OSCORP HEROIC - MAY 8-14

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Demiurge_Will wrote:

Sweenz wrote:

None of these take into account the alliances. If I'm in a bracket without the ungodly rubberbanding to "catch up", I'm going to be several thousand points behind even my own alliance leaders, let alone other alliances.

Nah. Rubber-banding doesn't care what bracket you're in.

You're the developer, so you probably know better than me. But definately not how I thought things worked.

This event aside... say the #1 in my bracket had 6000 points and another bracket leader had 9000 points.. my bracket's #1 would still get rubberbanding?

Bowgentle

coffeeandbacon wrote:

3 coffees for sure.... and some bacon if I get the chance.

I read the thread, which is why I haven't posted until now. But it just seems that people are waiting to play even now and that makes no sense to me.... As for those who started and got hit with the nerf mid event - yes, that sucks, but i thought IceIX said that was not a ton of people? And ICE said they were looking into it and you should try and bank what points you can. Speculating on whether this advice is good or not based on a MMR system that is always changing seems.... suboptimal.

People are not waiting to _start_ the event.
The people who are upset are people like me - I started the main last night and wanted to accumulate rubberbanding points overnight because I wanted sleep last night.
When I woke this morning, the nodes were worth half of what I saw when I went to bed, and the leader in my main was sitting at 9000 points.
So there's absolutely no point for me to play this now because I'll _never_ catch up to the main, so I'm not waiting because I wait for rubberbanding, I'm waiting to see if this gets sorted out or whether it doesn't make even more sense to just sit this out.
I'm sure as hell not going to play a sub just for those stupid event tokens which will give me a Bagman, anyway.

kensterr

Bowgentle wrote:

coffeeandbacon wrote:

3 coffees for sure.... and some bacon if I get the chance.

I read the thread, which is why I haven't posted until now. But it just seems that people are waiting to play even now and that makes no sense to me.... As for those who started and got hit with the nerf mid event - yes, that sucks, but i thought IceIX said that was not a ton of people? And ICE said they were looking into it and you should try and bank what points you can. Speculating on whether this advice is good or not based on a MMR system that is always changing seems.... suboptimal.

People are not waiting to _start_ the event.
The people who are upset are people like me - I started the main last night and wanted to accumulate rubberbanding points overnight because I wanted sleep last night.
When I woke this morning, the nodes were worth half of what I saw when I went to bed, and the leader in my main was sitting at 9000 points.
So there's absolutely no point for me to play this now because I'll _never_ catch up to the main, so I'm not waiting because I wait for rubberbanding, I'm waiting to see if this gets sorted out or whether it doesn't make even more sense to just sit this out.
I'm sure as hell not going to play a sub just for those stupid event tokens which will give me a Bagman, anyway.

I would give you one million "likes" if I could

over_clocked

Yup - plenty of people started early. I joined right away, did a a clear, got 3,8k points. Now my main leader with a single 85 character is leading with 10000+ points, I can NEVER catch up. So count me in among those who hope for a reset or something.

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You can catch up if you grind grind grind but that's madness seeing as someone got a easy ride to the same point score.

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beemand2g wrote:

You can catch up if you grind grind grind but that's madness seeing as someone got a easy ride to the same point score.

As noted by others earlier, sure you can catch up, but there's a high likelihood then that scaling will find you and punch in you the teeth.

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Bowgentle wrote:

coffeeandbacon wrote:

3 coffees for sure.... and some bacon if I get the chance.

I read the thread, which is why I haven't posted until now. But it just seems that people are waiting to play even now and that makes no sense to me.... As for those who started and got hit with the nerf mid event - yes, that sucks, but i thought IceIX said that was not a ton of people? And ICE said they were looking into it and you should try and bank what points you can. Speculating on whether this advice is good or not based on a MMR system that is always changing seems.... suboptimal.

People are not waiting to _start_ the event.
The people who are upset are people like me - I started the main last night and wanted to accumulate rubberbanding points overnight because I wanted sleep last night.
When I woke this morning, the nodes were worth half of what I saw when I went to bed, and the leader in my main was sitting at 9000 points.
So there's absolutely no point for me to play this now because I'll _never_ catch up to the main, so I'm not waiting because I wait for rubberbanding, I'm waiting to see if this gets sorted out or whether it doesn't make even more sense to just sit this out.
I'm sure as hell not going to play a sub just for those stupid event tokens which will give me a Bagman, anyway.

