Latest Legends 5-Star Cover Exchanges *Updated (6/15/18)

12357…10

Comments

  • awarnica
    awarnica Posts: 44 Just Dropped In
    I think I know the answer to these two questions - but may as well ask.

    1 - for those of us who have dupes, because we thought it criminal to sell a 5* cover (i.e. I have a level 454 Bolt and a dupe with 2 green covers), will we be able now to sell the dupe and apply those covers? In a sense, the dupe has been my cover bank for 2 years now.

    2 - will the next announcement be a flood of 4* toons who now feed 5* toons? I have been hoping that you announce 5* feeders at a much fast pace - like 1 a week, with multiple 4*'s feeding 5*'s. This *might* help get more of a variety of 5* covers available and help people champ those 5*'s and not have the duplicate covers. As has been stated before, it takes a long while for most players to cover a 4*, and much much longer to cover a 5 - if the feeders were more prevalent, more 5's would be covered and people would not be holding as many covers, dreading having to swap 5:1.
  • broll
    broll Posts: 4,732 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited June 2018
    Toweliesox said:
    I never ever post complaints about this game but here we go. 

    1. 5 covers for 1!!!!!! You have literally now just forced people to mass pull before the deadline, and then forced everyone to hoard until they have 0 over the latest 5*'s or have champs they dont mind increasing. 

    2. Why don't you just do colourless for latest?! Then you keep everyone happy, and make it so nobody is contacting CS! 

    I do not understand why you guys do this......it's so *tinykitty* frustrating. 

    Edited to remove profanity- fight4thedream

    1.  They did nothing of the sort.  I and many many other won't be mass pulling from Latest before the deadline.  In fact I'm actually thrilled to do a mass pull from Classics as soon as the new system comes into play.  The mindset of focusing on Latest is instilled into people, but there's no requirement to stick to it.  I suspect there will be a lot of people that will focus more heavily on Classics vs Latest and feel less need to hoard than ever before.  I sure do.

    2.  Anyone who thought colorless covers was ever going to happen was dilution.  Everyone would have been happy for a month until they either undid the system or closed down the game because they could no longer actually make money.  Cover stress forcing sales is a larger driver of how the game stays in business.  The fact that this is only 5:1, you get the extra champ levels if you don't trade them, and that there's no HP, ISO, or CP cost to us it is WAAAYY more generous than I expected.

    You understand because you're not seeing it from both sides.  
  • 658_2
    658_2 Posts: 235 Tile Toppler
    broll said:
    Toweliesox said:
    I never ever post complaints about this game but here we go. 

    1. 5 covers for 1!!!!!! You have literally now just forced people to mass pull before the deadline, and then forced everyone to hoard until they have 0 over the latest 5*'s or have champs they dont mind increasing. 

    2. Why don't you just do colourless for latest?! Then you keep everyone happy, and make it so nobody is contacting CS! 

    I do not understand why you guys do this......it's so god damn frustrating. 


    1.  They did nothing of the sort.  I and many many other won't be mass pulling from Latest before the deadline.  In fact I'm actually thrilled to do a mass pull from Classics as soon as the new system comes into play.  The mindset of focusing on Latest is instilled into people, but there's no requirement to stick to it.  I suspect there will be a lot of people that will focus more heavily on Classics vs Latest and feel less need to hoard than ever before.  I sure do.
    Power creep necessitates continuing to pursue Latests, if you don’t want to fall behind.  See JJ red vs Pho red for the most blatant recent example (clear as day).  
  • ZeroKarma
    ZeroKarma Posts: 513 Critical Contributor
    Brigby said:
    The rockett said:
    Brigby said:
    nycjonny said:
    Brigby are the swaps that happen to another LL when and if you have an LL character at 550 also ending? 
    As of right now, we do not plan to continue any cover exchange policies following the 27th.
    So this will never be me, but there are enough 550 players out there now that this doesn’t make sense.  If you have 550/530/520 you will not be able to move those covers from the 550 to your 530?  Then what do you do with them?  Sell them for Iso you don’t need?  Build a dupe for nothing?  What are they to do with them once they are 550 and get a dupe?  
    I'll certainly discuss it with the rest of the team, since I know that scenario is not something the Saved Covers feature was designed to address. It may end up being something we want to temporarily keep available, until we find a more permanent solution to that concern, but regardless, I'll be sure to pass that feedback along. Thanks!

