with you more than this note may suggest, but while it's true that the Tourist Japan of cherry blossoms, temples, samurai and ninjas doesn't really exist outside of pop culture and stereotype, it made perfect sense for that to be the Japan where Logan spent decades training, because it's the same era of comics that gave us Storm and Thunderbird and Black Forest gypsy orphan Nightcrawler and random-Russian-word Colossus, whose mighty steel exterior masks a frightened and timid heart, and so on.  It's all stereotype, none more pernicious than any other.

Anon

I'm curious about the active Green. So it does 9k at 5 covers at 450. Say Okoye or Gritty boosts it up to 20k. Is that 20k permanently removed from the opponents health? If so that's kinda dirty. Anti Hulk, Okoye, Doom.