MPQ Sneak Peek: October 2017 Edition *Updated (10/26/17)

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  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards
    Welcome Death said:
    @Brigby - since there was no preview at all about 5* being buffed for pve (real buffs) or gambit being real buffed by 100 levels because hes new....i have to ask, how long does the buff last?  A few weeks? A month?  Until the next 5* goes into tokens?  Also, are there any weekly 5* buffs coming to combat it, or are players expected to drop $100/day to keep up and champ every latest on day 1?

    What, you don't enjoy fighting 96K health Gambit in PVP for 4 weeks straight?
  • Meander
    Meander Posts: 267 Mover and Shaker
    Bowgentle said:
    My god how many more times are you going to run Meet Rocket And Groot?

    Run Heroics if you need a 3 day event, those are perfect for that.
    Agree.  I'm all for limited roster heroics,  or even unlimited roster heroics to come back
  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 5,848 Chairperson of the Boards
    Bowgentle said:
    My god how many more times are you going to run Meet Rocket And Groot?

    Run Heroics if you need a 3 day event, those are perfect for that.
    But it's the 3 day version.  Totally different from the 4 day version.  At least everyone won't complain about missing iso for a day.

    Heroics are slightly different, but the limited roster aspect was tossed before they retired them, so they just are a different "story" with the same exact Dark Avengers foes as many other events.

    I would surmise that they run things based on what has the most engagement.  Heroics had a very bad rep among many players and were probably skipped a lot.

    I would prefer they develop some new PVE (I can dream, right?).
  • Milk Jugz
    Milk Jugz Posts: 1,122 Chairperson of the Boards
    mexus said:
    I have played the game for a year, give or take (give I guess since it's a year + some weeks)
    And I don't know if I ever seen one of these "Heroics" stories. Or have I? What makes them special?
    Limited rosters. You can only use the boosted characters d3 decides you can use.
  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 5,848 Chairperson of the Boards
    mexus said:
    I have played the game for a year, give or take (give I guess since it's a year + some weeks)
    And I don't know if I ever seen one of these "Heroics" stories. Or have I? What makes them special?
    Before they just stopped running them, they removed the one thing that made them special:  You could only play with the boosted list (and essentials).  No one else.  So, for example, you could not have sped through the trivials with Brocket, Gamora, and Medusa, unless all were boosted and essential.

    Most people hated them.  5* players loved them because PVE scaling became manageable for 3-4 days.  Then the devs removed the roster restriction, scaling went back through the stratosphere for 5* rosters, and much complaining ensued.  (OK, different complaining from 5* folks vs the many folks who hated having a limited roster to use.)  "Normal" players were happy with the roster restriction removal, of course.

    So basically, they were events that divided the opinion of the playerbase pretty strongly.

    They ran unlimited roster Heroic events around 3-6 times then just stopped.  Again, I'm sure many players didn't like them.

    Now SCL scaling has made PVE much better.  The Heroic events had a story that was a little different if you cared to read them, but were of course basically, "Fight the Dark Avengers!".  They could run them again, but it would not be dramatically different to play than the repeats they run currently.
  • Quebbster
    Quebbster Posts: 8,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    bluewolf said:
    Bowgentle said:
    My god how many more times are you going to run Meet Rocket And Groot?

    Run Heroics if you need a 3 day event, those are perfect for that.
    But it's the 3 day version.  Totally different from the 4 day version.  At least everyone won't complain about missing iso for a day.
    People might complain because they thought the middle sub was 48 hours and missed out on the end grind though...
  • Blindman13
    Blindman13 Posts: 504 Critical Contributor
    bluewolf said:

    The Heroic events had a story that was a little different if you cared to read them, but were of course basically, "Fight the Dark Avengers!".  They could run them again, but it would not be dramatically different to play than the repeats they run currently.
    The stories were pulled from the Prologue events. You would have to do a few nodes on a main page to open the daily sub page that had a more in-depth story than what you got in the prologue.