What if they gave everyone under 8000 points 6000 free points?

People who jumped ahead are currently playing under the new rule/point set as everyone else. So if you are not playing you are letting them bank even more points on you. At some point I imagine the solution is not a reset but to deal with the skewed points at the begining. Its a 6 day event. The current point system is most.likely the one that will apply for the majority of the event and a fix will deal with the fist however many hours impacted by the change.

Like I said if iceix advises playing the nodes before the loints are lost that seems like valid advice.

Dreylin

Demiurge_Will wrote:

Sweenz wrote:

None of these take into account the alliances. If I'm in a bracket without the ungodly rubberbanding to "catch up", I'm going to be several thousand points behind even my own alliance leaders, let alone other alliances.

Nah. Rubber-banding doesn't care what bracket you're in.

In that case it seems like the points adjustment broke something, because it certainly doesn't sound like we're rubberbanding towards the global leaders at this point....

edit: maybe we're only rubberbanding to the points gained after the adjustment - which would mean we cannot catch up with the early leaders.

edit2: if there was one thing you were going to pop in and say, I think the general population would have preferred something more substantive and focused on the problems at hand. Not complaining personally, just saying.

Xeonic-Ice

I spent the entire Simulator Basics event dying, over and over and over, to get my scaling back to normal. My highest level character at the start was a 130 Punisher and the next highest was 100 Iron man M40. My starting nodes were around 250 just to unlock both easy and hard mode.

I will not be grinding this broken event just to go back to that obscene scaling.

This event needs to be reset and with proper messaging in the pop up explaining to the non forum players.

Unknown

Yeah, this event is pretty farked...

When I started yesterday, the subevent had a global strike total of 20M, which had doubled to 40M by a few hours later.


Current strike total? 400M.


BTW, I was in the first group of people to start the event and I have 5711 right now, after all the raises this morning, putting me at 200 for the event and making it much harder to gain on anyone because my highest scoring node is 354, making it impossible to get anywhere near the 8000 point total of my subevent leader, let alone the 8900 point total of the current overall leader.

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coffeeandbacon wrote:

Like I said if iceix advises playing the nodes before the loints are lost that seems like valid advice.

Maybe it's just me, but I can't help reading that advice as "Suck it up, we don't plan to do anything, if you play now you might still be able to place for a Bullseye cover".

franckynight

I didnt cactch the forum today, too busy to fight the baddest guys in LR and top gun.. i just had a look to my rank pve.. ****???? My main leader sittin at 10000 whereas i got cleared the nodes just once for 4k.. I went crazy and told me im gonna rant on the forum.. What a relief (if i can say) that im not alone..
Demiurge.. Got only one thing to say.. You **** up..

Deimos12

Whoa wait....I can get a bullseye cover?? Screw you work I'm not coming in today! I have some serious grinding to do for the all mighty bullseye!!! /sarcasm

Dreylin

Moghwyn wrote:

coffeeandbacon wrote:

Like I said if iceix advises playing the nodes before the loints are lost that seems like valid advice.

Maybe it's just me, but I can't help reading that advice as "Suck it up, we don't plan to do anything, if you play now you might still be able to place for a Bullseye cover".

Meh, I read it the opposite way: you may as well play now because if we a) reset the event, you get extra stuff; or b) apply some fix, then it's probably a bad idea to lose out on a refresh worth of points.

I actually think that the new structure is going to make playing each refresh more important in general, but that may be just because of how the borked points look right now.

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Dreylin wrote:

Meh, I read it the opposite way: you may as well play now because if we a) reset the event, you get extra stuff; or b) apply some fix, then it's probably a bad idea to lose out on a refresh worth of points.

I've got the choice between grinding on Heroic or trying to undo all the tinykitty I was subjected to on Top Gun... Top Gun is the easy choice for my attention because the payoff is much higher and the end is much closer.

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Demiurge_Will wrote:

Nah. Rubber-banding doesn't care what bracket you're in.

It doesn't? IceIX just gave us this bit of information a few hours ago:

IceIX wrote:

Rubber banding for sub events isn't a pure 100% relation to the sub bracket overall leader. If it was you could somewhat easily run into a situation where a new bracket was created when the high score was 1000 but the bracket went unfilled and not pushed efficiently, then a new user joins the bracket and slingshots to 2500 because that bracket was "weak". To prevent this, each sub has somewhat muted relations to the overall sub bracket leader. That's why you wouldn't see the 2500/3000 player being able to gain 6500 points to reach the same as the main bracket leader.

