Update to Gambit (Classic) Character Update (7/18/18)

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  • GamBaTron
    GamBaTron Posts: 17 Just Dropped In
    Are we still getting a free gambit cover for using him in an event during this season? Did that happen already? I used him in multiple events. 
  • Dartmaster01
    Dartmaster01 Posts: 634 Critical Contributor

    I was assuming the restriction stayed in place to prevent Gam-battery coming back. Which I am ok with.


  • tph_james
    tph_james Posts: 197 Tile Toppler
    edited July 2018
    Gambit is officially dead in pve and pvp:
    1. Red is too weak in SCL9.
    2. purple no longer overwrites cd, useless against maggias, ninjas, doom bots, mindless, etc.
    3. Black is slower and only feeds his own weak powers.
    Instead of just tuning his passive, I don't understand why they want to mess with his actives. 
    Time to say goodbye. 
  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,476 Chairperson of the Boards
    Is the LT for using him at some point between now and then still going out?
  • The Viceroy Returns
    The Viceroy Returns Posts: 493 Mover and Shaker
    Tony_Foot said:
    Tony_Foot said:
    Gambits red straight up sucks now, might be of use if they ever fix the Okoye bug.
    What Okoye bug?
    That okoyes team up black does not add to gambits second throw of red, It should and it’s been acknowledged as a bug but quite clearly avoiding fixing it until gambits nerf is live.

    Im guessing it will be fixed then as I saw a screenshot yesterday of icex showing it working in testing, I think it was testing because it still doesn’t work for me.
    Where'd you see a screenshot from IceX of this working?
  • BlackBoltRocks
    BlackBoltRocks Posts: 1,196 Chairperson of the Boards
    Is the LT for using him at some point between now and then still going out?
    It’ll be given out at the start of next season, after he’s nerfed
  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,476 Chairperson of the Boards
    And i can use him anywhere? PVP/PVE whatever? Mine is terrible, does it have to be in PVP, and if so, do I have to win a match? lol
  • The Viceroy Returns
    The Viceroy Returns Posts: 493 Mover and Shaker
    And i can use him anywhere? PVP/PVE whatever? Mine is terrible, does it have to be in PVP, and if so, do I have to win a match? lol
    Hopefully using in in a feeder PVE node is enough.
    Maybe if you get lucky and find a seed node in PVP that could work too.
    That's what I did just now to make sure I used him at least somewhere, cause mine is unusable cover wise as well (4 2 2 @255).
  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards
    Here's the criteria to get free LT:

    IceIX said:
    So if I use gambit even once during the next season I get a free LL? Does it have to be pvp or does pve nodes work too?
    He needs to be used in an event in the Mind Stone Season.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,476 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited July 2018
    and so "event in the Mind Stone Season" is a pvp event with that indicator on it then? I just went in to High Stakes and won a match with my 1/1/1 lvl 250, so I guess I'm good. Would be nice if we got some notification we met the criteria in-game
  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,016 Chairperson of the Boards
    Sm0keyJ0e said:
    Reading the comments thus far is hilarious. If I'm part of the dev/publishing/Marvel team I'm scratching my head. Gambit's never gonna be used again! All we're going to see is Gambit galore! He didn't get nerfed enough! He got nerfed too much! 

    I, for one, as an investor of resources in this game, will see how this plays out. I've already noticed Gambit-fatigue in the Versus slice that I play in--many people who can and have ran Gambit before are no longer doing so. I think that trend will continue. His red is so pathetically weak now (as it should be since it can still be spammed) no one is going to be afraid of it--so if he's paired with JJ/Okoye/Thor you don't have to worry about their red powers (just make sure Gambit has fired red before you down him). It appears to now be a race to down Gambit before his purple CD's go off. Should be fun!

