Boycott HoR

gogol666

@babar3355 suggested to just reach progression on HoR. I think it is an amazing idea to show that we don't care to play 1000 battles if the rewards are so tiny.
So, SWWAgain is only playing to progression. Youhave1job, goblinpile and urzas1egacy said they are doing the same.
Join us and let's show them that small rewards means less engagement or just sneak an easy win if you like

boopers

Add TheNewTalent, Malcontent, and Embalmed to that list. The difference between 2nd place and 25th coalition rewards is basically less than the rewards you’ll get playing one TotP for triple the time investment. 

Another coalition event with legacy rewards. Com’mon... 

Laeuftbeidir

Tormented, D3NIED, Cr8zy4magic will be discussing this internally.

The reasons in favor are obvious.

DumasAG

I guess I don't understand the impact of playing this event to progression and no further. Coalitions 'make a stand' by voluntarily not collecting the (admittedly small) rewards, and then what? Players have slightly less free resources, but they're still playing the game. As far as I know, D3/Oktagon don't make money from minutes logged into game - they make money from players buying things in game. Less free resources means players will, theoretically, buy more. Isn't boycotting playing a legacy event actually working in the favor of D3?

If you really want to make a stand, then you know where to punch. They've got tons of stuff rolling around in the vault, don't buy any of it. Don't let any of your coalition members buy any of it. As far as I know, that's the only effective form of boycotting in MTGPQ.

Brakkis

Too many completionist whales play this game for the vocal members of any of it's varied communities to achieve any real protest of profits on the game.

People actually purchased Palladia Mors and that card is utter garbage.

gogol666

And yet, less engagement 

babar3355

To clarify GoblinPile's stance, "We can't be arsed to compete for these tinykitty rewards". - @ZW2007-

The only viable reason for playing these games would be to secure our  top lifetime placement, so we were looking for a gentlemen's deal with YH1J to take the event off.  However, the idea was so popular that it kind of exploded into a form of protest.

I also want to make sure everyone understands that we are approaching the event as "progression + optional".  We aren't trying to restrict our members to just progression.. everyone can make their own decision.  But we aren't asking members to go past progression in order to get a top placement as a coalition.

Whether the devs care, I can't say.  But I do hope they get the message about updating prizes.  Even with pretty lousy jewel and crystal prizes, most people would be excited to play it if we got M19 boosters/rares rather than legacy trash.

James13

I will say in the event's defense that having a 1k bracket is at least refreshing after the endless onslaught of nothing but 3k events.

Laeuftbeidir

babar3355 said:

To clarify GoblinPile's stance, "We can't be arsed to compete for these tinykitty rewards". - @ZW2007-

The only viable reason for playing these games would be to secure our  top lifetime placement, so we were looking for a gentlemen's deal with YH1J to take the event off.  However, the idea was so popular that it kind of exploded into a form of protest.

I also want to make sure everyone understands that we are approaching the event as "progression + optional".  We aren't trying to restrict our members to just progression.. everyone can make their own decision.  But we aren't asking members to go past progression in order to get a top placement as a coalition.

Whether the devs care, I can't say.  But I do hope they get the message about updating prizes.  Even with pretty lousy jewel and crystal prizes, most people would be excited to play it if we got M19 boosters/rares rather than legacy trash.

Were with you here. We decided to stop collecting scores for this event and let every member decide by themselves.

madwren

babar3355 said:

To clarify GoblinPile's stance, "We can't be arsed to compete for these tinykitty rewards". - @ZW2007-

The only viable reason for playing these games would be to secure our  top lifetime placement, so we were looking for a gentlemen's deal with YH1J to take the event off.  However, the idea was so popular that it kind of exploded into a form of protest.

I also want to make sure everyone understands that we are approaching the event as "progression + optional".  We aren't trying to restrict our members to just progression.. everyone can make their own decision.  But we aren't asking members to go past progression in order to get a top placement as a coalition.

Whether the devs care, I can't say.  But I do hope they get the message about updating prizes.  Even with pretty lousy jewel and crystal prizes, most people would be excited to play it if we got M19 boosters/rares rather than legacy trash.

I'm the Goblinpile Taskmaster, and I approve this message.

Couldn't resist. Thumbs up to Babar for summing things up pretty well. This wasn't originally intended as an organized strike, more of a "this isn't worth the effort" statement.

 

Mark_Tedin

The biggest problem is playing a standard coalition event with Legacy rewards. I do not know why it's so hard to get AWR as a mid-week coalition event . It will be perfect.

EDHdad

So the top coalitions will only have 20 players who make progression in this event, as opposed to the usual number, which is 20.

There are thousands of coalitions where you're lucky to have 2 or 3 players make progression.  If you don't want to compete for that sweet, sweet Hour of Devastation booster pack, it's OK to step aside and make room for some other coalition to have a chance.

babar3355

EDHdad said:

So the top coalitions will only have 20 players who make progression in this event, as opposed to the usual number, which is 20.

There are thousands of coalitions where you're lucky to have 2 or 3 players make progression.  If you don't want to compete for that sweet, sweet Hour of Devastation booster pack, it's OK to step aside and make room for some other coalition to have a chance.

Well, 55 crystals isn't nothing.  But you are right.. pretty sure no one cares if players don't even bother with progression.

However, I feel no obligation to bow out to teams who don't bother to try and be in a competitive coalition.  The availability is there if the effort is there.

bk1234

babar3355 said:

However, I feel no obligation to bow out to teams who don't bother to try and be in a competitive coalition.  The availability is there if the effort is there.

