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  • bluewolfbluewolf Posts: 4,910 Chairperson of the Boards
    supergarv said:
    The T20 aliances should get together and pick an event where nobody plays.

    surely there‘ll be an event with 5* wasp shards and Northstar plus Dazzler covers, that‘ll be ideal so all players can get aboard.

    There are three ways to get the developers (or rather, the publisher, who’s
    much more important to get attention from) to react:

    - Bad android/ios store ratings

    - Reduced spending

    - Players not playing

    we have learnt by now, any sort of asking for communication never yields feedback. You all (inclusing myself) do know the definition of insanity, right.
    I hate to break it to you, but if 400 players stopped playing PVE for some reason (although they'd probably still play PVP, but let's assume they did both) then the next 400 down among the 18K or so players in SCLs 9 & 10 would just place better than usual and the devs would probably not even really notice.

    You know why everyone got up in arms about Shardpocalypse?  Every person who had a developed roster had an expectation that they would be rewarded things based on what they had already achieved (a Cyclops at L340 or whatever) and when they were told "nope, not getting that" it felt profoundly unfair.

    Anyway nothing they are doing lately is quite to that level.  Even the (apparently) new PVP reward requirements were adjusting future events as they rolled in. Nothing can be truly pointed to as "unfair".  SCL10 requires lots of playtime?  I suppose that makes sense, since you get half a 5 in there.  Faster 5* release schedule?  Well, ok....they are giving us half a 5 every few days.......

    However, with SCL10 and the relentless release schedule I think the devs have introduced a system which is leading to a lot of burned-out vets due to the higher play requirements.

    Maybe I'm wrong....however, it seems like I'm hearing about a lot of retirements lately in various places (including my alliance family).  Maybe some of those people took your last line to heart and realized that nothing was going to really change (wise people) and are cutting the ties that have bound them.
  • 111MCH111111MCH111 Posts: 89 Match Maker
    I have a different opinion, more positive.
    A few changes have been made to the game for the better!

    Shards, bonus shards and SCL10 make me enjoying the game better. I am a modest player with rl, so sometimes I don’t have the time to complete 40-50% of PVE, which is needed for the lvl 4 cover at SCL9. I am at day 1227 with S.H.E.L.D. rank 126.
    Since the introduction of SCL10 it is much quicker to get a reward, although the team does not always survive PVE 550+. 

    My core team (and ♥️)  is 5* Kitty lvl 450, 4* Jugs lvl280, 4* R4G lvl288. 
    Using 3* Magneto as shard feeder for 4* Juggs to get lvl quickly. 
    Ofcourse I spend a few hundred Euros in this game to get my Kitty/Juggs/R4G team. But all other HP and money was used to obtain 200 char roster.

    I am addicted to the Pokémon effect. I must have each character: 1️⃣first 1 cover, 2️⃣ then 3 different covers, 3️⃣ finally all champions. This will take a few more years....😜

    The high 4* character release rate is annoying, but can be managed.
    For five star I have a simple strategy. Only go for goal 1️⃣. 
    Latest Legend Vault: LT drawing until a 5* has been drawn and then ✋.
    Tomorrow you might be lucky 🍀 again.

    New 5* Release 1:250 or 1:167 draw rate 😆 😂. Don’t use those vaults.
    wait for a new Latest Legend Vault: then LT drawing until a 5* has been drawn and then ✋

    ENJOY MPQ!
  • wymtimewymtime Posts: 3,472 Chairperson of the Boards
    Here is an update from my hoard.  I pulled 381 times when IHulk went into packs.  Now that strange sights is over I currently have 1550 CP and 48 LT for a total of 110 pulls.  Now a huge chunk of that was from champ rewards from my initial pull.  I am still in great position to hoard till Havok leaves LT and be able to champion Yelena and the next 5*.

    overall I understand the OP feeling demoralized with new release 5* and how quickly they are being released.  I do feel it is till possible to cover each 5* and I do wish they would go to a release schedule of every 3 weeks instead of 2.
  • VhailorxVhailorx Posts: 5,060 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 26 April 2020, 23:30
    wymtime said:
    Here is an update from my hoard.  I pulled 381 times when IHulk went into packs.  Now that strange sights is over I currently have 1550 CP and 48 LT for a total of 110 pulls.  Now a huge chunk of that was from champ rewards from my initial pull.  I am still in great position to hoard till Havok leaves LT and be able to champion Yelena and the next 5*.

    overall I understand the OP feeling demoralized with new release 5* and how quickly they are being released.  I do feel it is till possible to cover each 5* and I do wish they would go to a release schedule of every 3 weeks instead of 2.
    I think the debate is less about whether it is actually possible, and more about the level of play required to do it.  Hypothetically, if you have to grind top 10 in cl10 pve and pvp (and be in a top alliance too) to keep pace with the 5* schedule, then: (1) that takes a huge time commitment, something like 20-30 hours per week on an inflexible schedule; and (2) there is a pretty hard cap on the number of people that could possibly achieve that level of reward because there just aren't enough slices/slots to go 'round. So the fact that it can be done is little comfort to just about all players.

