Difficulty Levels Based on S.H.I.E.L.D. Clearance Levels - Update (8/4/17) *Updated
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Blindman13 said:If the same amount of effort will get you 1st place in SCL6 or T50 in SCL8, then you should be in SCL8 for the better rewards.0
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Blindman13 said:If the same amount of effort will get you 1st place in SCL6 or T50 in SCL8, then you should be in SCL8 for the better rewards.
Can you not think of people in your own lives who take make that trade each and every time? I am positive at least 10% of the player base would gladly accept T1 in scl6 over T50 in scl8 (and we aren't event factoring time savings in lower scls). and I don't even have to look at rewards to make that pronouncement.
go down to scl6. try it for your self. with a roster boosted to 376 I suspect that you will be very competitive for T10
In response to your elementary school analogy. You forgot to add that yes. Your clobbering the elementary school kids, but your getting dunked on by middle schooled kids. In that light do you keep getting destroyed by the middle school kids or do you step back to where you are dominating the comp. I'm more than willing to concede that if your dunking on middle schoolers, you should play high schoolers and so on.
As the owner of a 376 roster you can speak plainly about your exp.
1. Do you feel that with superior effort you can even sniff T10 in scl7?
If your best effort can't get you within the T10, can you really say that your competitive for the bracket?.
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Phumade said:Lucifier said:with player level 355 5*, the effort for them in CL7 is not more than CL6 (true for CL8 there is a jump)
The results speak for them selves!!!!!
If you can show that 355 5* players are dominating scl7, I'll fully agree that they sandbagging in scl6.
and until you can show a way for 355 5* to compete in scl7 against a level 400 4*, 355 rosters of all shapes and sizes will play down to scl6 with the hope they can take t5.
better now we are at day 5 of 7 of the current event "PROGIGAL SUN" and for the bracket that i am on, and it get its daily reset before 1 hour and 25 minutes.
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Rank2 (top 2) in this event till now (5th day of 7) and for today he/she is top9
1- highest char level is 277 (not boosted)
2- only have 3 4* champed (as mentioned highest level is 277) all not boosted char.
3- the 5* char have (highest level is 255) highest number of covers are 4
4- after that his best char is 3* level 199
5- to check it by yourself, his/her name is tep574 in alliance named Fluffers
Rank3 in the 5th out of 7 (best char captain marvel 4* level 314).
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and the best one of all these, the big bang of ranking is Rank4
1- highest char is 5* (black panther) level 255 only 3 covers, and he/she only have one 5* char.
2- this is better, next highest char have IS LEVEL 194 3* char (Blade), he have rocket and groot 4* with 13 covers but level 120.
and so onbeyonderbub said:Lucifier said:with player level 355 5*, the effort for them in CL7 is not more than CL6 (true for CL8 there is a jump)
I as best char level 174 3* char (not boosted) cleared all in 75 minutes. and i ranked 13 today, the 12 players before me, i don't know how long it took them, but i am sure less than one hour, it is just seems to me level 450 5* char is very strong, and i think it should be less than 40-50 minutes, i can not judge in here but i believe there are players who can do it in less time than this.
doctor strange at level 451:
blue damage 635 * 3 = 1905 (almost 2K) one hit. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not talking about match 4 or 5 or critical.
purple damage 564 * 3 = 1692 one hit
yellow damage 494 * 3 = 1482 one hit
blue ability stun and deal 6434 each turn. (almotst 6 and a half K)
his yellow passive ability deal 5868 (when enemy use ability, almost 6K).
what more do you want.
WHY take you 50 minutes while i did it in 75 minutes and i think i reset two matches (i was about to lose a char).
YOU don't have 5* Thonas, OK use 3 * Thonas at level 266 can do 5020 passive damage (5K !!!!) (at level 168 can do 4.1K damage). (and over 1k to your team), Doctor strange 5* level 451 have 36K health.
the hardest node today in CL7, the lowest char health is less than 10K, kill this one first. and use thonas 3*1 -
Lucifier said:Phumade said:Lucifier said:with player level 355 5*, the effort for them in CL7 is not more than CL6 (true for CL8 there is a jump)
The results speak for them selves!!!!!
