Infinity Season *Updated (9/19/17)

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  • Milk Jugz
    Milk Jugz Posts: 1,122 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2017
    Alterationartist said:
    Milk Jugz said:
    Alterationartist said:
    vinsensual said:

    Alterationartist said:
    I wouldn't call that a 'common sense' approach, so much as a 'he who chases two rabbits' approach. The big issue that's going to pop up is how to balance these two measurements, and more importantly, programming this. There could be all sorts of anomalies and exploits that could pop up in that system, where people could get the same reward twice or even not get a tier reward at all, born of a conflict of two measured bits of data. It sounds incredibly easy to say, but it's still a c option that has a high probability of being just as big of a burden.

    Not common sense. Something like this requires way more thinking than just saying it
    If you're gonna defend this new progression system by claiming the "needs of the many," you should support this option C because it increases the amount of the population in that "many." Dismissing the resolution because you can speculate problems is just being antagonizing. 
    This new progression solves more problems now than it creates. Developing a third option will take even more test runs, more programming, more time. I'm all for option C being made over option B, but I would take Option B over Option A by just as wide of a margin. I would prefer taking this system as the primary one for a season or two while developing a third option system, but it seems like the vets are insistent on just sticking with what we have now until option C is made and ready for release.
    You might take option B over A by a wide margin and so might some others. But there are plenty of us here who would take A over B. Again, there needs to be a different solution. You, obviously have no idea what it's like to play higher level Versus. This is a horrible change at the top end. There is a big difference in 40 matches against 3* characters than against 5* characters. Even when you consider 3* v 3*, 5* character damage output is FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR greater than 3* and one cascade with just 2 critical matches and you can be down upwards of 20K health. 3* just can't do that kind of damage to each other. I find myself having use 2-3 health packs AFTER EVERY MATCH. Now the matches I need to get the cover I was able to get with 20 wins has been DOUBLED!!!!! Effectively doubling the amount of health packs I need. And that also doesn't mention the health pools. Do you know how much health a 450 Thanos and a 450 Black Panther has? Or that you can't damage Panther for more than around 6.5K at a time or your gonna get panther smacked?!? Stop talking like you understand the GRIND we have to go through, this change effectively doubles the amount of time it will take me to get the same tinykitty rewards I was getting before.
    So being a high level versus player only requires getting 20 wins ever during a 3-day PvP event and calling it quits?
    Yes, the events are 2.5 days or 60 hours long. For hours 60-24 left I play at my pace and don't usually shield. Sometime between 12-24 hours left I climb to 900-1000 and shield for 24 if I have no time and am done, or 8 hrs if I want to hop to 1200. In the last 11 hrs I shield hop to 1200. The 9xx to 12xx hop usually takes 4-5 matches (2 hops) as I can usually find 65-75 point matches. I'm playing 20 or less matches for 9xx, 25 or less for 12xx.

    EDIT: I'll note that I've known this strategy for the last 2 seasons (alliance mates are awesome!!) and have done 1 hop before to land in the 1050-1150 range. But I've only put this into complete practice once in the Lockjaw event. It works as I described and in the next season- should it be point based- I'll be shooting for 1200 in every event (I don't know how much longer I'll be able to get that 15 CP). Also going to go for a personal season high score around 15K. This past season is my current personal best with less than 100 points shy of 12K.
  • technoid
    technoid Posts: 8 Just Dropped In
    i love this event i hope it will stay foever thanks devs:)
  • Milk Jugz
    Milk Jugz Posts: 1,122 Chairperson of the Boards
    @Alterationartist

    For a little more disclosure, I didn't understand the high end grind until this past season. At the beginning of it I champed Phoenix. 75% of my queues after 700 points are Panthos. That combination is horrible to face when you don't have your own. My Phoenix has 43K health, can I bring her into battle at 30K- nope! I'm taking a chance of her being taken down, Court Death firing and that's it, I'm done, match over. I've never used so many health packs in Versus or team-ups. I understand why my alliance mates rely on them so heavily now and have started adjusting my strategy as well. Finding the best team-ups to one shot Panther every week is the best way to go. Queuing high point targets is very important so you have less matches to play, thus less health packs to use. Doubling my matches, doubles my health packs. Versus should not get more frustrating as you progress your roster!! We all have felt your frustration and got past it without the developers changing the system to help us. You should be able to do the same and find greener pastures. If this change goes permanent you will find Versus more frustrating as you progress and then maybe you will see what we are trying to say......
  • alaeth
    alaeth Posts: 446 Mover and Shaker
    @Milk Jugz

    I think you've summed up my frustration and "The Problem" very clearly...