Which one is correct now? You do sync with each other when it gets to designing game mechanics, right?

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FoxyMulder wrote:

At this point, it seems unlikely that they'll do a reset.

And if that's true, I honestly think the best solution is to give everyone participates free 3* Daken covers.

As people have mentioned, that's basically what they did for the Hulk event. (As well as for the Ares event, although he's only a 2*.) People feel cheated. We're all after fairness, but we're all also after Daken. And I'm pretty sure that 99% of us would chill out if we were guaranteed Daken covers.

You are right. We all want Daken

(Courtesy of TheUnwiseOne)

Hi DemiurgeWill!

Dreylin

Teke184 wrote:

Dreylin wrote:

Meh, I read it the opposite way: you may as well play now because if we a) reset the event, you get extra stuff; or b) apply some fix, then it's probably a bad idea to lose out on a refresh worth of points.

I've got the choice between grinding on Heroic or trying to undo all the buttrape I was subjected to on Top Gun... Top Gun is the easy choice for my attention because the payoff is much higher and the end is much closer.

Completely agree. Plus the Ragnarok PvP should be starting soon as well, so we'll have that fun event to distract us too....

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Dreylin wrote:

Demiurge_Will wrote:

Sweenz wrote:

None of these take into account the alliances. If I'm in a bracket without the ungodly rubberbanding to "catch up", I'm going to be several thousand points behind even my own alliance leaders, let alone other alliances.

Nah. Rubber-banding doesn't care what bracket you're in.

In that case it seems like the points adjustment broke something, because it certainly doesn't sound like we're rubberbanding towards the global leaders at this point....

edit: maybe we're only rubberbanding to the points gained after the adjustment - which would mean we cannot catch up with the early leaders.

edit2: if there was one thing you were going to pop in and say, I think the general population would have preferred something more substantive and focused on the problems at hand. Not complaining personally, just saying.

In a nutshell, the scenario is this:

-- Devs try new timing mechanics to avoid the dreaded 12AM/6PM EST event ending times. Great!
-- First sub under this new structure opens - Oscorp City. Devs unfortunately underestimate the number of points players would earn on the first day of the event. City sub tracks to close within 6-7 hours of opening.
-- In response, devs half the node points and double the required score of the City Sub to compensate for player activity.
-- The result is that players that started early received the benefit of the accelerated points, while later players are only receiving half credit. Because of this change, early players are effectively one FULL 12-hour cycle ahead of everyone else. Per how rubberbanding works, as long as these players full clear the City sub on every cycle (which is quite plausible currently), they benefit from a lead that is insurmountable for the sub as rubberbanding cannot overcome perfect clears.


The 64,000 ISO question: Does this matter in long run?

Answer: Devs know "on paper", but we don't as players. As IceIX stated, there are repeatable global rubberbanded nodes on the main map (probably the tower). IF there are sufficient nodes on the tower with high point values (likely given previous Heroic Oscorp) and IF there is sufficient time for multiple cycles to respawn point to evaporate the lead from the City sub and IF scaling reaches a point where the tower nodes cannot (or should not) be perfect cleared by the leaders, then no changes are needed as the problem will work itself out.

But... that's a lot of IFs that need to all become valid in harmony at once.

All that said, if any of the players that received the benefit of the accelerated points continue to perfect clear nodes on each cycle, then catching them is mathematically impossible and throws the entire event given the sensitivity of placement on upper-tier placement rewards. Given that the early players on events are often among the most hardcore, the potential of this scenario occurring is surely non-zero.

So... what is the lesser of the evils here? Is it possible for Demiurge to tweak the global repeatable nodes to address this problem later in the event without the nuclear option? Going nuclear probably throws their entire schedule/pipeline out of whack for at least the next week, which is highly undesirable for them. Tough call, honestly.

Demiurge_Will

Sweenz wrote:

Demiurge_Will wrote:

Nah. Rubber-banding doesn't care what bracket you're in.

You're the developer, so you probably know better than me. But definately not how I thought things worked.

This event aside... say the #1 in my bracket had 6000 points and another bracket leader had 9000 points.. my bracket's #1 would still get rubberbanding?

That's right.

It used to be per-bracket, but we changed that a while back (in January, if I'm remembering right).