Magic said: I sense that this will also mean the nerf to Gambit as he can plow through non-gambit 20 points team with ease on the way to 40-75 wins.
Wumpushunter said: Spudgutter said: Wumpushunter said: Spudgutter said: Wumpushunter said: Win base without season is so half-hearted, just keep it. It's a fools compromise. Pvp with out 90% of the rewards. Someone who is able to get 4000 per season still will. The change just means they could put in extra effort and get extra rewards in turn.So they are going to get more rewards, not less. And actually, because they will be playing more matches, they may actually get more points per season. What 90 percent are you talking about? Soul stone season event progression rewards, elite token, 1000 iso, 50 hero tokens, 75 iso, 3 star cover, and more and thats only at CL7. Really the only change for win based will be 2 or 3 new progression awards per PVP event for those that couldn't get over the hump. ?????????????if you were getting around 300 per pvp and 1k in Sim, you got the 4k reward. totally doable with effort. Now, if they put in more effort, they get a **guaranteed**: 50 hp, 750 iso, 10 cp, event token, 65 riso, 50 hp, 3* cover, 2000 iso, event token and a 4* cove at CL7. FOR EVERY EVENT. multiply that by 10.and you are upset that this doesn't include 4 rewards past 4k? which at CL9 are: 2250 iso, 580 riso, 100hp, and 15 cp. Seriously? while totally ignoring the fact that by pushing for these higher rewards, it is almost entirely likely that they will end up with a higher season score, and get one or more of those rewards? am i missing something here? The entire point of win based pvp is that the people win based was there to help wasnt getting 4k a season. They were getting slaughtered and their points reduced. So by stating hey you got points, you get rewards. No. The points are gone to the wind. -18 -6 -22 - 24 . The entire point of win based is to prevent trying to keep 4k from vanishing. And yet its still happening on the season this is a half compromise. No one gets less on progression if more people hit certain marks. It makes no sense to exclude season progression under wins.
Spudgutter said: Wumpushunter said: Spudgutter said: Wumpushunter said: Win base without season is so half-hearted, just keep it. It's a fools compromise. Pvp with out 90% of the rewards. Someone who is able to get 4000 per season still will. The change just means they could put in extra effort and get extra rewards in turn.So they are going to get more rewards, not less. And actually, because they will be playing more matches, they may actually get more points per season. What 90 percent are you talking about? Soul stone season event progression rewards, elite token, 1000 iso, 50 hero tokens, 75 iso, 3 star cover, and more and thats only at CL7. Really the only change for win based will be 2 or 3 new progression awards per PVP event for those that couldn't get over the hump. ?????????????if you were getting around 300 per pvp and 1k in Sim, you got the 4k reward. totally doable with effort. Now, if they put in more effort, they get a **guaranteed**: 50 hp, 750 iso, 10 cp, event token, 65 riso, 50 hp, 3* cover, 2000 iso, event token and a 4* cove at CL7. FOR EVERY EVENT. multiply that by 10.and you are upset that this doesn't include 4 rewards past 4k? which at CL9 are: 2250 iso, 580 riso, 100hp, and 15 cp. Seriously? while totally ignoring the fact that by pushing for these higher rewards, it is almost entirely likely that they will end up with a higher season score, and get one or more of those rewards? am i missing something here?
Wumpushunter said: Spudgutter said: Wumpushunter said: Win base without season is so half-hearted, just keep it. It's a fools compromise. Pvp with out 90% of the rewards. Someone who is able to get 4000 per season still will. The change just means they could put in extra effort and get extra rewards in turn.So they are going to get more rewards, not less. And actually, because they will be playing more matches, they may actually get more points per season. What 90 percent are you talking about? Soul stone season event progression rewards, elite token, 1000 iso, 50 hero tokens, 75 iso, 3 star cover, and more and thats only at CL7. Really the only change for win based will be 2 or 3 new progression awards per PVP event for those that couldn't get over the hump.
Spudgutter said: Wumpushunter said: Win base without season is so half-hearted, just keep it. It's a fools compromise. Pvp with out 90% of the rewards. Someone who is able to get 4000 per season still will. The change just means they could put in extra effort and get extra rewards in turn.So they are going to get more rewards, not less. And actually, because they will be playing more matches, they may actually get more points per season. What 90 percent are you talking about?
Wumpushunter said: Win base without season is so half-hearted, just keep it. It's a fools compromise. Pvp with out 90% of the rewards.
mbaren said: Listen, I'm sure someone will come along and tell us all how terrible this is, but in the meantime I think this is pretty great, and will definitely help people like me who are getting smacked down by 5*s because they were stupid enough to level one 5* too high. So I appreciate it.
guzktgui said: This changes seem very nice, regarding Gambit I don't want him nerfed but I would certainly appreciate having the chance to play against somebody else (all my nodes in pvp simulator include Gambit)
Bowgentle said: Magic said: I sense that this will also mean the nerf to Gambit as he can plow through non-gambit 20 points team with ease on the way to 40-75 wins. Anyone running Gambit will run out of non-Gambit teams after 8 wins.Which is why we complained about the number of wins - 5* players see nothing but other champed 5s from 0 points, so to grind out 40 wins against those teams was madness.
AlexR said: Wumpushunter said: The entire point of win based pvp is that the people win based was there to help wasnt getting 4k a season. They were getting slaughtered and their points reduced. So by stating hey you got points, you get rewards. No. The points are gone to the wind. -18 -6 -22 - 24 . The entire point of win based is to prevent trying to keep 4k from vanishing. And yet its still happening on the season this is a half compromise. No one gets less on progression if more people hit certain marks. It makes no sense to exclude season progression under wins. ??While I'm sure there are people struggling with 4k, the majority of people I've come across does not want win-based to reach 4k in season. For the casual pvp crowd that doesn't climb higher than 400-575pts 4k a season is still comfortably attainable. Heck, even if you get pushed down to 300 every pvp event, you can still make up the difference in Sim. Reaching 4k in seasons is really not overly difficult as long as you're in early 3* land. Heck, might even be doable in 2-3* transition; I can't remember when exactly I started going for 400 per pvp event (for the HP), but it was around that time. No, most people I've seen, who want wins-based because they can't reach a goal, want it to reach the specific 3/4* covers at 800/900 pts. Mostly the 4* covers at 900, though I've also seen ambitious lower rosters frustrated at not being able to get any 3* covers from it. 4k in season is doable with points, even for the more casual crowd and developing rosters. The main cover rewards are not.
Wumpushunter said: The entire point of win based pvp is that the people win based was there to help wasnt getting 4k a season. They were getting slaughtered and their points reduced. So by stating hey you got points, you get rewards. No. The points are gone to the wind. -18 -6 -22 - 24 . The entire point of win based is to prevent trying to keep 4k from vanishing. And yet its still happening on the season this is a half compromise. No one gets less on progression if more people hit certain marks. It makes no sense to exclude season progression under wins.
Nick441234 said: Aww, thats a shame then. Would have been nice to have been able to play more casually over the 2 and a half days. I shall remain on my joining in the last 3 hours schedule then. Good change nonetheless.