    Just speculating based on my own experience in cl10 so far, I think the actual level is something like reliably being in the top 50-100 range, but even that is a very high bar. And the price of falling behind is very high, as there are very few ways to reliably cover a classic 5* unless you have 8-10 covers by the time they leave the latest pool.
  • CT1888CT1888 Posts: 1,201 Chairperson of the Boards
    Fwiw, I play pve to progression in CL10, was playing pvp to 1000 (usually in CL9), don't spend and I currently have Sinister at 4/6/2, havok at 1/4/1 and Hulk at 2/1/0, all from pulling as I go. 
    In theory, I should be able to cover them while in latest at the 4 week release rate, but it's back to being at the whims of RNGesus.
    Is also a bit dependant on the pvp cp as well, as 1200 normally takes more hours and time for me, and CL10 has taken time away from pvp (the only reason I played any of shield sim is because dp vs mpq is 48hr, so I could ignore it this morning and run from 100 to 1600 instead). If I lose that, I probably lose champing then in latest, which will demoralise me. 
  • wymtimewymtime Posts: 3,472 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 27 April 2020, 12:19
    Vhailorx said:
    wymtime said:
    Here is an update from my hoard.  I pulled 381 times when IHulk went into packs.  Now that strange sights is over I currently have 1550 CP and 48 LT for a total of 110 pulls.  Now a huge chunk of that was from champ rewards from my initial pull.  I am still in great position to hoard till Havok leaves LT and be able to champion Yelena and the next 5*.

    overall I understand the OP feeling demoralized with new release 5* and how quickly they are being released.  I do feel it is till possible to cover each 5* and I do wish they would go to a release schedule of every 3 weeks instead of 2.
    I think the debate is less about whether it is actually possible, and more about the level of play required to do it.  Hypothetically, if you have to grind top 10 in cl10 pve and pvp (and be in a top alliance too) to keep pace with the 5* schedule, then: (1) that takes a huge time commitment, something like 20-30 hours per week on an inflexible schedule; and (2) there is a pretty hard cap on the number of people that could possibly achieve that level of reward because there just aren't enough slices/slots to go 'round. So the fact that it can be done is little comfort to just about all players.

    Just speculating based on my own experience in cl10 so far, I think the actual level is something like reliably being in the top 50-100 range, but even that is a very high bar. And the price of falling behind is very high, as there are very few ways to reliably cover a classic 5* unless you have 8-10 covers by the time they leave the latest pool.
    So I am typically top 20 to top 50 in PVE and top 25 or top 50 in PVP depending on how high PVP goes.  

    For time played I think CL10 PVE in general is the killer for time played.  In order to do place in CL10 it is 2 hours + per day and they have to be in a row.  CL9 is more like 1 hour and 15 min to play which is not as bad if you want to place in an event.  I also know players who can play CL9 PVE and place and have play time be under 1 hr.

    my post was to also show how quickly you can accumulate LT pulls within the game.  Another example is with season end and PVE/PVP end I added another 7 pulls.  I was 178th for the season and top 50 for PVP so I am not a player going for 2k points per PVP event.

    Lastly I was focusing on Latest not classics.  For the players who want to pull from classics and cover them I do not see a way to reliable cover them other than having one as your only shard. I don’t feel pulling classics is valuable enough unless you are building your 4* roster.
  • wymtimewymtime Posts: 3,472 Chairperson of the Boards
    pheregas said:
    Update:

    Between the new store and a couple lucky Peggy pulls, I'm done with my final goal of champing FA-Cap.

    I'm going to stick around playing CL8 at the highest for now and see if I can maintain the new release schedule.  Probably done with competitive PVE entirely.   

    I know it's just random, but it really feels like the game is trolling me giving out FA-Cap rewards for the next PVE.
    Lol this cap is one of 2 5* i do not have champed.  I only need one more cover and currently have 161 out of 500 shards for him.
  • bluewolfbluewolf Posts: 4,910 Chairperson of the Boards
    I just champed Cap FA on March 31. Today I champed IM46, who was the last Classic for me. And now I consider the future.....
  • DarthDeVoDarthDeVo Posts: 2,153 Chairperson of the Boards
    I'm hoping to be done with my Classic 5*s by the end of the year. Just need 9 Jubilee covers to finish Phoenix and 4 Blonde Widow covers + the purple cover I'll get from Daily Resupply in 84 days to finish BW.

