Boycott HoR

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  • Sarahschmara
    Sarahschmara Posts: 554 Critical Contributor
    Apologies, I was mistaken! Thank you for clarifying @bken1234.

    And, yes, I think the roles you and I play are very similar; we’re both very passionate about helping streamline the experience for both old and new players although we may not always agree on the best way to do so. 
  • DumasAG
    DumasAG Posts: 719 Critical Contributor
    Well this really spiraled.

    My original post was more-so to do with the title of this thread, because boycotting a mid-week legacy event by not playing doesn't actually do anything. This thread now appears to be a discussion on the worthiness of the rewards (prizes? booty?). I remember a thread a while back discussing the merit of player time as a resource, and whether that invested resource should garner equal reward returns. I don't remember that discussion leading to anything positive or constructive - it doesn't appear to be headed in a better direction now. However, it might be a worthy conversation to have if it can be guided along in a constructive manner. Maybe @Volrak can equate player time to money spent somehow? He is a wizard, after all.

    @Mburn7 posted a good recap of the complaints which have sprung up in this thread. It has me thinking that maybe, as a community, we ought to come up with a current list of our 10 top priorities to make the game worthy of our invested resources (money and time). 

    I would like to say something which I'm beginning to think might be an unpopular opinion. I _like_ getting legacy rewards. I feel that we currently get a significant amount of rewards from dailies and other events that improve our standard collections, why not give some love to the legacy stuff? I don't think rewards/prizes/booty _need_ to be increased. At the same time, I don't believe in turning down free stuff so I'd love to see legacy event rewards buffed to match current events (free random legacy mythic, anyone? I only have 90+ I need to craft...). Basically, I won't say no to a chance to get my hands on old cards I've never had. I want a chance to do janky things with a bunch of old stuff. With the speed at which cards are released, and the value inherent in purchasing standard product, I know I'll never sink resources into legacy stuff. The only way I get my hands on legacy cards anymore are through rewards. To that end, I'm happy to have legacy rewards even when the event is standard only... as long as there is balance in when these rewards are handed out. We have so few large legacy events anymore that we need to have some opportunities to win those old cards during standard events _in my opinion_. 
  • Gunmix25
    Gunmix25 Posts: 1,442 Chairperson of the Boards
    babar3355 said:

    As players who have invested countless financial and time resources into the game, we should just quit playing rather than raising our concerns to the developers?

    This is all fine and good, but the opposite holds true too ... So, when have you taken the time to create a thread and praised them for their hard work? Negative reinforcement isn't the way to go, IMHO
  • Sarahschmara
    Sarahschmara Posts: 554 Critical Contributor
    Gunmix25 said:
    babar3355 said:

    As players who have invested countless financial and time resources into the game, we should just quit playing rather than raising our concerns to the developers?

    This is all fine and good, but the opposite holds true too ... So, when have you taken the time to create a thread and praised them for their hard work? Negative reinforcement isn't the way to go, IMHO
    I think you may be confused about which thread we’re currently on. If you would like to create a thread praising them for their hard work, please feel encouraged to do so. If the negative threads generate more discussion and engagement than the positive ones do, that is certainly something that should be considered. 

    All of us commenting here love this game and want it to succeed. I think it’s possible to say “I like this thing as a whole but these are some specific things I dislike,” don’t you?
  • James13
    James13 Posts: 665 Critical Contributor
    I think it's time this thread was closed considering how far afield it is and devolved (intentionally or not) into personally directed chatter.
  • Brigby
    Brigby ADMINISTRATORS Posts: 7,757 Site Admin
    edited August 2018
    *Please keep all comments civil, constructive, and on the topic of whether you are supporting a boycott of Hour of Revelation or not.

    In addition, if you wish to discuss what is an appropriate ratio of time versus reward, then please start a new discussion around that topic. Thank you!
  • bk1234
    bk1234 Posts: 2,924 Chairperson of the Boards
    Brigby said:
    *Please keep all comments civil, constructive, and on the topic of whether you are supporting a boycott of Hour of Revelation or not.

