Update to Gambit (Classic) Character Update (7/18/18)

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  • Dartmaster01
    Dartmaster01 Posts: 634 Critical Contributor
    edited July 2018

    @ GrimSkald Yeah, firing every single turn without fail is obviously a bit of an exaggeration. At the same time, you're not accounting for the cascades that happen after Thor destroys tiles. I understand why, it's a hard thing to quantify and/or measure due to it's random nature but it does happen and often. I'd say from looking at it from the context of personal play that it's at least 50% of the time. There is no way to know when, what color or how many matches will happen each turn but it's a ton of extra ap on top of the 6 he actually breaks. I don't think there's a way to measure it without using that team though because it's always going to be different than the numbers on paper.

    With that said, I really don't care if Gambit's black has the restriction or not. I know it wouldn't be healthy for the game but if they remove it at some point in the future, I'll be one of the worst offenders exploiting it.

  • GrimSkald
    GrimSkald Posts: 2,674 Chairperson of the Boards
    Dartmaster01 said:

    @ GrimSkald Yeah, firing every single turn without fail is obviously a bit of an exaggeration. At the same time, you're not accounting for the cascades that happen after Thor destroys tiles. I understand why, it's a hard thing to quantify and/or measure due to it's random nature but it does happen and often. I'd say from looking at it from the context of personal play that it's at least 50% of the time. There is no way to know when, what color or how many matches will happen each turn but it's a ton of extra ap on top of the 6 he actually breaks. I don't think there's a way to measure it without using that team though because it's always going to be different than the numbers on paper.

    With that said, I really don't care if Gambit's black has the restriction or not. I know it wouldn't be healthy for the game but if they remove it at some point in the future, I'll be one of the worst offenders exploiting it.

    Heh, fair enough.  I'm not so sure myself, but you may well be right.  His black is certainly a lot more exploitable without that restriction.

    I'm glad they walked back some of the Gambit nerf, to be honest.  I think the current nerf is going to take him well out of the band of "useful for PVP" characters, but he still may have some value in PVE.

  • beyonderbub
    beyonderbub Posts: 661 Critical Contributor
    @Brigby I think I'm gonna need another season of unnerfed Gambit just so I can truly process and fully digest these newly proposed changes, My roster and state of mind will be better emotionally equipped by then. Thanks.
  • jackstar0
    jackstar0 Posts: 1,280 Chairperson of the Boards
    I only wish it would take effect right at the end of the current season. The off-season buffer would be just fine to let people adjust their thinking and decide how crazy they want to get.

    I'll be keeping my Gambit simply for essential PvE. All PvE is easier with a massively boosted 5*.
  • Basepuzzler
    Basepuzzler Posts: 180 Tile Toppler
    GrimSkald said:
    Dartmaster01 said:

    @ GrimSkald Yeah, firing every single turn without fail is obviously a bit of an exaggeration. At the same time, you're not accounting for the cascades that happen after Thor destroys tiles. I understand why, it's a hard thing to quantify and/or measure due to it's random nature but it does happen and often. I'd say from looking at it from the context of personal play that it's at least 50% of the time. There is no way to know when, what color or how many matches will happen each turn but it's a ton of extra ap on top of the 6 he actually breaks. I don't think there's a way to measure it without using that team though because it's always going to be different than the numbers on paper.

    With that said, I really don't care if Gambit's black has the restriction or not. I know it wouldn't be healthy for the game but if they remove it at some point in the future, I'll be one of the worst offenders exploiting it.

    Heh, fair enough.  I'm not so sure myself, but you may well be right.  His black is certainly a lot more exploitable without that restriction.

    I'm glad they walked back some of the Gambit nerf, to be honest.  I think the current nerf is going to take him well out of the band of "useful for PVP" characters, but he still may have some value in PVE.

    But the “useful for PVP” band just got way larger with old gambit gone.  So much so that you can use new gambit in it.
  • Jaedenkaal
    Jaedenkaal Posts: 3,357 Chairperson of the Boards
    Basepuzzler said:
    But the “useful for PVP” band just got way larger with old gambit gone.  So much so that you can use new gambit in it.
    That's the hope, certainly.
  • thedarkphoenix
    thedarkphoenix Posts: 557 Critical Contributor
    *Evil laughs*

    *hahahahah*
    *ahahahahahaha!*


    That slick talkin cajun can't be kept down!

    Woohoo!
  • thedarkphoenix
    thedarkphoenix Posts: 557 Critical Contributor
    I think gambit will be ok with these changes.  He just needs to play a bit differently now. 3/5/5 or potentially 5/5/3  or (4/4/5 with blackbolt) with purple being his new nuke.