    I understand both sides: he was ridiculously OP to begin with and when so many people invested so much into him, they understandably don't want him to drop to unusable. I'm really hoping the lesson learned here is that more care needs to be put into a toon before they are released to prevent changes to that character in the future. Gambit was broken on release, and that's on the devs. The reverse has recently occurred as well: Wasp is absolute trash. But their track record for improving toons doesn't seem to stack up to their desire to nerf them, at least in the 5* tier.
    Players are really, really bad at judging characters on paper (even me!).  I'm not sure why.  You can go back in this forum and read tons of fun and extremely wrong hot-takes on pre-release characters though.
  • Warbringa
    Warbringa Posts: 1,301 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited July 2018
    So every 2 turns he will gen 6 ap passively and when he fires red creates 3 (!!) charges which now makes him even more powerful and hugely increases the likelihood that you’re gonna take a full blast at some point.  And he’s getting a health boost.  Once again, you have missed the point and it will still be a never ending parade of gambit in pvp.  

    //Removed Insult -Brigby
    No it won't.  His red damage has been nearly halved and its AP cost increased.  His purple now doesn't overwrite tiles.  The damage has been increased though making it his best offensive weapon. However, you would have to tank his red to 3 covers, making it nearly useless and his black prevents you from having any other red active powers on your team which is brutal since red is the primary damage dealing color in MPQ.  Most importantly, his AP destruction has been removed and AP generation has been decreased by 25% and is now conditional. It can be matched away and/or manipulated by other powers unlike his AP generation before.  He will probably be solid mid tier after these slight readjustments they just announced however characters like Thor/Okoye/JJ will be better options for offense which is the only thing that PvP is about now with his nerf.  If they removed his AP color restrictions for allies he would still be top tier.
  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,476 Chairperson of the Boards
    Warbringa said:
    No it won't.  His red damage has been nearly halved and its AP cost increased.  His purple now doesn't overwrite tiles.  ...

    Just wanted to make clear that it still overwrites strikes, protects, and attacks, just not CDs and Repeaters
  • Jaedenkaal
    Jaedenkaal Posts: 3,357 Chairperson of the Boards

    I was assuming the restriction stayed in place to prevent Gam-battery coming back. Which I am ok with.


    Also, since apparently Red powers are the best damage dealers (according to other posts here) allowing him to feed others' Red powers would do nothing to increase team diversity. 

    Best 2 5*s have good (or even fine) Red powers? Gambit is an auto-include 3rd.
  • Richyyy
    Richyyy Posts: 305 Mover and Shaker
    Although given how much play characters like IM40 and Vulture get at their respective levels, a character at the 5* level who is primarily used as a support/AP-feeder for other characters would actually be a nice and useful addition. Thor kinda does it, and Okoye is a type of 'support' with her extra damage, but no one really just feeds and helps.
  • GrimSkald
    GrimSkald Posts: 2,674 Chairperson of the Boards

    I was assuming the restriction stayed in place to prevent Gam-battery coming back. Which I am ok with.


    Also, since apparently Red powers are the best damage dealers (according to other posts here) allowing him to feed others' Red powers would do nothing to increase team diversity. 

    Best 2 5*s have good (or even fine) Red powers? Gambit is an auto-include 3rd
    Okoye/Thor/Gam-battery would be all I ever used. I mean who doesn't want to just spam thor's red for 60k-80k every turn with thor and gambit feeding red. It would be awesome for those that have it and worse than current Gambit for those that don't, so not healthy for the game considering they are trying to bring Gambit in line.


    I don't know, like I said Gambit's AP generation will be incredibly inconsistent.  Pre-Nerf it's straight 2AP/Turn (plus -2/turn from your opponent..)  Post Nerf on paper it's 6AP every other turn (so 3 AP/Turn,) but in actual practice I suspect the repeater is going to go off, at best, 2/3 of the time - remember each time it gets destroyed it adds an additional turn to the count down on top of wherever it was (one turn to create, one turn to tick down, then it gives AP.)  This comes out to about the same, but luck will play a big factor.

    >shrug< I mean, if he doesn't block other characters' abilities then it does mean he will feed them, but I'll tell you right now, I'm not going to bring him just as a feeder, a slot in my team is way more valuable than that.  If Gambit brings nothing but AP (inconsistent AP, at that,) I'll just take someone else.  Also, he's not going to fuel enough AP to, as in Dart's example, fire anything every turn, even with Thor (below 50% Thor feeds about 2ap from each of his colors, he rarely gives more.)