    [MOD MIC ON] Just a reminder. If I have to give another, I will close this thread. [MOD MIC OFF]
  • Sarahschmara
    Sarahschmara Posts: 554 Critical Contributor
    As an aside, I think it’s unfair that people can go back and edit their comments and have those edits show up in the quotes. 

    While I, myself, often take advantage of the editing feature (and I’m very grateful for it as autocorrect often makes me look like an imbecile!) it results in responses that don’t match up to the original quote that one is responding to and that feels wrong. @Brigby
  • Brakkis
    Brakkis Posts: 777 Critical Contributor
    HarryMason said:
     I just find this thread to be somewhat indicative of the way this community functions. We want more content. We ask and ask for it. Every time we get said content, it isn't good enough . Why does it have to be a coalition event? I ain't got time for that! I hate this event you gave us, it's so loooong !

    These are valid feelings , but the complaints don't seem to be terribly effective. Just like hibernum, oktagon seems to largely disregard us. Garbage practice, for sure , but not really a surprise . I'd probably ignore us, too. We seem impossible to please . We're magic players . It's how we roll.

    Perhaps we need to get a gauge for each other's expectations, because they appear to be wildly different. I certainly have a good idea of the things we don't like, but that's only one half of the equation. At the end of the day, we all just want to enjoy ourselves, right? 

    The content isn't good enough simply because it's lazy content. It's not even the event itself. Truly, it isn't. Regardless of what event they run, there will be people that dislike that given event and would prefer another, but they won't outright refuse to run most events. It's not even the lower rewards for the most part. Sure, we'd appreciate larger rewards from events but they aren't a necessity.

    It's what those rewards are. The card packs. Not because they are so few. Because they are legacy cards. From a standard event.

    We ask for more content, we are pleased by more content; however, don't be lazy and just push a button to turn on event.

    - Is the event coalition? Then it will be standard. If the event is standard, give standard card packs as rewards.
    - Is the event legacy? Then give legacy card packs as rewards.
    They don't have to change the jewels, crystals, or runes. The card packs given though, should reflect the format the event is played in.

    To be fair, there are people who are legitimately annoyed by how few the rewards are. It's impossible to please everyone on that front. The larger issue for many involved here is the legacy card packs as rewards.
  • Kinesia
    Kinesia Posts: 1,621 Chairperson of the Boards
    People want many many different things and have hugely different priorities.

    The Devs are spending most of their time on new content and _longterm_ fixing the stuff in the background to make the future better. (Extrapolating from the small changes, the future looks REALLY good!)


    This event is VERY clearly something chucked in the schedule without any effort just to add content without disrupting the other longer term plans.


    This is not a slap in the face, it's for a SPECIFIC audience with a specific problem, not having enough content midweek. 
    If that isn't your HIGHEST priority (if you prefer prizes, or overall ranking, or literally anything else) then you are NOT the target of this particular event. So while it may be annoying to you and you are allowed to express that, you really need to understand that this has nothing to do with you in the first place, you aren't the target for this event.

    This is ONLY for people who don't care about prizes and only want something to do.

    The Devs have to cater for _everyone_ and they can not do that in the short term in any single event. So all the events are for different types of people and we will likely _all_ find things we don't like in different ones. That doesn't make them bad or poor design or anything else, just different audiences...

    It's like the Netflix algorithm, it's not about "is this show good or bad", it's "Is this aimed at me?"


    Even with the rewards people have DIFFERENT desires and the devs absolutely cannot meet both because they contradict. Some people want the rewards locked in the right event and time feel, some want them updated, both are valid but both can't be met, it's actually impossible and some people WILL be left out and feel ignored.


    As long as you are getting enough stuff that meets your OWN priorities, stop trying to apply that to every single thing.
    You can pick and choose events based on what personally you care about, sometimes things will be a bit of a mix and you'll have to sacrifice 1 priority to meet another. This is all totally NORMAL in something so complex.




  • Sarahschmara
    Sarahschmara Posts: 554 Critical Contributor
    I agree with you @Kinesia

    However, I think that I may belong to the “more!” crowd. 

