New Gambit nerf

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  • Jarvind
    Jarvind Posts: 1,684 Chairperson of the Boards
    I'd be happy to see him nerfed, although the staleness of the game has already cut my play time to under 20 minutes a day. I'll keep plugging along, but they'd need to do something like supports minus the stupid and awful to really rope me back in.
  • abmoraz
    abmoraz Posts: 712 Critical Contributor
    Carnifexx said:
    Would a new Gambit nerf help the game or is it too late and would a nerf create too much ill will? I’m sick of seeing so much Gambit, but I just champed him!
    If history tells us anything, the Gambit nerf will happen once I get him championed.  In the past, every time I finally maxed whichever characters were the meta at that given time, those characters were immediately nerfed.  I would say that was because I am a mostly FtP player (I spend $20 every few months, but nothing major), and by the time I get the "new hotness" maxed out all the whales have spent their cash and the powers-that-be can then safely take "game balance" into consideration without affecting their revenue stream, but I realize it's probably just coincidence.

    (not necessarily in chronological order):

    - Get Winfinite 1.0 spec'd out... NERF! (removed environment tiles, changed Storm's red to yellow and reduced it's effectiveness)
    - Finally get 5 green in Ragnarok... NERF!
    - Get winfinite 2.0 spec'd out... NERF! (2*Mags purple nerf)
    - Finally get Hood and Sentry fully covered... NERF!
    - Get X-Force Wolverine covered... NERF!
    - Get a Yellow cover for my 4-0-4 OML to make him usable... NERF!

    So, as a warning to the rest of yinz, my Gambit has been stuck at 4-2-5 for a few months (and he is favorited).  I've had to waste 3 or 4 black covers for him in that time.  Now with the "saved covers" swap, he should be championed in the next 6-8 weeks.  So that is when to expect his nerfing.

    You have been warned... the nerf to Gambit will be happening within the next 8 weeks.  Plan accordingly.



  • Ducky
    Ducky Posts: 2,255 Community Moderator
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  • jackstar0
    jackstar0 Posts: 1,280 Chairperson of the Boards
    If Gambit getting knocked on his butt re-adjusts the meta to allow for more variety, then I am completely in favor of it.

    If it is coupled with a buff for Banner (C'mon, please!), all the better.
  • Warbringa
    Warbringa Posts: 1,299 Chairperson of the Boards
    Tony_Foot said:
    We know it’s coming, they already told us officially on the forum it was being worked on. It’s just waiting to see how bad the beating is. 

    They said they didn’t want to stop him being the best, I have a feeling they will take Lucille to him as usual when they nerf.
    Where was this at on the forums?
  • evade420
    evade420 Posts: 440 Mover and Shaker
    edited June 2018
    I feel like they will nerf him just enough that he is still viable but not a must have for PvP .
    As compensation it would be cool if instead of straight up selling him in exchange for 5* tokens they would let us keep him champed , but give us back his champion levels to exchange, I know a lot of people (such as myself) would have stopped pulling tokens once he was champed if he wasnt the best of the best at the time.
    So if the nerf is bad enough that I'm not going to be using him in pvp anymore, then I want those champ levels back but I still want him at lvl 450 for pve
  • Jaedenkaal
    Jaedenkaal Posts: 3,357 Chairperson of the Boards
    evade420 said:
    I feel like they will nerf him just enough that he is no longer viable as a must have for PvP .
    Viable as a must-have. Interesting concept. I'm assuming you mean, viable, but not a must-have.

    Sadly, traditionally that zone is a very small and difficult target, and combined with the human tendency for hyperbole leads to basically all nerfs declared overkill and the character written off as dead.
  • evade420
    evade420 Posts: 440 Mover and Shaker
    Jaedenkaal said:
    Viable as a must-have. Interesting concept. I'm assuming you mean, viable, but not a must-have.
     
    yes that one
  • Qubort
    Qubort Posts: 203 Tile Toppler
    GrimSkald said:

    Gambit is roughly 20%-50% better than any other character.  He really is.  Sure, you can beat him with a good team more than 50% of the time, but Gambit wins against a non-Gambit team, what, 99% of the time?  Maybe 99.5%?  I've been playing Gambit since November of last year - I wipe to Gambit teams probably about 5-10% of the time - rarely, but it does happen.  I think I've wiped to a non Gambit team once or twice in that same time period - out of literally hundreds if not thousands of matches.

    The nerf is coming, he's gross.  No character released since comes even close to his power level.  Frankly, it's long over due.  At this point it's only a question of when and how much. 

    If you were thinking of entering the 5* tier, I'd wait until it's done.  If you don't have Gambit, you will be meat for the Gambit teams.  If you do have Gambit (and don't have two other top tier 5*s,) if he gets nerfed badly you'll be in bad shape afterward.



    I like you completely ignore half of the game. Gambit is slow on PVE compared to other 5s. He is tops for PVP but not by that much. Someone using a half health Thor can drop him before he gets off a single power.

  • BlackWidower
    BlackWidower Posts: 250 Mover and Shaker
    edited June 2018
    I don't have Gambit fully covered and will be really disappointed  if they nerf him.  It's honestly the only reason I can think of that I am still playing.

