Prodigal Sun, Episode 4.5

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  • atomzed
    atomzed Posts: 1,753 Chairperson of the Boards
    ZeiramMR wrote:
    Hell's Kitchen? Bet we've got some Daredevil plus S.H.I.E.L.D. Minions nodes coming. (Washington is probably Steve Rogers if I had to guess)

    I played the first node for hells kitchen, and indeed DD is the key character. He appeared even before the mayhem meter is filled!
  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards
    Points for starting nodes seem to be double than the last subs, so I'm guessing rubberbanding will be stronger.
    Crept up to 26 in my main, still wayyyyy off the leader, but only 500 or so behind top 20.
    So I should land comfortably in the two cover zone, which is nice.
  • Unknown
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    sms4002 wrote:
    Ok, can someone explain this ridiculous event for me?!? I joined both subs around 14:30 -14 hours left. (around 7pm my time) Did one of each node plus maybe 2 times of each high point node. then left it till now (3am) because I am not setting up an alarm for 8 am to do all these an hour before the end. How in the hell do these guys have so many more points than me?!?! my highest point missions are only ~120 points each. If the refresh is 12 hours how does this guy have 3000 points? I joined at 14 hours so there is no way he could have gotten an extra refresh in right? I am only 29th in main after making all my pushes before the subs end and I have a feeling when I wake up I will be in even worse shape. It makes no sense. Can someone explain this to me? I recognize a lot of names at the top here, what did you guys do to get so many points? I am going to miss out on sentry because of this tinykitty.

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    Yeah, that was all one play through for me in Wakada (complete/optimal clear). I joined with about 16-17 hours left and ground them down to 1. Only ended up ~5th or so after only being able to clear them twice this morning.
  • Unknown
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    Hmm, I only scored Top200 in both subs, but the new sub has already lv 106 starting goons for me in Hells Kitchen, whereas the easier is at lv34?! So scaling is quite strong for me even with no grinding at all icon_e_sad.gif
  • Unknown
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    Bowgentle wrote:
    Points for starting nodes seem to be double than the last subs, so I'm guessing rubberbanding will be stronger.
    Crept up to 26 in my main, still wayyyyy off the leader, but only 500 or so behind top 20.
    So I should land comfortably in the two cover zone, which is nice.

    The essential points have not double. in Easy mode 135 has increased to 155 and Hard mode the highest ones drop from 277 to 274. However there should easier be 10K between the two of them over the next two day so Daken progression I am coming to get you.
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    ok so i got two more coins and got thor i didnt need and classic storms blue to fix her up (which I needed to since i had 5/4/4) so now lets hope i get two more tokens

    Seems like hells kitchen for me is high leveled so far until the scaling or what not increases.

    Good thing I got lukcy and got two daken covers before but sadly its only his healing.

    pushing to get 45000 is going to be hard when I want to work on shield season two at the same time.
  • Unknown
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    Daredevil took out Magneto on my first Magnetic Field combo, and he also took out Thor on a Thunder Strike. I've been getting good luck versus Daredevil in the past when he showed up in the Simulator, so I guess I'm due for some bad luck.

    Sentry says he looked up to Daredevil, so right there we know he's definitely crazy.

    It seems like the mayhem missions rubberband? Or it can just be a discrepency between reported and claimed value again. I certainly didn't have time to collect any data given how short they're open for.
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    What are the chances that we will get this event again as a heroic event with limited roster?
  • Unknown
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    miucat wrote:
    Carthl wrote:
    Uff. Read the last 5 or so pages. The people before you grinded, probably for two refreshes. If you want to catch up, put in the same amount of work and grind those nodes down. Man, I'm so tired of people complaining about not getting the same rewards as people who put in more work. More play = higher totals points. It's working as it should, ffs.

    Being in place 29 of 1000 after starting later than others is pretty damn good. If you were in 290, I could maybe understand the complaining, but 29? give me a break. They completely spoiled players with that rubber banding **** and I really hope they don't listen to the whining now.
    I believe the complaint is not so much about how people who grind more are winning but that rubberbanding rules keep changing with each sub within one pve event. If you couple grind every refresh with level 400 scaling, this is a recipe for disaster for many people.