    That would be a massive blow to the game. I can only give insight to what I see in terms of purchasing. There are buy clubs that are organized to take advantage of the bonus CP that can be gained from a purchase of a Stark. In my view, these are necessary for advanced players, because you hit a certain point in the game where $100 doesn't buy you very much in terms of utility. 

    Think about it. You used to be able to spend $100 and get all the covers for a 4* in the past. It did let you jump to the top of the meta, and I can see why it was bad for the game....when you could do it so cheaply. Being able to buy progression is a hallmark of all F2P games, however, since it keeps them alive either through micro-transactions or through the whaliest of whales. 

    Fast forward to now. $100 gets you two 40-packs during the off-season. If you got 8 4* covers you would be a lucky person, and they would be randomly spaced out. Just really not worth it. 

    The buy clubs are organized because the only currency of any value in the game for veterans is command points, and the only way to get them in a meaningful quantity is with 20 people spending $100 apiece in the same alliance. And if you take a look at many of the people participating in those clubs you will see that they already have 550's on their rosters. 

    So you see people spending large amounts of money on this game, and the only items that they care about any longer are getting more 550's. This is exceptionally hard to do unless you are able to cover swap and pull whenever a new character enters tokens. 

    That money is going to flat out stop coming in, and the engine that drives the buy clubs, and brings others into the buy clubs will cease to exist. Perhaps that doesn't matter to some, but people that have been around a while will feel the effect even if others don't and it will cascade. 

    Of course, my assumption is that those swaps will continue. Because it would be an unreasonably dumb thing to end something that keeps top spenders spending. 
  • tiomono
    tiomono Posts: 1,654 Chairperson of the Boards
    PenniesForEveryone said:
    I agree that 5:1 is too high - not in a "it's not fair, I'm a millennial and I'm entitled to 1:1" - but within the context of the game economy....

    For a Latest at 5% (1:20) getting 5 extra covers is going to be 100 pulls or 2500 CP on average.  Buying a cover outright is only 720 CP.  So realistically no one should ever actually covert 5 to 1, you'd be better off spending the 720 CP for that one than flushing 100 pulls.

    For a Classic it gets real stupid with 22 of them in there and the odds being 0.68% for one (1:150 almost) we are talking 733 pulls for 5 or almost 15k CP.

    So the 5:1 is meaningless to me as I'll never use it anyway, and the ability to bank covers from other tiers should really improve my QoL in terms of roster management and farming.  Personally I welcome this change.
    You cannot spend 720 to buy a cover you have 0 in. You now have an option to not be stuck at 5-5-0 which is rare but extremely frustrating. The only other way to address this before was hero for hire which was also a slow turnaround for a specific color of a specific character. Now we have a new option in game without having to deal with customer support.
  • Quebbster
    Quebbster Posts: 8,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    PenniesForEveryone said:
    I agree that 5:1 is too high - not in a "it's not fair, I'm a millennial and I'm entitled to 1:1" - but within the context of the game economy....

    For a Latest at 5% (1:20) getting 5 extra covers is going to be 100 pulls or 2500 CP on average.  Buying a cover outright is only 720 CP.  So realistically no one should ever actually covert 5 to 1, you'd be better off spending the 720 CP for that one than flushing 100 pulls.

    Spending 720 CP doesn't give you the other 95 pulls you would have gotten spending 2500 CP on tokens though - that's on average 5 covers each for the other two fivestars in Latest and 85 fourstar covers.
  • Chipster22
    Chipster22 Posts: 299 Mover and Shaker
    2* and 3* farming just got a bit easier to manage with this change.  I had been starting a 3* dupe when the champed one got around 250 to avoid wasting covers.  The saved covers will make this less of a factor so I might wait until they are max-champed before starting the next one.
  • PenniesForEveryone
    PenniesForEveryone Posts: 294 Mover and Shaker
    Quebbster said:
    PenniesForEveryone said:
    I agree that 5:1 is too high - not in a "it's not fair, I'm a millennial and I'm entitled to 1:1" - but within the context of the game economy....

    For a Latest at 5% (1:20) getting 5 extra covers is going to be 100 pulls or 2500 CP on average.  Buying a cover outright is only 720 CP.  So realistically no one should ever actually covert 5 to 1, you'd be better off spending the 720 CP for that one than flushing 100 pulls.

