OSCORP HEROIC - MAY 8-14

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nobody1111 wrote:

you know the real solution to the points issue would have been to INCREASE the points given by each node to he point that those who gotten the early points didn't get any advantage, and maybe increase the goal to suit (Which seems they already did).
but I guess that would screw up the progression rewards

Actually, the real solution would have been to not REDUCE the points given, which is what they did when they increased the goal. But, as you say, that would have blown up progression. So apparently it was preferable to cause this mess, rather than risk many people getting some extra ISO and a 3* Wolv card.

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Zhadow wrote:

HairyDave wrote:

I had exactly that problem in The Hunt. After the first round of subs rolled through my starting nodes were all above 150 (which is tough but not impossible for a team of L125's) so I was basically banging my head against the wall to get anything done. Every node would kill me at least once no matter who I threw at it.

On the upside it seems to have reset my personal scaling to something far more reasonable now.

I wish they where in 150 cause with max cap and mn mags it would be doable. Nodes are in the 190s for me at the start, before any play. Pve gods have deemed, thou shalt not play. Do not know if that is a good idea thou, since I have seen mentioned mmr is only adjusted by play... So ... Do I need to lose a ton? Will that even work? I just do not know what I need to do so I can be back to a reasonable level again. Wouldn't intentionally losing be considered a exploit? Again not sure what to do.

Retreating effectiveness has apparently been lowered in the last few pves, so it's better to just let your roster get wiped a few times entirely. After a while your levels should go down. There seems to be some delay before you see it, but I might be imagining it. I haven't started this one yet, but worked for me in the last couple pves.

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So I joined early (very), and did one clear right away before going to sleep to get some rewards out before scaling gets out of control.

Now I stand like this: have 1610 points in main, 1420 is Sub

Main: #788/1000, 1st: 8271
Sub: #172/200, 1st: 7719

My top node is worth 391 points.

I am VERY sceptical that I can catch up, certainly not in the SUB, and I have doubts about the main as well.

HairyDave

Interruptor wrote:

Zhadow wrote:

HairyDave wrote:

I had exactly that problem in The Hunt. After the first round of subs rolled through my starting nodes were all above 150 (which is tough but not impossible for a team of L125's) so I was basically banging my head against the wall to get anything done. Every node would kill me at least once no matter who I threw at it.

On the upside it seems to have reset my personal scaling to something far more reasonable now.

I wish they where in 150 cause with max cap and mn mags it would be doable. Nodes are in the 190s for me at the start, before any play. Pve gods have deemed, thou shalt not play. Do not know if that is a good idea thou, since I have seen mentioned mmr is only adjusted by play... So ... Do I need to lose a ton? Will that even work? I just do not know what I need to do so I can be back to a reasonable level again. Wouldn't intentionally losing be considered a exploit? Again not sure what to do.

Retreating effectiveness has apparently been lowered in the last few pves, so it's better to just let your roster get wiped a few times entirely. After a while your levels should go down. There seems to be some delay before you see it, but I might be imagining it. I haven't started this one yet, but worked for me in the last couple pves.

Getting wiped might not be necessary but taking buttloads of damage certainly seems to have helped me out.

NorthernPolarity

HairyDave wrote:

Interruptor wrote:

Zhadow wrote:

HairyDave wrote:

I had exactly that problem in The Hunt. After the first round of subs rolled through my starting nodes were all above 150 (which is tough but not impossible for a team of L125's) so I was basically banging my head against the wall to get anything done. Every node would kill me at least once no matter who I threw at it.

On the upside it seems to have reset my personal scaling to something far more reasonable now.

I wish they where in 150 cause with max cap and mn mags it would be doable. Nodes are in the 190s for me at the start, before any play. Pve gods have deemed, thou shalt not play. Do not know if that is a good idea thou, since I have seen mentioned mmr is only adjusted by play... So ... Do I need to lose a ton? Will that even work? I just do not know what I need to do so I can be back to a reasonable level again. Wouldn't intentionally losing be considered a exploit? Again not sure what to do.

Retreating effectiveness has apparently been lowered in the last few pves, so it's better to just let your roster get wiped a few times entirely. After a while your levels should go down. There seems to be some delay before you see it, but I might be imagining it. I haven't started this one yet, but worked for me in the last couple pves.

Getting wiped might not be necessary but taking buttloads of damage certainly seems to have helped me out.

You basically want to aim for taking at least 1 character's hp worth in damage every node you play. My current strategy is to run Patch, level 1 M. Storm, level 6 MN Mags. Build enough AP to berzerker, and then let MN Mags/M. Storm tank hits after to instant kill them, and then Patch the entire enemy team to death. All my nodes are 50-70 right now so this has been working pretty effectively.

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Guys guys guys, I think we all overlook the real truth about this debacle. Not being able to ever catch up to first place is just another new handicap/restriction for Heroics now!
And you thought Heroics were hard before! *rimshot*

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Hmm. I just started this morning and while I agree the points are a bit low, I'm not sure they're completely untenable?