    While I admit I didn't read any of the previous pages because I was tired and pissed, Miucat hit the nail on the head. It's pretty ridiculous how literally EVERY PVE event before this I could save the sub till the last refresh and then join up and rubberband back into top contention, only grinding the essentials. Yet with this event, I do that and somehow can't even hold top 50 in the subs. If they want to change it back to the first hulk event where its just a straight grind, let them. But at least tell us first so we know we have to grind it down to 1 everytime just to stand a chance. Enjoy your level 400 scaled enemies though Carthl!
  • morgh
    morgh Posts: 539 Critical Contributor
    Meh... since my Hell's Kitchen now starts at 198, I will be doing only 2 last refreshes or I will scale myself into unplayable area on the last sub-sets
  • scottee
    scottee Posts: 1,610 Chairperson of the Boards
    It makes more sense for them NOT to publish the rubberbanding guidelines each time they change them. People should be able to swoop in at the last minute, play minimally, and pass those who've played way more? Riiiight...
  • reckless442
    reckless442 Posts: 532 Critical Contributor
    scottee wrote:
    It makes more sense for them NOT to publish the rubberbanding guidelines each time they change them. People should be able to swoop in at the last minute, play minimally, and pass those who've played way more? Riiiight...
    Except the devs have said that they do not want to force people to grind, which is why they put in rubberbanding and insane scaling into effect in the first place. So we all adjusted to that. Now we are being told, no, grinding is good -- except you will still face insane scaling.

    My opening node in Hell's Kitchen is 215. I'm 6th in my main bracket, but behind Keithz by 6000 points. I haven't been grinding significantly, but I'm suffering from: (1) not taking much damage; and (2) the after-effects of the screw-up from the last Heroic, where the points were resent after my bracket started, and the only way to remain close to the leaders was to grind. My scaling at the time was not high enough to get the benefit of the devs decision to reset people with high scaling either, so I got the short-end of both resets.
  • Unknown
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    reckless442 wrote:
    scottee wrote:
    It makes more sense for them NOT to publish the rubberbanding guidelines each time they change them. People should be able to swoop in at the last minute, play minimally, and pass those who've played way more? Riiiight...
    Except the devs have said that they do not want to force people to grind, which is why they put in rubberbanding and insane scaling into effect in the first place. So we all adjusted to that. Now we are being told, no, grinding is good -- except you will still face insane scaling.

    My opening node in Hell's Kitchen is 215. I'm 6th in my main bracket, but behind Keithz by 6000 points. I haven't been grinding significantly, but I'm suffering from: (1) not taking much damage; and (2) the after-effects of the screw-up from the last Heroic, where the points were resent after my bracket started, and the only way to remain close to the leaders was to grind. My scaling at the time was not high enough to get the benefit of the devs decision to reset people with high scaling either, so I got the short-end of both resets.

    My opening node in Hell's Kitchen is level 291 and I'm in 2nd place overall with a 2K lead over #3 and about 500 behind #1. Now it's obviously impossible to generalize anything based on this but I have higher placement and higher enemies so it looks like the general idea works. Now is this worth it, I have no idea, though I'm not shooting for top 2 anyway so if it doesn't work out it's okay for me too.

    Now if I actually cared about getting top 2 I wouldn't tell you that my opening node is 291 because I want the guy at #3 to think I can still do these with ease, and then he'd be sufficiently discouraged at being behind for 2000 and gave up, and then I have to do a lot less missions to keep my lead. I suspect the guy leading by 6K has pretty nasty grinding too, but you're sufficiently discouraged by that initial lead that he is unlikely to be tested for the rest of the event. The top placements in PvE is now more mind game than effort. Nobody can truly grind nonstop unless there's some kind of exploit or bug, but you want to project a score that makes your opponent think you can eat level 395 nodes for breakfast, even though nobody can do that.
  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards
    reckless442 wrote:
    scottee wrote:
    It makes more sense for them NOT to publish the rubberbanding guidelines each time they change them. People should be able to swoop in at the last minute, play minimally, and pass those who've played way more? Riiiight...
    Except the devs have said that they do not want to force people to grind, which is why they put in rubberbanding and insane scaling into effect in the first place. So we all adjusted to that. Now we are being told, no, grinding is good -- except you will still face insane scaling.