    From what I'm reading here, anyone without Championed 5s is in favor of the new mode... allows lazy progression with zero drawbacks. They don'r see the health-pack black-hole that is 5* PvP

    It is not fun.  It is not rewarding. and it does NOT make me feel like the 3+ years of investment are worth it.  If anything, this type of grind-fest takes me closer to retirement.
  • shardwick
    shardwick Posts: 2,121 Chairperson of the Boards
    Vhailorx said:
    Shardwick:  if you want everyone to get the top rewards if they are willimg to put in the work. Then why the tinykitty do you support this tinykitty new system that takes the very best prize (cp) and ensures that only 2% if players can ever get it?

    Vets would be WAY less upset if cp were available for 40 wins, or if they were still at 1200 points.  
    I support a hybrid system. And I also was pretty upset that they moved cp to placement rewards and even more annoyed that they didn't update the reward structure with the new test. If it were up to me the final rewards would be the following:

    32 wins/900pts - 4* cover
    40 wins/1200 pts - cp
  • zulux21
    zulux21 Posts: 249 Tile Toppler
    *Sigh* the game clearly keeps track of how many defense wins we get. and with the previous point things the defense wins could push you over thresholds....

    cant we get defensive wins to count? that would make the totals a lot less of the grind. I think I have 7 or so defensive wins already.
  • Tiggida
    Tiggida Posts: 64 Match Maker
    This was a horrible event to run a test on. Teams of 80k+ health Thanos/70-80K+ rhulk/50-70k+ champed 5*. Im having so much fun trying to win 40 matches especially when I hit 900 pts after 18 matches and it would've been less if I was targeting higher pts like I normally do. This is a good thing for transitioning rosters that were banging their heads against a wall for progression rewards, but it's absolutely brutal for advanced rosters. 
  • Doc L
    Doc L Posts: 279 Mover and Shaker
    granne said:
    For the record, I don't have any champed 5*s and I hate the test.

    There are plenty of 4* rosters who share that view, if my alliance is anything to go by.

    A few friends I know in the 4* level are hating it - I hope people see this, the test is not universally good for non-5* rosters... There's something not right about the MMR more than anything for some people still, despite the change.
  • supergarv
    supergarv Posts: 414 Mover and Shaker
    Just want to drop one thing: I hate the grind of 5x PVE. And 40 pvp wins are too much.

    if this gets implemented and 5x clear is there to stay, I'll retire after 900 days of "properly" playing and paying for the game, and only do alliance events and the DDQ crashes.

    Make the game enjoyable for 1hr a day, invent something new, but don't enforce more grinding. I don't think you'll get more money out of it this way, D3.
  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2017
    supergarv said:
    Just want to drop one thing: I hate the grind of 5x PVE. And 40 pvp wins are too much.

    if this gets implemented and 5x clear is there to stay, I'll retire after 900 days of "properly" playing and paying for the game, and only do alliance events and the DDQ crashes.

    Make the game enjoyable for 1hr a day, invent something new, but don't enforce more grinding. I don't think you'll get more money out of it this way, D3.
    I dont know that i will quit outright, but i agree with this analysis.  

    Playing to max prog in dec. 2016:
    ~36 pve matches per day
    ~22 pvp matches 3x a week.

    To get more or less same rewards now requires:
    ~45 pve matches per day
    ~40 pv matches 3x per week PLUS 3x top 10 finishes.

    It's nice that 4* covers will be a bit easier to get. But the 4* meta is ending already.  It's becoming a 5* game now (i know this because i am finally entering 5* land.  And demi has consistently shifted the game right around the time i, and really players like me, start reaching the meta.)
  • fmftint
    fmftint Posts: 3,653 Chairperson of the Boards
    Let's stretch this out for a regular season, if it's 67 wins for a 2 event mini season, it's 335 wins for max progression in a regular season. In a 21 day season that's 16 wins/day

    Thanks but no thanks
  • Milk Jugz
    Milk Jugz Posts: 1,122 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2017
    fmftint said:
    Let's stretch this out for a regular season, if it's 67 wins for a 2 event mini season, it's 335 wins for max progression in a regular season. In a 21 day season that's 16 wins/day

    Thanks but no thanks
    @fmftint
    @aesthetocyst

    There are 24 days per season, so that's ~14 wins a day. Hardly any better........ Considering points based requires at most 20 wins per event (every 2.5 days or 8 per day). That's just to get season progression, doesn't guarantee you're getting the 4* cover in each event. To do that you're looking at 40 wins per event. 10 events per season. Meaning 400 wins to get the 10 4* covers. Over 24 days that's ~17 wins per day. And what is shield sim gonna look like? If they value 900 points as 40 wins that's 22.5 points per win. 2000 points for the 4* cover in sim should be valued as ~89 wins!!! But, let's call it 75 wins, over the 24 days (remember that you already need ~17 per day) you need another ~3 per day!!!