After playing the available nodes in main, clearing the sub once + essential and two more again, I'm now
#23 at 5399 points in main (1st: 6828)
#6 at 4764 points in sub (1st: 6194, funnily the same player as in my main)

So I needed to play a few more nodes than just one clear. By playing a bunch more I'd probably go to #3 or #2 in my sub and top ten in main. Couldn't catch up to #1, but then they seem to be serious about grinding down those nodes. A bit more grindy than the received forum wisdom, but not by much. Of course if one's only goal is to place #1 and everything else is worthless, I could see how this would be problematic. I'm more worried about the hard-to-predict ending time. But at least there might be some variation and some times that are actually advantageous for me, even though the main event has a US ending. AGAIN. Could we have a Europe-friendly main ending for once please?

As always with heroics my main concern is the limited roster. I'm basically stuck with mStorm and MNThor. Don't have Psylocke or IM40 and my Patch sits at one red cover. I'm taking Cap along for some pitiful stunning and a bit of tanking, but I'm still coming out with pretty bad damage out of every fight Prologue healing, here I come.

Tharos

I am really happy to have decided to slow down a lot pve events after previous simulator.

I did each node once yesterday (12 hours ago), not long after this event started: I am #580 on the main (3500 points, leader at 9000) and #145 in the sub (3000 points, leader at 8000).
Suppose the points shown won't reduce as I go nearer the leader (but we all know it does not work like that): by adding all potential points shown, I can go to 5400 points in the sub!.. More realistically, with the rubberbanding reducing points nearer from the top, I suppose that I may need 3 full clear to reach 6500/7000 points... Far from the top, and then, rage one more time on my crazy scaling (which is not insane yet).

Really, I am glad I no longer take all this too seriously, or I would have been very upset for this 3* daken.
Good luck to the ones competiting for him!

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NorthernPolarity wrote:

You basically want to aim for taking at least 1 character's hp worth in damage every node you play. My current strategy is to run Patch, level 1 M. Storm, level 6 MN Mags. Build enough AP to berzerker, and then let MN Mags/M. Storm tank hits after to instant kill them, and then Patch the entire enemy team to death. All my nodes are 50-70 right now so this has been working pretty effectively.

Mine are currently slightly higher - Rampage is sitting at lvl 82 and I am fairly sure I could grind the hell out of the event and pull myself into top 100 and maybe even top 20 - don't care about sub rewards - but its going to TOTALLY destroy my scaling for all the events to come.

The people I feel sorry for are those that would normally be on the cusp of top 100 playing as well as they can put fail to make it due to this change and hence being locked out of the next event because they have no Daken Classic and cannot do the essential nodes.

I am working on the assumption that they not going to restart the event - It would help me out if they did - but we will know for sure in about 8 to 12 hours as no way they will let the event run on over the weekend and then reset it. I hope they have their sums right this time and people can catch up if they play more/smarter than the horde in front of them but looking at the last few events where they greatly under estimated the amount of point for a winning score that's not certain.

Currently 199 in main on 5850 points some 3400 behind the leader (9259) as I said don't care about the sub.

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If I compare this to last event where I missed nearly one whole day with subs ending. And it took me rest of event to dig up myself from 200 place to 75 in main. Then I dont see it real, to ever catch up here without screwing my scalling.

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Carthl wrote:

Hmm. I just started this morning and while I agree the points are a bit low, I'm not sure they're completely untenable?

After playing the available nodes in main, clearing the sub once + essential and two more again, I'm now
#23 at 5399 points in main (1st: 6828)
#6 at 4764 points in sub (1st: 6194, funnily the same player as in my main)

So I needed to play a few more nodes than just one clear. By playing a bunch more I'd probably go to #3 or #2 in my sub and top ten in main. Couldn't catch up to #1, but then they seem to be serious about grinding down those nodes. A bit more grindy than the received forum wisdom, but not by much. Of course if one's only goal is to place #1 and everything else is worthless, I could see how this would be problematic.

Well, you ended up in a bracket where everybody plays under the same rules, so your chances for first place are the same as for everybody else in that bracket. Quite a lot of us ended up in brackets where early players received tripple points, basically giving them an extra 10k points to start with. Even seriously grinding down nodes doesn't help, there's just not enough points on the table to catch up.

kensterr

Zhadow wrote:

At least most of you can play. Since I did too "well" in the last event my opening subs are above what I can do. I can not even do a opening clear.

I do not even care about how I place, I just want to be able to play the nodes at least once. I can not even imagine what they will be like later in the event since they are near unplayable at the start for me.

For the record I have no maxed out three star characters, my highest character is a level eighty nine punisher. Everyone else is below eighty five by a large margin. I do have every single two star character maxed thou save for bagman, darken, and hawk eye modern since I am missing covers for them.

I just want to be able to participate.

Did you grind all the nodes in the previous PVE? What is your roster like?

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Moghwyn wrote:

Well, you ended up in a bracket where everybody plays under the same rules, so your chances for first place are the same as for everybody else in that bracket. Quite a lot of us ended up in brackets where early players received tripple points, basically giving them an extra 10k points to start with. Even seriously grinding down nodes doesn't help, there's just not enough points on the table to catch up.