If you can show that 355 5* players are dominating scl7, I'll fully agree that they sandbagging in scl6.
and until you can show a way for 355 5* to compete in scl7 against a level 400 4*, 355 rosters of all shapes and sizes will play down to scl6 with the hope they can take t5.
Rank2 (top 2) in this event till now (5th day of 7) and for today he/she is top9
1- highest char level is 277 (not boosted)
2- only have 3 4* champed (as mentioned highest level is 277) all not boosted char.
3- the 5* char have (highest level is 255) highest number of covers are 4
4- after that his best char is 3* level 199
5- to check it by yourself, his/her name is tep574 in alliance named Fluffers
Rank3 in the 5th out of 7 (best char captain marvel 4* level 314).
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and the best one of all these, the big bang of ranking is Rank4
1- highest char is 5* (black panther) level 255 only 3 covers, and he/she only have one 5* char.
2- this is better, next highest char have IS LEVEL 194 3* char (Blade), he have rocket and groot 4* with 13 covers but level 120.
and so on
and finally
If your implying that those weaker rosters are winning in scl7, tell me what shard and bracket that is, and I'll make sure to send people to that bracket.
Let me help you out here.
If you going to argue that a level 355 5* is sandbagging in scl6. Please show me the leader board where he's dominating the completion not the ones where weaker roster are beating him up.
You need to show me scl7 leaderboards where Level 355 rosters are winning not losing1 -
Lucifier said:beyonderbub said:Lucifier said:with player level 355 5*, the effort for them in CL7 is not more than CL6 (true for CL8 there is a jump)
I as best char level 174 3* char (not boosted) cleared all in 75 minutes. and i ranked 13 today, the 12 players before me, i don't know how long it took them, but i am sure less than one hour, it is just seems to me level 450 5* char is very strong, and i think it should be less than 40-50 minutes, i can not judge in here but i believe there are players who can do it in less time than this.
doctor strange at level 451:
blue damage 635 * 3 = 1905 (almost 2K) one hit. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not talking about match 4 or 5 or critical.
purple damage 564 * 3 = 1692 one hit
yellow damage 494 * 3 = 1482 one hit
blue ability stun and deal 6434 each turn. (almotst 6 and a half K)
his yellow passive ability deal 5868 (when enemy use ability, almost 6K).
what more do you want.
WHY take you 50 minutes while i did it in 75 minutes and i think i reset two matches (i was about to lose a char).
YOU don't have 5* Thonas, OK use 3 * Thonas at level 266 can do 5020 passive damage (5K !!!!) (at level 168 can do 4.1K damage). (and over 1k to your team), Doctor strange 5* level 451 have 36K health.
the hardest node today in CL7, the lowest char health is less than 10K, kill this one first. and use thonas 3*
Dude let the leaderboard results be your guide.
If a **** player with a great roster (470 5*) cant avg T10 in scl 6 (and he's playing legitimately). Does it really matter if he has a Demi-god's roster?
No let the results be your guide, If they can't make T5 with an elite and a legitimate effort roster then they are not dominating that bracket.
If you can show that the level 355 5* is competing at the T10 level in scl 7, I'll be more than happy to say play up to scl7.0 -
Phumade said:
LOL you are proving my point. If he's a level 355 5* and he's losing in your scl6 bracket1- I am not CL6, i am at CL7.
2- who says level 355 is losing or wining in CL6, i said why going to CL6. (i don't know who is doing that, but seems you agree to their logic).
3- i don't think you understood anything.
4- the bracket, as i mentioned the time, from now it is 2hours and 24 minutes less, i don't know what do you mean by shard?
5- sandbagging, don't know what this word mean (English not my main language).
the example i mentioned to you is CL7, and the winning have worst char than 355, doesn't that mean 355 can do what lower can do, i do not have game data.
maybe the players with char level 355 at CL8 or CL6 LOL
how about your bracket, what top10 char looks like? which CL are you?