    Limited rosters were great for those lucky/dedicated enough to have everyone rostered. It sucked for a new player with a very limited roster. Scaring off your new players by telling them they cant participate for 3-4 days tends to make it difficult to expand your player base. That said, I miss the variety. Seems like they could bring them back, and allow all 1* and 2* so everyone can play. Limiting only the 3*-5* rosters will add the challenge and variety many of us miss.
  • zodiac339
    zodiac339 Posts: 1,948 Chairperson of the Boards
    For Heroics, “The story being a little different” means it’s the Prologue missions. With many being finished with Prologue and now locked out of it, there’s another reason to ask for the Heroic: Prologue stories to run. There were some character additions to Heroics from Prologue, such as Carnage being added to Heroic: Venom, and other villains like Mystique, Magneto, and Doctor Octopus. Maybe Devs are working on things and will add some of the newer villains to those stories. Maybe by replacing Juggernaut outside of Heroic: Juggernaut. And replacing Juggernaut in Heroic: Juggernaut.
    I hated them when the rosters were mostly locked out. It usually meant struggling to find someone to fill a color role, since only one or two of the available characters had a power in a given color. Depending on roster development, you ended up having to dip into your available 2*s for a given color, and like what was mentioned above, character synergy often didn’t exist (Grocket available, but no other Guardians. Carnage available, but not Medusa). Those synergies didn’t actually exist then, but some heroes went together better than others. There was a rare case when both X-Force characters were available at the same time, leading to joyous Countdown for What/Surgical Strike combo kills, but that was the exeption.
  • zodiac339
    zodiac339 Posts: 1,948 Chairperson of the Boards
    Blindman13 said:
    Limiting only the 3*-5* rosters will add the challenge and variety many of us miss.
    Oh right. With the new 5* required mission, limiting roster gets even worse. Big players with big 5* Champs would look at it and go, “I can only use this 1 of my 6 Epic Champs for all three days?” (Rage post ensues)
  • Blindman13
    Blindman13 Posts: 504 Critical Contributor
    zodiac339 said:
    Blindman13 said:
    Limiting only the 3*-5* rosters will add the challenge and variety many of us miss.
    Oh right. With the new 5* required mission, limiting roster gets even worse. Big players with big 5* Champs would look at it and go, “I can only use this 1 of my 6 Epic Champs for all three days?” (Rage post ensues)
    I didn't say everyone would be happy; just many people. It's probably impossible for them to make any kind of change to the game and not have it upset someone.
  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,342 Chairperson of the Boards
    Heroics seemed to run quite often when I started playing and the forum would often groan but I guess I "grew up with them" in a MPQ sense so they seemed normal. As a player then it was very much luck of the draw as to how far you could get. Now I probably have a wide enough roster it would be interesting to play them again.
  • madoctor
    madoctor Posts: 292 Mover and Shaker
    Why haven't there been any Heroics recently though? Did they retire them?
  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards
    madoctor said:
    Why haven't there been any Heroics recently though? Did they retire them?
    They stopped running them right when they were getting fun for 5* rosters.
    They did two or so after they removed the restrictions and made them the same hell as normal PVP for high end players, then they disappeared.

    With fixed enemy levels now would be a good time to return them to the rotation instead of running Meet Rocket and Groot for the 25th time in 2017.
  • MPQ_Daywalker
    MPQ_Daywalker Posts: 384 Mover and Shaker
    Bowgentle said:
    madoctor said:
    Why haven't there been any Heroics recently though? Did they retire them?
    They stopped running them right when they were getting fun for 5* rosters.
    They did two or so after they removed the restrictions and made them the same hell as normal PVP for high end players, then they disappeared.

    With fixed enemy levels now would be a good time to return them to the rotation instead of running Meet Rocket and Groot for the 25th time in 2017.
    Just slight hyperbole there.  Meet Rocket & Groot has run 7 times in 2017, including this upcoming run.  So less than once a month.  It's run 5 times since Heroics stopped.  That is the same number of times that Deadpool Vs. MPQ, Hearts of Darkness, and The Hunt have run since Heroics stopped. 

    I created a spreadsheet to track the PVE events; link is here.  The "PVE Events" tab has the stats by event, the "PVE History" tab has the date each event started on this year.  

    They are running the events on a rotation schedule.  It's not a strict rotation; some events pop up a little earlier than you'd expect, but it's roughly accurate.  For example, for the next 4-day event, following Meet Rocket & Groot, the likeliest possibilities are Venom Bomb (last run 9/21) and Unstable Iso-8 (last run 9/25).  This can be seen on the "Next Event Prediction" tab.  Another remote possibility is if they change Strange Sights to be a 4-day event; that one hasn't run since 8/31.

  • madoctor
    madoctor Posts: 292 Mover and Shaker
    Last Heroic to run was in March 2017...Hmmm...So they were permanently dropped.
  • The rockett
    The rockett Posts: 2,016 Chairperson of the Boards
    @Brigby so D3/Demi just made Meet Rockett and Groot a 3 day event from a 4 day event by removing the 48 hr sub to make this event now end within 1 hr of pvp this weekend.  Again another overlap that was done on purpose.  Please explain.  
  • Quebbster
    Quebbster Posts: 8,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    The rockett said:
    @Brigby so D3/Demi just made Meet Rockett and Groot a 3 day event from a 4 day event by removing the 48 hr sub to make this event now end within 1 hr of pvp this weekend.  Again another overlap that was done on purpose.  Please explain.  


    Personally I like it quite a bit. I don't need to keep track of which sub is the 48 hour one when there isn't one, we don't get the rewards lag from the 48 hour sub, and when the event ends on a Sunday night I can pick a slightly better slice with a slightly worse end time since I don't need to do the initial grind afterwards.

    Now we just need some more true fourday events...

  • The rockett
    The rockett Posts: 2,016 Chairperson of the Boards
    Quebbster said:
    The rockett said:
    @Brigby so D3/Demi just made Meet Rockett and Groot a 3 day event from a 4 day event by removing the 48 hr sub to make this event now end within 1 hr of pvp this weekend.  Again another overlap that was done on purpose.  Please explain.  


    Personally I like it quite a bit. I don't need to keep track of which sub is the 48 hour one when there isn't one, we don't get the rewards lag from the 48 hour sub, and when the event ends on a Sunday night I can pick a slightly better slice with a slightly worse end time since I don't need to do the initial grind afterwards.

    Now we just need some more true fourday events...

    I have mixed feelings about 48hr subs.  it a nice break of the everyday grind, but I like the 24hr sub rewards.  My point is that it seems this move was made to take away a known 48hr sub and make it a 24hr sub to have the PVE and PVP end 1 hr apart.  That is my point with this. 

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