Eddiemon said: aesthetocyst said: The only criticism I had was the flagrant abuse of the Sophie's Choice* trope. I lost count of how many times characters were forked into a choice of resisting the progress of Thanos' plan and harm to someone they cared about.Thanos threatened Loki with harm to Thor.Witch refused to risk harming Vision by destroying his stone.Thanos threatened Gamora with harm to Nebula.Thanos used Gamora against Starlord.Gamora forked Starlord into promising to kill her.Strange 'bought' Stark's life by giving Thanos a stone.* Probably not the right term for the trope of a villain using someone's personal sentiments against them, demanding that that someone facilitate a much greater harm in order to 'prevent' that villain from inflicting a personal harm against them, e.g., "Hand over the X or your wife gets it!" I think that’s kind of the point with Thanos as a ‘villain’. He didn’t care about hurting people, or beating people. He just did exactly what he needed and the minimum he needed to achieve his objectives. Like you expect a bad guy to get what he wants and then say ‘kill them anyway’. And yet he honoured every commitment.The funny thing though is you left out the culmination of the theme, in that the soul stone put Thanos in exactly the same bind and he chose opposite.I wonder if, with the Mind stone having been Vision and the soul stone’s catch 22, if the stones are going to turn on Thanos.Non sequiter: I was rewatching Avengers at the gym, and I realised that when Thanos sent Loki to fetch the Tessaract for its stone, Loki was carrying the mind stone in his sceptre the whole time. Why didn’t Thanos help himself way back then?
aesthetocyst said: The only criticism I had was the flagrant abuse of the Sophie's Choice* trope. I lost count of how many times characters were forked into a choice of resisting the progress of Thanos' plan and harm to someone they cared about.Thanos threatened Loki with harm to Thor.Witch refused to risk harming Vision by destroying his stone.Thanos threatened Gamora with harm to Nebula.Thanos used Gamora against Starlord.Gamora forked Starlord into promising to kill her.Strange 'bought' Stark's life by giving Thanos a stone.
* Probably not the right term for the trope of a villain using someone's personal sentiments against them, demanding that that someone facilitate a much greater harm in order to 'prevent' that villain from inflicting a personal harm against them, e.g., "Hand over the X or your wife gets it!"
Doc L said: - And seriously, have they not made Thanos now the meta/OP? I don't quite see how they can weave in him not using the gauntlet to fight the Avengers in the last film, when he can kill them with a wave of a hand? I get the gist of what will happen to reverse the story, but I can't see how, without Mephisto or Lady Death, something similar could happen. Will they show the Watchers (as seen in GotG Vol 2)? Or Eternity? I don't know, I'm just worried they're building to something that will be semi-ridiculous. Maybe Gamora's soul will appear to him, as a substitute for Mephisto? I had hoped the Defenders TV series would introduce him, as a demon at the head of the Hand.
aesthetocyst said: Eddiemon said: The fallen characters didn’t die per se. They ceased to exist, which is a form of death without the actual dying bit. Which means the gauntlet should be able to make them exist again without having to rewind time past a death moment. Yep, already foreshadowed that then Drax and Mantis were surreally disassembled .... and reassembled themselves as soon as Thanos left the scene.
Eddiemon said: The fallen characters didn’t die per se. They ceased to exist, which is a form of death without the actual dying bit. Which means the gauntlet should be able to make them exist again without having to rewind time past a death moment.
aesthetocyst said: It is also unclear at what point Thanos had the gauntlet made. There was a gauntlet in Odin's vault, but apparently it was an older model, destroyed along with Asgard, and Hela declared it a fake (retcon ), as Thanos had the dwarves make him one. Was that after Thanos declared he would do it himself, or a long time ago?I think completing the gauntlet was always Thanos' long plan, had the gauntlet made long ago. He wanted to use lackeys to collect the stones, not risk himself until he was omnipotent, but got tired of pawn fails, and decided toss caution aside and reveal himself early, before he had absolute power.
ThaRoadWarrior said: I kind of thought Bucky would have more to do, given he was the stinger at the end of Black Panther and they made such a thing of giving him an arm.
ThaRoadWarrior said: I liked the movie overall. It has a whole lot going on, and they handled that pacing really well. I wasn't expecting Peter Dinklage, so when he showed up that was pretty great.I found it kind of meta-fascinating that they a) took the hulk out of it, and put banner in a hulk-shaped iron man costume b) made it so that Iron Man is the linchpin of saving realityc) added spider-man to the movie and also made him an iron mand) brought back Rhody in his role as b-list Iron Manit's hard not to look at those choices and see them as business decisions: they think we really like Iron Mans (I could personally do with less Iron Mans, but I do acknowledge that Iron Man put these movies on the map), and we really aren't that into the Hulk (I like the Hulk movies more than most people, but I don't think he can carry his own thing either). I was fascinated by how ineffectual Vision and Scarlet Witch were for the bulk of the film, until it was situationally important for SW to be super powerful. I kind of thought Bucky would have more to do, given he was the stinger at the end of Black Panther and they made such a thing of giving him an arm.When is the last time we saw Fury? Winter Soldier? The Winter Soldier tie-in to Agents of Shield?
n25philly said: My prediction:Thanos never actually truly won. Anyone noticed that during the fight with Thanos on Titan at one point we get the glass shattering animation similar to when they went into the mirror universe in the Doctor Strange movie? What if Thanos winning and killing half the universe actually happened in the mirror dimension where the real world can't be effected. We just see Thanos thinking he won while he's really trapped giving everyone time to plan a way to truly defeat him. Probably not, but could make for a very different twist and keep from getting silly with resurrections.
Doc L said: A few other bits and bobs occurred to me, like the mirror universe mentioned above by other posters. It definitely had the glass-shattering bit in there. Also, why was Scarlet Witch a bit useless then suddenly OP? And, a convenience thing here, but if she can destroy an infinity stone, why didn’t she just destroy his Gauntlet?