    I believe, like some others, that they should start making other 5's actually good and not completely laughable, like Steve FA, Bruce Banner, Phoenix, Spiderblack, Doc Ock, Widow, Archangel, they could all use buffs to bring them up to competitive 5* levels.  It seems like a better option than dragging a 5*s down to a buffed 4* level.

    What is the point in striving to get a 5* if they are inevitably going to weaken them? They are starting to improve a bit with JJ and Oyoke and Thor before that.

    At the same time, though, if they nerf Gambit, I will lose a lot of interest in the game (as I won't have anything to strive for). 
    On the positive side, I will suddenly have a lot more time and money.  So, I dunno.  In a way, I don't really care... but I do.
  • Qubort
    Qubort Posts: 203 Tile Toppler
    babinro said:
    Jabrony_Geoff said:
    If they nerf Gambit in a bad way you will see mass game uninstalls like never before.
    #justsaying.
    We've had several meta defining characters nerfed over the years. 
    They know exactly what to expect by now.


    We have no reason to believe the mass uninstalls will be any worse than those that happened with Rags, Spidey, Mags, Sentry XF, Thor, OML's and now Gambits.



    They stated previously that Gambit was the most requested character and there is already hordes of people leaving the game each season for a variety of reasons. It won't be the death of the game, but there is reason to believe that an over nerf could drive more away than previous nerfs.
  • GrimSkald
    GrimSkald Posts: 2,645 Chairperson of the Boards
    Qubort said:
    GrimSkald said:

    Gambit is roughly 20%-50% better than any other character.  He really is.  Sure, you can beat him with a good team more than 50% of the time, but Gambit wins against a non-Gambit team, what, 99% of the time?  Maybe 99.5%?  I've been playing Gambit since November of last year - I wipe to Gambit teams probably about 5-10% of the time - rarely, but it does happen.  I think I've wiped to a non Gambit team once or twice in that same time period - out of literally hundreds if not thousands of matches.

    The nerf is coming, he's gross.  No character released since comes even close to his power level.  Frankly, it's long over due.  At this point it's only a question of when and how much. 

    If you were thinking of entering the 5* tier, I'd wait until it's done.  If you don't have Gambit, you will be meat for the Gambit teams.  If you do have Gambit (and don't have two other top tier 5*s,) if he gets nerfed badly you'll be in bad shape afterward.



    I like you completely ignore half of the game. Gambit is slow on PVE compared to other 5s. He is tops for PVP but not by that much. Someone using a half health Thor can drop him before he gets off a single power.

    You know, that's fair, I was primarily focusing on PVP, but to be honest, other than the 5* node PVE is just plain not a serious challenge to a 5* player.  Gambit is quite literally a little too much horsepower for PVE - you don't need your attacks to be that big so you'd rather have someone super fast like half-health Thor, Dr. Strange, and Thanos.  Gambit is on the slow side for PVE, so if you're concerned with speed, he's often not your best choice.

    I will say this - when I have actual trouble with the 5* node, I hit it with GamThor.  Particularly if CoulHawk is a bad option for whatever reason (I'm looking at you, 1st Sub of DPvsMPQ.)

    Regarding the second thing you said - someone with a half-heatlh Thor and... say, a half-health Daredevil will probably kill Gambit before he gets off a single power... probably between 20 and 40% of the time.  Less than half the time, certainly.  Your win/loss % will be okay, though I suspect worse than pretty much any other team.  Now flip the teams - play Gambit/whomever against Thor/DD.  I bet the Gambit team will win a much higher % of the time even counting the offensive advantage of starting Thor and DD at half-health.  Gambit is significantly more powerful than any other character.

  • Jaedenkaal
    Jaedenkaal Posts: 3,357 Chairperson of the Boards
    Of course, we do also have to face 5* gambit in PVE Simulator, as we're all about to be reminded. Those are NOT my favourite nodes. And they aren't skippable. I guess the only consolation there is that he;s not automatically level 550?
  • WEBGAS
    WEBGAS Posts: 474 Mover and Shaker
    edited June 2018
    Supposed that you all "asking for Gambit nerf" will be pleased and the nerf will go live : what's the next?
    Will be there a massive request for a GThor Nerf?
    And Then?
    Okoye ?  JJ ?  DD?

    Why, for Heaven's sake, players have to ask for a nerf?
    Couldn't it be way better to ask for a buff to other unplayable characters like Banner or  Ock  for example?

    Why don't ask for a good counter?

    My Gambit is only champed since a couple of months and I admit to using him a lot but is this a reason to break him with a nerf?
    Just like they did with OML, Thoress, Sentry, Spidey, XFW and so on?

    No Nerfs please, but only Buffs
  • Treras
    Treras Posts: 47 Just Dropped In
    Gambit will be over nerfed sooner or later.  Soon enough there will be another char worthy of hoarde busting and digital day extravaganza. 
  • Magic
    Magic Posts: 1,199 Chairperson of the Boards
    Buffs will not happen - they don't generate money with the dilution of the Classic tokens. So the nerf is a quick and easy solution for devs. Creating a counter just would generate money but would just put another over-powered character in the game to have the same "NERF" outcries in a few months. 

    What they could do is change the MMR and make sure that if you don't use Gambit you seem him less in the queues. Is it possible? How would I know.

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