    More options and more prizes and I know that some of you may considering me selfish for this but I know that I do also represent a fair amount of new “serious” players that are too timid to take on the forum hive mind on their own. 
  • Sarahschmara
    Sarahschmara Posts: 554 Critical Contributor
    Mburn7 said:
    @Kinesia my only counter to your post is this:

    If this event was solely run to appease the people asking for more events, why is it a coalition event?

    I agree with pretty much everything else you said, but this bugs me.  Making an event coalition makes it effectively mandatory for everyone to participate, including those who do not get really bored at work.  If it was a non-coalitoin standard event I doubt the backlash would be as great (since if you really hate the rewards you really don't have to play at all)
    Now this is an interesting point to bring up. In FTA, we have ambition polls so people are free to “opt out” of competitive play for any reason, whether they are just very busy OR they dislike this particular event matters not to us at all from a cold, number-crunching perspective. 

    All of “our” players knew what they were signing up for when they told us their intentions for the event. 
  • Firinmahlazer
    Firinmahlazer Posts: 417 Mover and Shaker
    Big shout out to everyone boycotting the event. Even though I half-tinykittyed all my decks I still was able to place pretty well with a few outright losses and a ton of missed objectives. I appreciate that.
  • Sarahschmara
    Sarahschmara Posts: 554 Critical Contributor
    Mburn7 said:
    Sarahschmara said:
    Mburn7 said:
    @Kinesia my only counter to your post is this:

    If this event was solely run to appease the people asking for more events, why is it a coalition event?

    I agree with pretty much everything else you said, but this bugs me.  Making an event coalition makes it effectively mandatory for everyone to participate, including those who do not get really bored at work.  If it was a non-coalitoin standard event I doubt the backlash would be as great (since if you really hate the rewards you really don't have to play at all)
    Now this is an interesting point to bring up. In FTA, we have ambition polls so people are free to “opt out” of competitive play for any reason, whether they are just very busy OR they dislike this particular event matters not to us at all from a cold, number-crunching perspective. 

    All of “our” players knew what they were signing up for when they told us their intentions for the event. 
    In extinction we do the same.  I am not saying that it is impossible to get out of playing if you don't have the time mid-week to play, but I find it odd that it is necessary if the goal was to give people more content to do if they want to.   A lot of players are really attached to their all time scores, and I would hate to see them lose them because of this.  I want more events during the week, but not everyone else does.  I get that.  So the simple solution is to make them non-coalition to reduce the pressure.  I just don't get why they didn't.
    This is also an interesting point to bring up. We’re not attached to all-time scores since we’re mostly filthy casuals who just happen to be highly skilled. We’re used to starting over from zero and we thing the only important score is this current event’s.

    Of course, we know that we’re weird about this stuff. We specifically designed our group to eliminate the stres (and burnout) of forced play. So, while I absolutely understand not wanting to let one’s team down, I do not understand why people can’t just not play if they’re not interested in the event. 
  • babar3355
    babar3355 Posts: 1,128 Chairperson of the Boards
    Kinesia said:
    People want many many different things and have hugely different priorities.

    The Devs are spending most of their time on new content and _longterm_ fixing the stuff in the background to make the future better. (Extrapolating from the small changes, the future looks REALLY good!)


    This event is VERY clearly something chucked in the schedule without any effort just to add content without disrupting the other longer term plans.

    I pretty much agree with you there, but I think it is a huge blind spot from the developers.  They consider the content largely the cards and the planeswalkers.  But the game actually revolves around the events and other playable content.  Yet, they abandoned story mode and QB, have not provided any of the dozens of open ended content options the community has asked for (sandbox, mirrormatch, coalition play, planeshift, etc) and chunk out 1-2 twists on the same old events we have had for 2 years.

    I really think they need to focus on what we use the cards and PWs to actually do, rather than finishing up a new set and racing to start the next one.
  • James13
    James13 Posts: 665 Critical Contributor
    Being totally fair, they were also told at one point that "We want card rewards to match the block of the event" at one point, too.

    There's lots of voices here and some contradictory ideas floating around.

    It doesn't matter much to me that the event repeated basically "as-is".

    A big positive to me is that more than just the same few events are being rotated through at all.  This appearance of HOR breaks a long string of same-events monotony.

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