Are people really ok with the required 5* node in SCL7 and SCL8?

dragonreader

I like it and I am pretty much still in 3 star land.  I have just one 5* (Star-Lord) but I think it's a great idea.  In fact the first event with it had star-lord as the essential and with only one cover I was able to complete the mission a few times and got good rewards.    

tiomono

TheHungryPet said:

Calnexin said:

It just affects placement, and a little extra rewards from the node itself.  You still won't be able to get top placement against rosters with champed 5*s.  Your placement will likely drop a bit on the events where you don't have the 5*, but it's not like you go from an LT to nothing.  Most likely you lose out on a 3* cover and an elite token going from T50 to T100 in SCL7.  If you're used to taking a T10 slot without every rostered character, then congratulations, but you'll just have to wait until the next event and let someone else move into that spot for this one.  Not everyone has to be equal, and a little fluctuation in the leaderboard based on luck isn't necessarily a bad thing.  If #11 gets to #10 because someone sold or boycotted Oc, let them have it.

I look at it not as a slight to people who aren't lucky, but as a bonus to the people willing to roster the undesirable 5* and don't hoard to avoid drawing them.  It also favors vet players who've been collecting longer.  

I would argue the situation really depends on your roster development. Dropping from T50 to T100 means missing out on a lot of HP. For guys who still suffer the roster crunch, this is significant hit. I used to cycle between SCL7 and SCL8 depending on the event, now I drop to SCL6. The issue is not my roster strength, but the constant HP crunch.

Please consider the HP as a loss as well in your assessment which is a critical resource for all who still have a lot of 4* to roster. I joined the game late just after vaulting got introduced so I'm still catching up with the massive pool of 4*.

On the bright side, dropping to SCL6 has drastically improved my quality of life due to faster clears. 

One are of improvement I see as already pointed out by many others: Please indicate which characters are required when signing up for a PVE event. 

In scl 8, There is no hp difference from top 50 to top 100. All you get is 500 more iso and the same 4 star cover. At least in hearts of darkness right now.

broll

Crowl said:

Skygazing said:

Killians8 said:

I'm totally fine with it. I have rostered all fives I have every gotten so those choices have paid off. I don't have the current 5* Spidey (this event) or 5* Daredevil. Thems the breaks. We all went through periods earlier in the game where we didn't have 3* or 4* characters until we could get them. This isn't much different.

Your argument that 5*s are harder to get is irrelevant. RNG has always been a part of this game and largely determined our access to characters aside from progression rewards. I enjoy the opportunity later to get what I don't have and play those nodes next time around.

This isn't the same at all and I don't think you actually get the argument. RNG has been a part of the game, yes, but acquiring covers to compete in events was never like this. I've been playing since 3 hour refreshes were a thing. If you put in the time and effort you could get more covers, which would help you compete to get more covers. There is literally no such mechanism for 5*s.

killercool said:

Not much difference between 5* nodes at SCL7 and 4* nodes at SCL1 that I can see.  There are going to be folks that don't have the required character in both situations.

At some point there have to be things that you need to work towards.

You don't see the 4* cover that sits in reachable progression for both PvE and PvP? You don't see the lack of anything similar for 5*s? There isn't anything to work towards. It doesn't exist. There is no magic way to get 5*s without relying on RNG and just randomly pulling them. There is nothing you can do to "work" towards a 5*.

That last point is the crucial one really, it doesn't matter how well somebody performs in pve/pvp or how much they spend if an item is gated behind both rng and rarity, them introducing a 5* node is fine, but clearly now is the time for them to make gaining 5* covers more than simply rng-based and introduce specific ways for people to progress their rosters that are not entirely dictated by it.

QFT.  My hope is during the anniversary they announce some improvements to 5* acquisitions rates.  It's quite common for them to release a feature that seems terrible until you see they have another feature in the pipeline that complements it and fixes a lot of the issue.  Time will tell...

dramatist

I too feel that there will be something soon to help with the acquisition of 5*s. I don't know what that will be but I'm sure it's coming. When I was in the process of working on my 3* roster 4*s were very rare. They introduced 5*s and legendary tokens and then championing. When championing started I probably had about half of the 3*s at 166 already and the Legendary tokens I got from the first champion level is what kickstarted my 4* acquisition. 4*s are so much more common now, I'm sure soon 5*s will be more common than now.

