New Gambit nerf

Carnifexx

Would a new Gambit nerf help the game or is it too late and would a nerf create too much ill will? I’m sick of seeing so much Gambit, but I just champed him!

WEBGAS

Why the need to nerf a good character?. Improve those who are not enough good ( Banner, Ock etc.) or create a good counter.
It s not fair to create a good one, a character which players spent time and resources to develop it and then broke their shiny toy
(Thoress, OML, XFW).....Just been there: no thanx! 

Tony_Foot

We know it’s coming, they already told us officially on the forum it was being worked on. It’s just waiting to see how bad the beating is. 

They said they didn’t want to stop him being the best, I have a feeling they will take Lucille to him as usual when they nerf.

Magic

If I didn't have Gambit championed I would wait till the start of next season when a potential change could be announced. If nothing - champ away and use for another few weeks. Since the OP already championed him - enjoy while you can (be it one week or one month or more).

Jabrony_Geoff

If they nerf Gambit in a bad way you will see mass game uninstalls like never before.
#justsaying.

Bowgentle

Jabrony_Geoff said:

If they nerf Gambit in a bad way you will see mass game uninstalls like never before.
#justsaying.

I hope all those baby rosters with 452 Gambits and Thors and 280 4s uninstall.
It'll be GLORIOUS.

bluewolf

Rebalances are announced at the beginning of the off season - usually late Monday - and take effect the following Thursday (when the new season starts). From now, that’s one week, if one occurs this time around.

Tony_Foot

Bowgentle said:

Jabrony_Geoff said:

If they nerf Gambit in a bad way you will see mass game uninstalls like never before.
#justsaying.

I hope all those baby rosters with 452 Gambits and Thors and 280 4s uninstall.
It'll be GLORIOUS.

Why?

Bowgentle

Tony_Foot said:

Bowgentle said:

Jabrony_Geoff said:

If they nerf Gambit in a bad way you will see mass game uninstalls like never before.
#justsaying.

I hope all those baby rosters with 452 Gambits and Thors and 280 4s uninstall.
It'll be GLORIOUS.

Why?

Some men just want to watch the world burn.

HoundofShadow

I remember seeing a recent post in here talking about Gambit receiving a big nerf (coming soon). Or did I see it in my dream?

Dragon_Nexus

I'd like them to at least wait until I have JJ champed so I have someone to potentially replace him with.

elko90

I find that for pvp climbing 50%DD and Thor are much better and less healthpack intensive than thorbit. I have a champed gambit and I use him less than the other two 

Tony_Foot

HoundofShadow said:

I remember seeing a recent post in here talking about Gambit receiving a big nerf (coming soon). Or did I see it in my dream?

They said in was in work but being delayed due to all the other stuff coming. They didn’t say how big the nerf is. I hope he’s still the best but I doubt it. They said the trick was rebalancing him and keeping him at the top. I will be surprised if that happens. 

All that hat needs to happen for me is remove his AP destruction, they wound back his AP to 2 per turn, but it will be a bigger rework than that I’m sure.

I would be happy with him as is if they just changed him to only being able to generate AP or destroy Ap if he was up front. Then straight away he becomes like okoye, a beast on offence but a kitten on defence.

evade420

If they nerf gambit they'd better let us sell him for double the iso, 5k hp  and 2 x 5* tokens for every cover we invested in him . There will be sooo much ill will, i honestly dont think the game will survive another major 5* nerf. And will we ever be able to trust again ? how long until they nerf okoye then?
If over usage of a character is the problem then what they really need to do is FIX MMR  so we actually have the option to use something other than the best character in the game for every fight

And you know that if they do "rebalance him again", he'll get a nerf which puts him right into the same class as 5* star Lord and friends not bottom of the pile but pretty close to it. Nothing will be held sacred anymore

WEBGAS

Why do people should invest any money into this game? If they will nerf Gambit as they did with others prior ( OML. Thoress, XFW etc.) then there will be no guarantee that any other good character could follow the same path (JJ, Okoye, GThor, DD).
So what is the purpose?
No Nerfs but only Buffs, please.

bluewolf

Gambit is an interesting illustration of the idea that taking no action is still an action.  His prior rebalance/buff was, what, a smokescreen to pretend they wanted to try to fix him?   And since then he's been the same OP Godbit for about 7 months, defining all subsequent 5's as "compared to Gambit".