    My opening node in Hell's Kitchen is 215. I'm 6th in my main bracket, but behind Keithz by 6000 points. I haven't been grinding significantly, but I'm suffering from: (1) not taking much damage; and (2) the after-effects of the screw-up from the last Heroic, where the points were resent after my bracket started, and the only way to remain close to the leaders was to grind. My scaling at the time was not high enough to get the benefit of the devs decision to reset people with high scaling either, so I got the short-end of both resets.
    Maybe you should really just play for top 20 once?
    You keep saying that your scaling is insane, yet you always win your PVEs or at least top 5 them, when top 20 will get you the same effect. Maybe really take it easier the first 7 days or so?
    For comparison's sake, how many points do you have?
  • morgh
    morgh Posts: 539 Critical Contributor
    Aiming at top 20, am now at #10 and have 33k points which is 2.8 k behind number 1 - and as I said my starting Hell's Kitchen node is 198. Still a bit too much to my liking since I did only 1-2 refreshes each sub-bracket, however I've been too successful in my latest clears and took close to zero damage in too many fights so I guess that's just my fault icon_e_wink.gif
  • Arogntbastrd
    Arogntbastrd Posts: 1,009 Chairperson of the Boards
    Bowgentle wrote:
    reckless442 wrote:
    scottee wrote:
    It makes more sense for them NOT to publish the rubberbanding guidelines each time they change them. People should be able to swoop in at the last minute, play minimally, and pass those who've played way more? Riiiight...
    Except the devs have said that they do not want to force people to grind, which is why they put in rubberbanding and insane scaling into effect in the first place. So we all adjusted to that. Now we are being told, no, grinding is good -- except you will still face insane scaling.

    My opening node in Hell's Kitchen is 215. I'm 6th in my main bracket, but behind Keithz by 6000 points. I haven't been grinding significantly, but I'm suffering from: (1) not taking much damage; and (2) the after-effects of the screw-up from the last Heroic, where the points were resent after my bracket started, and the only way to remain close to the leaders was to grind. My scaling at the time was not high enough to get the benefit of the devs decision to reset people with high scaling either, so I got the short-end of both resets.
    Maybe you should really just play for top 20 once?
    You keep saying that your scaling is insane, yet you always win your PVEs or at least top 5 them, when top 20 will get you the same effect. Maybe really take it easier the first 7 days or so?
    For comparison's sake, how many points do you have?

    You still don't get it do you. Reckless wins events. It's what she does. It's ALL SHE DOES! You can't stop her

    Listen! And understand! Reckless is out there. She can't be bargained with! She can't be reasoned with! She doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And she absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!
  • Unknown
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    scottee wrote:
    It makes more sense for them NOT to publish the rubberbanding guidelines each time they change them. People should be able to swoop in at the last minute, play minimally, and pass those who've played way more? Riiiight...

    Because it should just be a total crapshoot who wins because it's all just on luck? This is like that last event where there were no set end times so you had no way of planning your refreshes. It just came down to luck if you got another refresh in time or got screwed randomly. They need to stick with one system and tell us what it is.
  • Unknown
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    Arogntbastrd wrote:
    Bowgentle wrote:
    reckless442 wrote:
    scottee wrote:
    It makes more sense for them NOT to publish the rubberbanding guidelines each time they change them. People should be able to swoop in at the last minute, play minimally, and pass those who've played way more? Riiiight...
    Except the devs have said that they do not want to force people to grind, which is why they put in rubberbanding and insane scaling into effect in the first place. So we all adjusted to that. Now we are being told, no, grinding is good -- except you will still face insane scaling.