    So with a win based progression Versus season including Sim, we could end needing to win ~20 matches per day just to earn the 11 4* covers AND that doesn't guarantee any of the 150 CP from the 10 season events. That is up from around ~10 per day. That is a 100% increase!!

    Some matches take 5 or more minutes, that can easily add a half an hour to an hour to the "daily requirement". I mean, I love this game and all, but I have a wife, a daughter, a business, a life outside of swipe tiles, make matches, gather ap, fire powers....... Anything that adds time to it is most definitely not a welcome change!!


    Major edit... aesthetocyst is correct 24 days per season, I was thinking 28. My apologies.....
  • broll
    broll Posts: 4,732 Chairperson of the Boards
    I hit 40 wins with 1d 8h left. What now?  I guess I need to pace myself more next time but the ability to play on my schedule vs someone else's makes playing much more compelling. Not to mention not being demorialized by watching my progress sift through my fingers everytime I'm not playing for 20 minutes (and sometimes even when I am playing consistently).

    Not perfect for sure but a huge improvement in my opinion. 
  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,793 Chairperson of the Boards
    My Heroic 10-pk gave me four 3* covers and five 4* covers. 

    I think I should quit. I don't see how I'll ever achieve this high again. 
  • broll
    broll Posts: 4,732 Chairperson of the Boards
    Borstock said:
    My Heroic 10-pk gave me four 3* covers and five 4* covers. 

    I think I should quit. I don't see how I'll ever achieve this high again. 
    Mine gave me 10 2*s. I think I should quit... for a different reason... lol
  • fmftint
    fmftint Posts: 3,653 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2017
    Milk Jugz said:
    fmftint said:
    Let's stretch this out for a regular season, if it's 67 wins for a 2 event mini season, it's 335 wins for max progression in a regular season. In a 21 day season that's 16 wins/day

    Thanks but no thanks
    @fmftint
    @aesthetocyst

    There are 24 days per season, so that's ~14 wins a day. Hardly any better........ Considering points based requires at most 20 wins per event (every 2.5 days or 8 per day). That's just to get season progression, doesn't guarantee you're getting the 4* cover in each event. To do that you're looking at 40 wins per event. 10 events per season. Meaning 400 wins to get the 10 4* covers. Over 24 days that's ~17 wins per day. And what is shield sim gonna look like? If they value 900 points as 40 wins that's 22.5 points per win. 2000 points for the 4* cover in sim should be valued as ~89 wins!!! But, let's call it 75 wins, over the 24 days (remember that you already need ~17 per day) you need another ~3 per day!!!

    So with a win based progression Versus season including Sim, we could end needing to win ~20 matches per day just to earn the 11 4* covers AND that doesn't guarantee any of the 150 CP from the 10 season events. That is up from around ~10 per day. That is a 100% increase!!

    Some matches take 5 or more minutes, that can easily add a half an hour to an hour to the "daily requirement". I mean, I love this game and all, but I have a wife, a daughter, a business, a life outside of swipe tiles, make matches, gather ap, fire powers....... Anything that adds time to it is most definitely not a welcome change!!


    Major edit... aesthetocyst is correct 24 days per season, I was thinking 28. My apologies.....
        
  • acescracked
    acescracked Posts: 1,197 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2017
    Haha, OMG.

    So we just got pve scaling lowered so it doesn't have to be played for hours and now PvP switched to an endless slog.

    The players who like this change don't open latest or classic and develop your roster. You'll get punished for it.

    I'd hit 1200 about 90% of the time let's say average 60 points (prolly closer to 70) per match is 20 matches. 

    The 5* scaling made me quit pve; time to quit PvP
  • knifedge
    knifedge Posts: 9 Just Dropped In
    New PVP rewards system is a complete load of tinykitty.  3 seeds, 24 wins against boosted 4* teams = 27 wins total.  Score = 912.  I STILL HAVEN'T EARNED THE 3* COVER.

    https://ibb.co/cHBp8k

    Forcing us to do 48% more work for the 4* reward is NOT a good change.
    For those of you who are math challenged, (40-27)/27 = 48.1%

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