    Spending 720 CP doesn't give you the other 95 pulls you would have gotten spending 2500 CP on tokens though - that's on average 5 covers each for the other two fivestars in Latest and 85 fourstar covers.
    Good point.  So I guess the 5:1 is fair then???
  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 5,824 Chairperson of the Boards
    This isn't meant to be conspiratorial but just an honest question.  Would the average player feel better if they knew swaps exist for super whales but not anyone else?  Like, imagine you have a 0/5/1 Okoye and pull 6 Yellows after that.  Does it make you feel better or worse to know that some guy who spends a ton can just swap his covers?  Maybe you're OK with it, others would be mad.

    I wouldn't be surprised if 550 dudes can still get swaps.  It makes good business sense.
  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,734 Chairperson of the Boards
    bluewolf said:
    This isn't meant to be conspiratorial but just an honest question.  Would the average player feel better if they knew swaps exist for super whales but not anyone else?  Like, imagine you have a 0/5/1 Okoye and pull 6 Yellows after that.  Does it make you feel better or worse to know that some guy who spends a ton can just swap his covers?  Maybe you're OK with it, others would be mad.

    I wouldn't be surprised if 550 dudes can still get swaps.  It makes good business sense.
    If super whales still got swaps, I would honestly be fine with that. They are one of the reasons this game keeps going and I think they deserve special consideration.

    My question would be, what qualifies someone as a super whale? Spend $500? $2,000? What about someone who makes minimum wage, but spends $100?  To them, that's a huge sum of money. If someone for whom money is no object out-spends them, I can see why they would get upset. It could be seen as punishing people for being poor.

    I think I might be more inclined to go with a system where you earn swaps via the number of days played. If you've played 1600 days, for example, that's incredible loyalty. I wouldn't be opposed to CS throwing that player a bone. Maybe every 365 days you earn a 5* swap? I don't know. They don't have to do swaps at all, really, even at the 5:1 ratio.
  • Roland113
    Roland113 Posts: 298 Mover and Shaker
    I love the timing of this, right after the 'no more enemy cascades' controversy.  It's like they want us to forget about the Teen Jean nerf . . . 

    ;)
  • Magic
    Magic Posts: 1,199 Chairperson of the Boards
    It could be more transparent - spend HP to lower the number of covers need for the swap. That way anybody can buy their way to achieve the swap - be it superwhale or moderate spender or even F2P player. 

    Without the insight on the actual economical state of the game I can't even try to predict how much you would have to pay for 1 on 1 but I am sure the math is there with the devs. 

    I don't think it's a good solution. It's just a transparent solution for the player base. I am still voting to make it 1:1, 1:2 or at least 1:3 in 5* land (other lands are not considered - the change is very good for the 2-3-4 land). 
  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,734 Chairperson of the Boards
    Roland113 said:
    I love the timing of this, right after the 'no more enemy cascades' controversy.  It's like they want us to forget about the Teen Jean nerf . . . 

    ;)
    "Controversy". A "nerf" that likely affects less than half of one percent of games played.
  • brontag1
    brontag1 Posts: 33 Just Dropped In
    I have no problem with them getting rid of customer service being involved with cover swaps.. it always seemed like this should have been fixed with the app.  It worries me the 'saved covers feature' is another hack that won't solve the real problem however.. and how difficult can this really be anyway?  Seems easy, right before any cover is given to the player as a reward do something like the following simple programming solution:

    int rewardCoverColor = initialRewardColor;
    int randomCoverColor = initialRewardColor;
    if (
    for (int i = 0; i<3; i++) {
       int charColor = characterColor[i];              //each one of the 3 colors for a character
       int colorCount = characterColorCount[i];  //the number of covers the user has in that color for the character (0-5)
       if (charColor == rewardCoverColor && colorCount < 5)  {
         randomCoverColor = charColor;
         break;
       }  
       if (colorCount < 5) 
          randomCoverColor = charColor;
    }
    return randomCoverColor;   //returned color will be the picked value, unless >5 covers, then will be one with <5

  • Roland113
    Roland113 Posts: 298 Mover and Shaker
    Sm0keyJ0e said:
    Borstock said:
    Roland113 said:
    I love the timing of this, right after the 'no more enemy cascades' controversy.  It's like they want us to forget about the Teen Jean nerf . . . 

    ;)
    "Controversy". A "nerf" that likely affects less than half of one percent of games played.

    Well I for one got the joke, even if it went over some people's heads...
    LOL, Thanks!  I always hope there are a few out there that will get my humor!

Categories