    Then it's a loooooooong row to hoe to finish my 3/2/3 Level 375 Doc Ock with 292/500 shards. 4* Carnage is only at 331, so it'll take a bit to drag him up to 360. I'm hoping he's featured in a 5* release store at some point. That could make a huge difference towards getting him finished by the end of the year. 
  • VhailorxVhailorx Posts: 5,060 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 4 May 2020, 18:04
    Just a quick update from me:

    Since the pvp prog rewards changes have been live (and unannounced), I have played just 1 pve to prog (for Yelena shards).  Everything else has been a hard skip or a late bracket poach.  + Ddq.  No pvp at all.  The break has been awesome.  No regrets in the short term and no plan to ramp back up; maybe over time I will regain interest in the grind. But I suspect I will truly quit when casual play no longer provides enough HP to roster the new releases.

    So overall still demoralized (at least re: playing/making progress in mpq).
  • pheregaspheregas Posts: 1,561 Chairperson of the Boards

    "Hoarded for the past couple weeks. Blew my CP and LTs to finish off Sinister and now back to hoarding mode.

    5 covers for Havok.
    3 covers for iHulk."


    The above was copy/pasted from my original post just about a month ago.  I pulled as I went about a week after that, then I hoarded most CP (I gave up on the apocalypse store after around 200 cp after failing to get him) and Latest in that time and cashed them in just a few minutes ago.  FWIW, I hate hoarding.  Always have.  Always will.

    Of today's pulls, 59 total pulls and only 7 x 5*s.  One of which was Havok.  That's 11.8%.  My overall average after around 800 pulls is close to 12%.  I'm not sure I'll keep track ever again.

    So Havok is now up to 9 covers.  9.   Immortal Hulk is 1/2/4 and Yelena is now 2/0/3.

    After successfully champing every single 5* in Latest over the last couple years and having all classic 5*s now champed, it looks like that run is about to come to an end.

    As the last enjoyment I got out of this game was the ability to keep up with 5* releases, the clock is now officially ticking.  No feeders in months, despite the hellish increased 5* release rate and drops in CP.  That may have mitigated my disgruntledness if I knew I could get a few covers that way.  I'm now up to 278 roster slots.  The magic 300 is closer than ever.  I can barely keep up HP to roster dupe 4s as it is.

    So I guess I have two weeks to somehow magic up 4 non-duplicate havok covers.    2,266 days and I feel like the managers at my job are forcing me into retirement after years of dedicated service without a single vacation.

    I'll update in two weeks when I inevitably fail to pull my 4 remaining havok covers.

    It's been fun guys.  We'll see what happens by June 1st, but I am not hopeful at all.

  • JexyJexy Posts: 39 Just Dropped In
    RIP    
  • helix72helix72 Posts: 524 Critical Contributor
    pheregas said:

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      I'm now up to 278 roster slots.  The magic 300 is closer than ever.


    Sorry if this is a noob question, but...what happens when you hit 300 roster slots? Price increase? Slot cap? Self-imposed app deletion?
  • pheregaspheregas Posts: 1,561 Chairperson of the Boards
    helix72 said:
    pheregas said:

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      I'm now up to 278 roster slots.  The magic 300 is closer than ever.


    Sorry if this is a noob question, but...what happens when you hit 300 roster slots? Price increase? Slot cap? Self-imposed app deletion?
    Roster slots max out at some point (citation needed) at 1,000 HP.  After 300, it goes up to 2,000 HP per roster slot.
  • bluewolfbluewolf Posts: 4,910 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 18 May 2020, 17:57
    helix72 said:
    pheregas said:

    ...

      I'm now up to 278 roster slots.  The magic 300 is closer than ever.


    Sorry if this is a noob question, but...what happens when you hit 300 roster slots? Price increase? Slot cap? Self-imposed app deletion?
    2000 HP per slot.  I'm at 292.

     :'( 
  • grenadiergrenadier Posts: 99 Match Maker
    Seems like a poor decision that needs fixing, especially considering the ever ballooning roster of characters in the game.
  • DogfaceDogface Posts: 714 Critical Contributor
    grenadier said:
    Seems like a poor decision that needs fixing, especially considering the ever ballooning roster of characters in the game.
    It's sufficient to roster all characters. However if you're intent on farming, you'll easily pass 300. That's the prize you pay for farming, but you can offset that against all the perks farming brings.
  • Daredevil217Daredevil217 Posts: 2,894 Chairperson of the Boards
    346 slots for me. I’m managing well as a 2 dollar a month player. But I don’t play the shield hop game or splurge much on vaults. 
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