I see, fair point. Still those people who joined those early brackets had the same chance of getting those 10k points as everyone else who joined at the same time, barring RL time constraints.

I wonder if it would be possible to recalculate everyone's points to what they would have been if the node values had been at their current level from the start. That would put everyone on the same page again and make catching up with the current nodes possible. Of course people would get to keep their progression rewards.

But I suspect we won't get an answer for a few more hours at least, considering the time zones.

morgh

Lawl so not only am I effectively locked out of the event with levels from 160 to 242, but also they lowered the point value of all the nodes by 2-3 times, which means that even by playing perfectly (with my level 51 patch) and doing some nodes with lot of wipes/deaths/health-pack usage, I will NOT be able to catch up at all during this event, since I am at ~4-5k points and the main leader is at 10.000
Looks like rubberbanding has been completely disabled in this event too - otherwise I cannot see how there is no rubberbanding with me ~6.000 points behind and nodes being worth from 80 to 400

Let me emphasize this:
What
A
Splendid
Job
Developers
/golfclap

(and no - I could not get that 10k points at the start, since I was out of playable heroes and health packs after being wiped 3 times in the main event by level 160 Daken)

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Gotta admit, I do kinda enjoy the way D3 keeps finding new ways to screw us over, intentionally or not. First there was the boost price changes (that they've still not fixed despite assurances they would), then the community scaling getting out of hand, then our personal scaling. Then they add level 400 enemies, and now they change the point totals in the middle of an event screwing over everyone who didn't grind the nodes down to 1 during the first few hours. Not to mention the problems during the Hulk re-run where a lot of players got the free Hulk inside the first 20 minutes of the event. If the lesson is to learn from your mistakes, the D3 devs must be incredibly smart by now.

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Carthl wrote:

I see, fair point. Still those people who joined those early brackets had the same chance of getting those 10k points as everyone else who joined at the same time, barring RL time constraints.

Nope, once the mission point values were reduced the trap was set. The brackets still remained open, just with much less points available for all new players. If you happened to play your first mission shortly afterwards you might as well skip the next week, will win you the same amount of top placement rewards.

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Let me share my personal experience here :

1) Decided to level Patch up this week (up to 132). Was at first disapointed, but hey, what a good idea
2) Did not play much in the last PvE as prizing was not so sexy for me, just played for the alliance
3) Just saw the Daken Event starting while I was playing a LR. Opened the main node and sub, and could see the quests were grey, and enemies at very low levels. So, decided to play and gather as much ISO and many points as possible. Could do the sub 3 times (27 quests) in 2 hours, without using any single Health Pack. I even had to play Top Gun and LR to use them

I could see that something was going on, as the progression bar was progressing very quickly.

And then, the points went down as low as 8 for each quest. So I figured it was time to wait for a refresh. The points went up to 80, and haven't changed in the last 8 hours. Now I am sinking in the global rankings, with no hope to make it Top 25 as yet...

I wonder what happens next.

About D3P and developers : this game is TERRIBLY expensive if you want to play competitive and did not join in the early hours (started in late January). I now have a pretty nice roster, but the amount invested is ludicrous for an online game. The rubberbanding, MMR and so forth is SOOOO bad. You are not rewarded for playing a lot and investing a lot : YOU ARE BEING PUNISHED. What kind of strategy is that ???

EDIT : now I can get up to 192 points per quest in the sub. Still not enough to go up again in the ranking.

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Carthl wrote:

But I suspect we won't get an answer for a few more hours at least, considering the time zones.

I'm afraid we already got the answer, they won't do anything and just proceed as if everything went well. They didn't say so directly, just hinted at it strong enough for those who know how to read between the lines to brace themselves for the blow. There's no way they'll cancel or reconfigure the event now that it has run this long.

Bowgentle

Moghwyn wrote:

Carthl wrote:

But I suspect we won't get an answer for a few more hours at least, considering the time zones.

I'm afraid we already got the answer, they won't do anything and just proceed as if everything went well. They didn't say so directly, just hinted at it strong enough for those who know how to read between the lines to brace themselves for the blow. There's no way they'll cancel or reconfigure the event now that it has run this long.

Yup.
I think the best we can hope for is an immediate rerun.
If they wanted to do something, they could have just cancelled the whole event yesterday and started again today.

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Bowgentle wrote:

Moghwyn wrote:

Carthl wrote:

But I suspect we won't get an answer for a few more hours at least, considering the time zones.

I'm afraid we already got the answer, they won't do anything and just proceed as if everything went well. They didn't say so directly, just hinted at it strong enough for those who know how to read between the lines to brace themselves for the blow. There's no way they'll cancel or reconfigure the event now that it has run this long.

Yup.
I think the best we can hope for is an immediate rerun.
If they wanted to do something, they could have just cancelled the whole event yesterday and started again today.

I don't even think they rerun the event - not like people like the very limited rosters of heroics - They just postpone the next PvE event needing Daken for 2.5 days while they run a PvP that give out his covers and say anyone that missed out on covers in the PvE can still get them in the PvP event problem solved