    Gambit won't be a one stop defeat all now, but he should still do ok. A bit more inconsistent since he can't counter his own count down tiles now and his ap generation can be stopped and isn't guaranteed each turn. 

    Good luck to any character that get his with his purple though. 30k damage is nothing to sneeze at, he'll also work much better with Black bolt now... ironically.
  • Warbringa
    Warbringa Posts: 1,301 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited July 2018
    He will be fun with 4* Capt Marvel and Coulson too.  That countdown tile should buff a ton friendly tiles pretty fast when paired with Capt Marvel. Coulson has a power that reduces countdown tiles too I think and adds random AP when a tile goes to 0.
  • tiomono
    tiomono Posts: 1,654 Chairperson of the Boards
    GamBaTron said:
    Are we still getting a free gambit cover for using him in an event during this season? Did that happen already? I used him in multiple events. 

    This will actually come during next season when his nerd goes live.
  • MgoBlue51
    MgoBlue51 Posts: 113 Tile Toppler
    I like the walk back on the nerf. I think they could have eliminated the repeater tile and just kept it as a passive, but keeping the change to not allow enemy ap destruction. My CD and repeater tiles often get matched very quickly, many times before they even fire once. I would have preferred something like anytime the repeater tile gets matched away, gambit no longer blocks his allies from firing red or purple powers... woulda been a cool strategy of “to match or not to match”. Wasted opportunity if you ask me. Frustrating but not earth shattering 
  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards
    Or they could just make it a fortified repeater tile at 5 covers.
  • MgoBlue51
    MgoBlue51 Posts: 113 Tile Toppler
    HoundofShadow said:
    Or they could just make it a fortified repeater tile at 5 covers.
    I also would have liked the countdown to go down to 1 at level 5
  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards
    Wouldn't that be similar with his previous ability? Generating aps freely.
  • tph_james
    tph_james Posts: 197 Tile Toppler
    No point for us to argue again at this point. The dev is determined to exile gambit from the way they meddle in all 3 powers recently. Just live with it. Find a new meta 
  • Moon Roach
    Moon Roach Posts: 2,863 Chairperson of the Boards
    Coming soon: Gambit-only support "Sucks to not have this one", at rank 5 reinstates all Gambit's current powers.
  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards
    Gambit movie might be out next year June, so we might get another Gambit.
  • tph_james
    tph_james Posts: 197 Tile Toppler
    Moon Roach said:
    Coming soon: Gambit-only support "Sucks to not have this one", at rank 5 reinstates all Gambit's current powers.
    Then it will be the first support worth chasing.. Hahaha
  • GrimSkald
    GrimSkald Posts: 2,674 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited July 2018
    Basepuzzler said:
    GrimSkald said:
    Dartmaster01 said:

    @ GrimSkald Yeah, firing every single turn without fail is obviously a bit of an exaggeration. At the same time, you're not accounting for the cascades that happen after Thor destroys tiles. I understand why, it's a hard thing to quantify and/or measure due to it's random nature but it does happen and often. I'd say from looking at it from the context of personal play that it's at least 50% of the time. There is no way to know when, what color or how many matches will happen each turn but it's a ton of extra ap on top of the 6 he actually breaks. I don't think there's a way to measure it without using that team though because it's always going to be different than the numbers on paper.

    With that said, I really don't care if Gambit's black has the restriction or not. I know it wouldn't be healthy for the game but if they remove it at some point in the future, I'll be one of the worst offenders exploiting it.

    Heh, fair enough.  I'm not so sure myself, but you may well be right.  His black is certainly a lot more exploitable without that restriction.

    I'm glad they walked back some of the Gambit nerf, to be honest.  I think the current nerf is going to take him well out of the band of "useful for PVP" characters, but he still may have some value in PVE.

    But the “useful for PVP” band just got way larger with old gambit gone.  So much so that you can use new gambit in it.
    Hmmm.  Maaaaybe?  I think he's going to be too slow, but he may still be good with Bolt (they don't overlap in anything other than passives,) and Hawkeye.

    Hawkeye in particular may be decent -- pre-nerf you pretty much just spammed the purple to get rid of enemy tiles and didn't really care if they went off.  Post-nerf, the damage has become a lot more of the point, and Hawkeye will fortify those tiles.  Also, Hawkeye generates charged tiles with his third arrow...

    Goblin is another obvious partner for him, though speaking for myself I don't really have one.

    The other upside to this is that JJ becomes a lot more viable in PVP, and LumberCap actually has a chance to be used now...

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