Pants1000

tiomono said:

TheHungryPet said:

Calnexin said:

It just affects placement, and a little extra rewards from the node itself.  You still won't be able to get top placement against rosters with champed 5*s.  Your placement will likely drop a bit on the events where you don't have the 5*, but it's not like you go from an LT to nothing.  Most likely you lose out on a 3* cover and an elite token going from T50 to T100 in SCL7.  If you're used to taking a T10 slot without every rostered character, then congratulations, but you'll just have to wait until the next event and let someone else move into that spot for this one.  Not everyone has to be equal, and a little fluctuation in the leaderboard based on luck isn't necessarily a bad thing.  If #11 gets to #10 because someone sold or boycotted Oc, let them have it.

I look at it not as a slight to people who aren't lucky, but as a bonus to the people willing to roster the undesirable 5* and don't hoard to avoid drawing them.  It also favors vet players who've been collecting longer.  

I would argue the situation really depends on your roster development. Dropping from T50 to T100 means missing out on a lot of HP. For guys who still suffer the roster crunch, this is significant hit. I used to cycle between SCL7 and SCL8 depending on the event, now I drop to SCL6. The issue is not my roster strength, but the constant HP crunch.

Please consider the HP as a loss as well in your assessment which is a critical resource for all who still have a lot of 4* to roster. I joined the game late just after vaulting got introduced so I'm still catching up with the massive pool of 4*.

On the bright side, dropping to SCL6 has drastically improved my quality of life due to faster clears. 

One are of improvement I see as already pointed out by many others: Please indicate which characters are required when signing up for a PVE event. 

In scl 8, There is no hp difference from top 50 to top 100. All you get is 500 more iso and the same 4 star cover. At least in hearts of darkness right now.

The HP difference is in the sub rewards.  Each sub you get 100 HP for t50, and no HP outside t50.  100 HP per day can add up. 

tiomono

Pants1000 said:

tiomono said:

TheHungryPet said:

Calnexin said:

It just affects placement, and a little extra rewards from the node itself.  You still won't be able to get top placement against rosters with champed 5*s.  Your placement will likely drop a bit on the events where you don't have the 5*, but it's not like you go from an LT to nothing.  Most likely you lose out on a 3* cover and an elite token going from T50 to T100 in SCL7.  If you're used to taking a T10 slot without every rostered character, then congratulations, but you'll just have to wait until the next event and let someone else move into that spot for this one.  Not everyone has to be equal, and a little fluctuation in the leaderboard based on luck isn't necessarily a bad thing.  If #11 gets to #10 because someone sold or boycotted Oc, let them have it.

I look at it not as a slight to people who aren't lucky, but as a bonus to the people willing to roster the undesirable 5* and don't hoard to avoid drawing them.  It also favors vet players who've been collecting longer.  

I would argue the situation really depends on your roster development. Dropping from T50 to T100 means missing out on a lot of HP. For guys who still suffer the roster crunch, this is significant hit. I used to cycle between SCL7 and SCL8 depending on the event, now I drop to SCL6. The issue is not my roster strength, but the constant HP crunch.

Please consider the HP as a loss as well in your assessment which is a critical resource for all who still have a lot of 4* to roster. I joined the game late just after vaulting got introduced so I'm still catching up with the massive pool of 4*.

On the bright side, dropping to SCL6 has drastically improved my quality of life due to faster clears. 

One are of improvement I see as already pointed out by many others: Please indicate which characters are required when signing up for a PVE event. 

In scl 8, There is no hp difference from top 50 to top 100. All you get is 500 more iso and the same 4 star cover. At least in hearts of darkness right now.

The HP difference is in the sub rewards.  Each sub you get 100 HP for t50, and no HP outside t50.  100 HP per day can add up. 

Again in scl 8 you get the same in subs and total event between top 50 and top 100. You get 200 hp in scl 8 in subs and total event for top 100. Are you in scl 7? I am not seeing this hp discrepancy you are talking about in scl 8.

Pants1000

tiomono said:

Pants1000 said:

tiomono said:

TheHungryPet said:

Calnexin said:

It just affects placement, and a little extra rewards from the node itself.  You still won't be able to get top placement against rosters with champed 5*s.  Your placement will likely drop a bit on the events where you don't have the 5*, but it's not like you go from an LT to nothing.  Most likely you lose out on a 3* cover and an elite token going from T50 to T100 in SCL7.  If you're used to taking a T10 slot without every rostered character, then congratulations, but you'll just have to wait until the next event and let someone else move into that spot for this one.  Not everyone has to be equal, and a little fluctuation in the leaderboard based on luck isn't necessarily a bad thing.  If #11 gets to #10 because someone sold or boycotted Oc, let them have it.