This is a very unfair thing to say. In my travels around the MtGPQ universe, I have met tons of coalitions who aren’t in this situation because they don’t bother — more because they don’t have the resources and skills to build great teams. 

You were very lucky to get on a great coalition — so was I — but there are a lot of captains and players who care very deeply about their coalitions, and would love to be in the position to "choose" whether to play up or down. 

Kinesia

This whole thing is ridiculous.

People should individual decide whether to play or not based on _enjoyment_ not rewards.


There's way way too much "Waaah! This isn't enough free stuff!" going on again even though we are getting more free stuff than ever.

Sick of the entitlement.


They should drop ALL rewards for every event. That would be a far more appropriate response from the devs than upping them.

Aeroplane

Kinesia said:

This whole thing is ridiculous.

People should individual decide whether to play or not based on _enjoyment_ not rewards.


There's way way too much "Waaah! This isn't enough free stuff!" going on again even though we are getting more free stuff than ever.

Sick of the entitlement.


They should drop ALL rewards for every event. That would be a far more appropriate response from the devs than upping them.

I have to agree. The rewards in the new battles are quite generous. Sure, have a little rant about about the bad objectives , lack of emergency updates for bugs, etc.. but a boycott over a free game because the rewards in one event is not good enough for you. Brigby must be rolling his eyes at this thread.

Gunmix25

Kinesia said:

This whole thing is ridiculous.

People should individual decide whether to play or not based on _enjoyment_ not rewards.


There's way way too much "Waaah! This isn't enough free stuff!" going on again even though we are getting more free stuff than ever.

Sick of the entitlement.


They should drop ALL rewards for every event. That would be a far more appropriate response from the devs than upping them.

@Kinesia

*respect*  ... this needed to be said. This nonsense is a show of the sad state of affairs in the gaming culture that exists in MTGPQ. 

Browbeating to get your way because one feels they are entitled to free stuff, bigger rewards (which are only good if they surpassed the highest known one to exist... else it's "mediocre.") Then shoot down other players because they don't feel like playing full board to raise oneself even higher on the ego bar...

Tasteless to the Nth degree

Brakkis

Kinesia said:

This whole thing is ridiculous.

People should individual decide whether to play or not based on _enjoyment_ not rewards.


There's way way too much "Waaah! This isn't enough free stuff!" going on again even though we are getting more free stuff than ever.

Sick of the entitlement.


They should drop ALL rewards for every event. That would be a far more appropriate response from the devs than upping them.

It's not about the amount of free stuff.

It's about the quality of the free stuff.
- Stop running Standard Coalition events that give Legacy rewards.
- Make the free 6 hour boosters standard only (This should be done immediately when a new set is released)
- Make the weekly log in reward packs standard only (This should likewise be done immediately)
- Make more than a single new event for an entire set so that you can rotate running them each week for legitimate access to that new sets booster packs.

Legacy events can give legacy rewards. You don't need legacy cards to run those events and they're barely necessary to compete in them as is. You need standard cards to play standard events and they keep throwing out legacy cards that newer players can not use in current content.

The rewards in HoR suck. If they were standard rewards though, I'd hammer through the **** event and it's paltry rewards for them because the quality would be sufficient enough to give the quantity a pass.

HarryMason

The operative word is free . We're complaining about free stuff. There are plenty of issues I would consider more pressing than rewards . Replace the sweet sweet hou packs with m19 and the rewards would still be booty , but it's free booty . People are talking about boycotting free stuff. That's like boycotting the soup kitchen. You're not hurting the soup kitchen. This is sad. 

Brakkis

HarryMason said:

The operative word is free . We're complaining about free stuff. There are plenty of issues I would consider more pressing than rewards . Replace the sweet sweet hou packs with m19 and the rewards would still be booty , but it's free booty . People are talking about boycotting free stuff. That's like boycotting the soup kitchen. You're not hurting the soup kitchen. This is sad. 

If enough people stop going to the soup kitchen, the soup kitchen stops operating.

**** soup will make people stop getting soup.

We don't want the soup kitchen to shut down. We don't even want them to give out more soup. We want tastier soup.

I find it sadder that people valiantly defend a **** rewards structure simply because it has the free tag on it. Free doesn't mean it has to be **** quality. Especially if you have to work towards earning that "free" stuff. Time isn't free. When the rewards aren't worth the effort, why put in the effort. In most cases, people will simply leave and go put that effort into something with superior rewards. The same can be done here. People could move on to better games with better rewards. They aren't doing that because they want this game to succeed and thus, are complaining about it's faults in order to get them fixed. If no one complains, nothing gets changed. And when the game is this riddled with bugs, errors, and poor event structure and rewards, it needs to be fixed.

span_argoman

Brakkis said:

HarryMason said:

The operative word is free . We're complaining about free stuff. There are plenty of issues I would consider more pressing than rewards . Replace the sweet sweet hou packs with m19 and the rewards would still be booty , but it's free booty . People are talking about boycotting free stuff. That's like boycotting the soup kitchen. You're not hurting the soup kitchen. This is sad. 

If enough people stop going to the soup kitchen, the soup kitchen stops operating.

tinykitty soup will make people stop getting soup.

We don't want the soup kitchen to shut down. We don't even want them to give out more soup. We want tastier soup.

It's a soup kitchen, not a 3-star Michelin restaurant. People who need soup will still go to the soup kitchen cause they need it for sustenance. In real life, asking for tastier soup from the soup kitchen serving it free would just get you weird looks at best.