    My opening node in Hell's Kitchen is 215. I'm 6th in my main bracket, but behind Keithz by 6000 points. I haven't been grinding significantly, but I'm suffering from: (1) not taking much damage; and (2) the after-effects of the screw-up from the last Heroic, where the points were resent after my bracket started, and the only way to remain close to the leaders was to grind. My scaling at the time was not high enough to get the benefit of the devs decision to reset people with high scaling either, so I got the short-end of both resets.
    Maybe you should really just play for top 20 once?
    You keep saying that your scaling is insane, yet you always win your PVEs or at least top 5 them, when top 20 will get you the same effect. Maybe really take it easier the first 7 days or so?
    For comparison's sake, how many points do you have?

    You still don't get it do you. Reckless wins events. It's what she does. It's ALL SHE DOES! You can't stop her

    Listen! And understand! Reckless is out there. She can't be bargained with! She can't be reasoned with! She doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And she absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!

    haha now that you have summoned her..(I picture it like if you say her name 3 times she appears, and quickly hits you in PVP icon_lol.gif ) Reckless, what happened to Beezer?? I saw he wasn't in your alliance for the last PVP!
  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards
    sms4002 wrote:
    scottee wrote:
    It makes more sense for them NOT to publish the rubberbanding guidelines each time they change them. People should be able to swoop in at the last minute, play minimally, and pass those who've played way more? Riiiight...

    Because it should just be a total crapshoot who wins because it's all just on luck? This is like that last event where there were no set end times so you had no way of planning your refreshes. It just came down to luck if you got another refresh in time or got screwed randomly. They need to stick with one system and tell us what it is.
    If they don't want people to game the system, then they're doing exactly the right thing in shaking things up and keeping people in the dark.
    And honestly, after the points didn't get higher after 10 hours it was clear you'd have to play more to keep up.
    But to force people to play more and still keep scaling is pretty nasty.
  • reckless442
    reckless442 Posts: 532 Critical Contributor
    Bowgentle wrote:
    reckless442 wrote:
    scottee wrote:
    It makes more sense for them NOT to publish the rubberbanding guidelines each time they change them. People should be able to swoop in at the last minute, play minimally, and pass those who've played way more? Riiiight...
    Except the devs have said that they do not want to force people to grind, which is why they put in rubberbanding and insane scaling into effect in the first place. So we all adjusted to that. Now we are being told, no, grinding is good -- except you will still face insane scaling.

    My opening node in Hell's Kitchen is 215. I'm 6th in my main bracket, but behind Keithz by 6000 points. I haven't been grinding significantly, but I'm suffering from: (1) not taking much damage; and (2) the after-effects of the screw-up from the last Heroic, where the points were resent after my bracket started, and the only way to remain close to the leaders was to grind. My scaling at the time was not high enough to get the benefit of the devs decision to reset people with high scaling either, so I got the short-end of both resets.
    Maybe you should really just play for top 20 once?
    You keep saying that your scaling is insane, yet you always win your PVEs or at least top 5 them, when top 20 will get you the same effect. Maybe really take it easier the first 7 days or so?
    For comparison's sake, how many points do you have?
    I actually haven't won a PVE in awhile. I got a surprise top-2 in Oscorp Heroic due to the last-node rubberbanding and settled for top-20 in Simulator to control my scaling. For the most part, I've been aiming for top-10 in one sub and top-50 in another (as I did today). My scaling in Oscopr Heroic was actually decent to start. That actually hurt me in the long-run, because people who started with crazy scaling got their levels reduced. One of my alliance mates had his hardest node reduced from 395 to 120. Meanwhile, I was at 140 for that node, stayed there, and had no choice but to grind -- because that is what IceIX told us we should do to make up the difference in the brackets that had the points reset mid-stream. I would have gladly settled for top-30 in that event, but with the craziness of that event, I was completely uncertain of what score would be necessary to secure top-30. There really was no reasonable way to stop in the last hour of the event and say, I'm assured of top-30, when you didn't know how many other players were grinding and could pass you at any minute. (Scrolling bracket leaderboards would really help with that.)

    Also, with the way rubberbanding works now, we are not getting one or two nodes worth several thousand points, but nodes worth a few hundred points that don't reduce as much. So to make up ground, you have to replay those nodes multiple times. So you are going to get scaling regardless.

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