I look at it not as a slight to people who aren't lucky, but as a bonus to the people willing to roster the undesirable 5* and don't hoard to avoid drawing them.  It also favors vet players who've been collecting longer.  

I would argue the situation really depends on your roster development. Dropping from T50 to T100 means missing out on a lot of HP. For guys who still suffer the roster crunch, this is significant hit. I used to cycle between SCL7 and SCL8 depending on the event, now I drop to SCL6. The issue is not my roster strength, but the constant HP crunch.

Please consider the HP as a loss as well in your assessment which is a critical resource for all who still have a lot of 4* to roster. I joined the game late just after vaulting got introduced so I'm still catching up with the massive pool of 4*.

On the bright side, dropping to SCL6 has drastically improved my quality of life due to faster clears. 

One are of improvement I see as already pointed out by many others: Please indicate which characters are required when signing up for a PVE event. 

In scl 8, There is no hp difference from top 50 to top 100. All you get is 500 more iso and the same 4 star cover. At least in hearts of darkness right now.

The HP difference is in the sub rewards.  Each sub you get 100 HP for t50, and no HP outside t50.  100 HP per day can add up. 

Again in scl 8 you get the same in subs and total event between top 50 and top 100. You get 200 hp in scl 8 in subs and total event for top 100. Are you in scl 7? I am not seeing this hp discrepancy you are talking about in scl 8.

Ah that's because it's a 48 hour sub, where HP rewarss are better.  Check the next 24 hour sub.

tiomono

Pants1000 said:

tiomono said:

Pants1000 said:

tiomono said:

TheHungryPet said:

Calnexin said:

It just affects placement, and a little extra rewards from the node itself.  You still won't be able to get top placement against rosters with champed 5*s.  Your placement will likely drop a bit on the events where you don't have the 5*, but it's not like you go from an LT to nothing.  Most likely you lose out on a 3* cover and an elite token going from T50 to T100 in SCL7.  If you're used to taking a T10 slot without every rostered character, then congratulations, but you'll just have to wait until the next event and let someone else move into that spot for this one.  Not everyone has to be equal, and a little fluctuation in the leaderboard based on luck isn't necessarily a bad thing.  If #11 gets to #10 because someone sold or boycotted Oc, let them have it.

I look at it not as a slight to people who aren't lucky, but as a bonus to the people willing to roster the undesirable 5* and don't hoard to avoid drawing them.  It also favors vet players who've been collecting longer.  

I would argue the situation really depends on your roster development. Dropping from T50 to T100 means missing out on a lot of HP. For guys who still suffer the roster crunch, this is significant hit. I used to cycle between SCL7 and SCL8 depending on the event, now I drop to SCL6. The issue is not my roster strength, but the constant HP crunch.

Please consider the HP as a loss as well in your assessment which is a critical resource for all who still have a lot of 4* to roster. I joined the game late just after vaulting got introduced so I'm still catching up with the massive pool of 4*.

On the bright side, dropping to SCL6 has drastically improved my quality of life due to faster clears. 

One are of improvement I see as already pointed out by many others: Please indicate which characters are required when signing up for a PVE event. 

In scl 8, There is no hp difference from top 50 to top 100. All you get is 500 more iso and the same 4 star cover. At least in hearts of darkness right now.

The HP difference is in the sub rewards.  Each sub you get 100 HP for t50, and no HP outside t50.  100 HP per day can add up. 

Again in scl 8 you get the same in subs and total event between top 50 and top 100. You get 200 hp in scl 8 in subs and total event for top 100. Are you in scl 7? I am not seeing this hp discrepancy you are talking about in scl 8.

Ah that's because it's a 48 hour sub, where HP rewarss are better.  Check the next 24 hour sub.

(Argh cellphone silliness.)

48 hour sub with better rewards should still have a difference between top 50 and top 100 according to you. I am not seeing that. The only difference between top 50 and top 100 is 500 iso in my game right now. Unless I am completely misunderstanding you.

Lucifier

@tiomono

actually I am at CL7, in the 48hrs sub, the top100 rewards have 200 HP, usually HP exist only for top50 in 24hrs sub.

so maybe @Pants1000 is right about CL8 too (well i never been in PVE CL8 before).

shartattack

They've made it easier to get 5s by greatly enhancing the CP you can earn.  I may be wrong, but a normal 3 day pve on 8 would get you 39 CP.  8+25 plus daily nodes.  9 gets you 55.  10+30+9 5* +daily nodes.   Just 2 events gets you over 110 CP a week, not counting daily resupply, vip bonuses, champ rewards, or pvp rewards.  Even with terrible luck, those are fantastic odds to pull at least 1 of every 5 in the game.  The only 2 I don't have are Hawkeye and Daredevil, and both are because I was hoarding while they were in latest.  