His existence and ability set made Archangel a complete non-starter, made GRRR seem unimportant with his reliance on CDs and repeaters, and destroyed the viability of so many prior 5's.  Try running Beardcap vs Gambit and see how that goes.

Gambit nerfs spending.

At least Okoye sort of lets you start to have a fighting chance, but not facing Gambit with Gambit is tricky and unpredictable.

The devs have been treading a thin line.  They created an OP character that basically counters anything the artificial "intelligence" does while building up a nuke.  Do you think you would ever lose a match if you run Gambit vs a non-Gambit team (other than intentionally throwing it)?  Gambit is essential to have in PVP, but now he's fully locked in Classic Dilution Jail.  No one who wants to enter the 5* tier should do so without Gambit, who is basically going to require a miracle to cover unless you are already really far along.  So there's little point in chasing new 5's hard, and no way to chase Gambit hard in a viable way.  That situation is not good for their business, which is dependent on people wanting the new thing (which justifies making that new thing as well).  Spending a lot of development time and money on characters we all shrug at is not a sustainable business model.

So yes, nerfing a second 5 will make some question their spending, but there is absolutely no guarantee that any dollar you put into entertainment will be viable in the future.  God, all the dollars I spent on now unusable tech and games in my past.  All those games sitting around with "online" functionality but shut down servers.

jredd

If you turned his black from a passive auto ap generator to a 9-12ap active move that returns 7 purp and 7 red. keeps him pretty solid. still has devastating potential but removes the automatic ap generation/destruction. they could even just make the change for pvp and leave him as is for pve.

even in his current state, he's really not that difficult to beat, if you have your own gambit of course.

elko90

jredd said:

If you turned his black from a passive auto ap generator to a 9-12ap active move that returns 7 purp and 7 red. keeps him pretty solid. still has devastating potential but removes the automatic ap generation/destruction. they could even just make the change for pvp and leave him as is for pve.

even in his current state, he's really not that difficult to beat, if you have your own gambit of course.

You don't need your own gambit you just need 50% thor and DD the only thing to nerf about gambit is his purple which renders any pve event as trivial thats all everything else is fine. Because if he gets nerfed then there would be another 5* to aim at who will be used all of the time and you are back to the beginning again. One character will always be better than the rest 

elko90

OJSP said:

elko90 said:

You don't need your own gambit you just need 50% thor and DD

The way to beat one character is to bring 2? Good thing we don’t have a 5* Crash of the Titans.

The other team also has 3 characters its a team game 50% thor can also beat gambit or full health thor 

elko90

OJSP said:

elko90 said:

The other team also has 3 characters its a team game 50% thor can also beat gambit or full health thor 

I know it’s a team game. But, the way you wrote your sentence just made it sound like we need to use 2 characters to beat just one. I raised the point of 5* Crash of the Titans to illustrate that if Gambit becomes a one on one opponent, it would be very difficult to beat him. You mention Thor.. anyone else? One on one, Thor can be beaten by pretty much everyone else, even Doc Ock. We can’t say that about Gambit.

Anyway, from my observations so far.. those who don’t want Gambit nerfed are usually those with their own Gambits. Those who want him nerfed are those who are bored of using him and making their other 5*s obsolete or those who don’t have him.

I have him and I dont use him that much i only use him when i need to hop fast for 1200 points outside of that very rarely 

Dartmaster01

I have played maybe 2 matches with Gambit since I got Okoye(champed first day in LL) and used one health pack in pvp. Still hit 1200 easily. Gambit/Bolt are still the most unpredictable team on defense but Okoye/50%Thor are definitely the kings of offense. Level 500 Gambit gets one red off then I wipe the whole team. Okoye making your most trivial, under covered, under leveled 3*s hit harder than most champed 5*s is just ridiculous. For example, in the recent Daken event, his blue was hitting for 30k damage on each side. Enough to one shot most 5*s so Gambit is a non-issue.