TheHungryPet

Lucifier said:

@tiomono

actually I am at CL7, in the 48hrs sub, the top100 rewards have 200 HP, usually HP exist only for top50 in 24hrs sub.

so maybe @Pants1000 is right about CL8 too (well i never been in PVE CL8 before).

I can't speak for Heart of Darkness. I played SCL7 in Venom Bomb, each sub awarded 100HP for T50 only.

48h subs will be different. Due to not having SL as the required 5*, I missed out on 300HP in the first three subs. That's significant for someone in roster crunch situation. Would I have bought a 4Carol cover for 300HP? Sure, if I had others on the vine. 

Looking back (since I have her champed), the extra champ level was nice but not worth missing out on 300HP.

Lucifier

TheHungryPet said:

Lucifier said:

@tiomono

actually I am at CL7, in the 48hrs sub, the top100 rewards have 200 HP, usually HP exist only for top50 in 24hrs sub.

so maybe @Pants1000 is right about CL8 too (well i never been in PVE CL8 before).

I can't speak for Heart of Darkness. I played SCL7 in Venom Bomb, each sub awarded 100HP for T50 only.

48h subs will be different. Due to not having SL as the required 5*, I missed out on 300HP in the first three subs. That's significant for someone in roster crunch situation. Would I have bought a 4Carol cover for 300HP? Sure, if I had others on the vine. 

Looking back (since I have her champed), the extra champ level was nice but not worth missing out on 300HP.

true that far i know, 100HP for T50 in 24hr sub.
200HP for T100 in 48hr sub (i think double HP, because it is 2 days rewards), but they also extend it to T100.
for CL7

Arks

I love it, I'm not a whale so I have a bunch of 5's with 5 or 6 covers each...useless in actual events except to absorb Thanos' power. At least now I can get some use out of them.

Omega Red

You can make valid points for five stars in CL 7 but the character selection we had during the first bunch of events cannot be interpreted as anything other than a **** move. 

Ryudoz

I dig it. It's not counted for progression, and I've been lucky enough to get at least one cover of every 5 save Classic Ock. So I enjoy the bonus points for progression clears at SCL 8. Helps me not need to do all 5 clears to get the end goal. Or if I just want the 8 CP it's even easier.

irwando

Terrible terrible change.

SolidusMox

I am not OK with required 5* with no way to earn the required hero. It also shouldn't be required at SL7 and 8 as those are for people building their 4* roster not their 5*.

tiomono

SolidusMox said:

I am not OK with required 5* with no way to earn the required hero. It also shouldn't be required at SL7 and 8 as those are for people building their 4* roster not their 5*.

No way to earn them is a gross exaggeration. I have all the 5* characters. You get them with cp and latest legend tokens that you earn.

Quebbster

tiomono said:

SolidusMox said:

I am not OK with required 5* with no way to earn the required hero. It also shouldn't be required at SL7 and 8 as those are for people building their 4* roster not their 5*.

No way to earn them is a gross exaggeration. I have all the 5* characters. You get them with cp and latest legend tokens that you earn.

The only way to get them is to get lucky with the RNG though. The other essential characters were rewarded as placement rewards in the previous event and as progression rewards in the current event, so even if you aren't lucky you can still get them.

Killabee

I personally feel 5* nodes should not be on scl7. I've built my covers from scl7 ranking top 4-10 consistently. 6 months ago I only had a 5 cover iw and 5 cover xwolv and no 5*. And now I'm at about 14 champed 4* and missing 2 5* covers. This was mostly due to ranking on scl7 and even against high level 5* rosters. Well I can't really say mostly cause the game gives so much cp and freebies. I did have to play religiously and play optimally. When I first started playing, getting a 4* was close to impossible. I built my roster with money only spent on roster space.

So naturally I moved to scl9. Starlord event, got 40th without required. Parker event, got 52nd with no 5* required. Current event, top10 with 0/2/0 doc ock. All this without playing optimally. So yes it takes longer to clear 7 times, but now I'm not locked in for 2-3 hours straight, which sucks for family and social life. Is it challenging, hell yeah, 105k hp muscles suck even with a boosted carol and c&d, but it's a great puzzle to figure out who to use instead. 

On a side note, all those people with champed 4* complaining that scl9 is for 5* only, please, please, please, keep believing that, because of you, I can now rank high enough to get 4* covers without losing dedicated 2-3 hour blocks in the middle of the afternoon