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Lucifier said:Phumade said:
LOL you are proving my point. If he's a level 355 5* and he's losing in your scl6 bracket1- I am not CL6, i am at CL7.
2- who says level 355 is losing or wining in CL6, i said why going to CL6. (i don't know who is doing that, but seems you agree to their logic).
3- i don't think you understood anything.
4- the bracket, as i mentioned the time, from now it is 2hours and 24 minutes less, i don't know what do you mean by shard?
5- sandbagging, don't know what this word mean (English not my main language).
the example i mentioned to you is CL7, and the winning have worst char than 355, doesn't that mean 355 can do what lower can do, i do not have game data.
maybe the players with char level 355 at CL8 or CL6 LOL
how about your bracket, what top10 char looks like? which CL are you?
Let me be explicit. They are going to scl 6 its because they think they can take T1 (this is the emotional reason why they do to win, and it has nothing to do with the rewards). If they can't even win T1 in scl6, I can promise you they are getting beat soundly in scl7. People want to be in a brackets and clearance levels that they can WIN, not brackets that they know they will lose.
3. There are groups that aggressively track when brackets flip and more importantly what rosters went where.
4. Shard = one of the 5 different time slices. In each shard such as 3.8 (slice 3 clearance level 8) there will be multiple brackets. At least 4 to 5 separate unique brackets exist for that slice 3 clearance level 8 shard. All of these brackets are tracked formally and informally depending on your alliances' dedication.
--- This is to say, the line community at large has a Very Very good understanding of how many T5 slots are available in EVERY Time Slice, Every clearance level (especially scl7 and 8), and every bracket flip for that clearance level.
5. Sandbagging = Winning a bracket at a higher clearance level and then purposely playing below that clearance level.
Here is the difference. That 365 5* player hasn't won his bracket at a higher clearance level, your evidence is proving that he's losing to inferior rosters. You can't say that he's unfairly dominating the competition when he's LOSING at that tier.
6 the example i mentioned to you is CL7, and the winning have worst char than 355, doesn't that mean 355 can do what lower can do, i do not have game data.
-----NOOOOO!!!!!!. If a person is wining with an inferior roster, then by definition the other guy with 355 roster is DEMONSTRABLY worse than the player with the inferior roster. That by itself is the proof why he should be allowed to compete in a lower tier.0 -
Phumade oh mannnnnnnn
just to clear one thing, all this conversation is about PVE not PVP (PVE the story mode), are we on the same page here? are you talking about PVP????!!! so there is no losing, just who clear node faster than others.
thanks for clearing the words shards and Sandbagging i am at the one that reseted before 3 hours and about 8 minutes ago, not sure which bracket, but i started late.
maybe players with 355 not trying hard in this bracket, i saw some with champed 5* not in top 10 (i think maybe champed 4).0 -
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Lucifier said:Phumade oh mannnnnnnn
just to clear one thing, all this conversation is about PVE not PVP (PVE the story mode), are we on the same page here? are you talking about PVP????!!! so there is no losing, just who clear node faster than others.
thanks for clearing the words shards and Sandbagging i am at the one that reseted before 3 hours and about 8 minutes ago, not sure which bracket, but i started late.
maybe players with 355 not trying hard in this bracket, i saw some with champed 5* not in top 10 (i think maybe champed 4).
There are plenty of people who play overpowered rosters in a casual manner. If people want to play casual and slow that is their prerogative. The only time is is an issue is when they are winning and dominating at those lower levels.
We don't even need to address the question of what a 5* 355 char is equivalent too in 4* terms. We aren't even at the threshold issue of winning the lower brackets0 -
I didn't read all the posts here about folks dropping down levels, however, in the Prodigal Sun event, at SCL8 only 4 out of the top 10 players are at level 5* and one is still mostly 4* but has 2 covers for Thanos' passive black. The rest have a lot of champed 4* though. Back when I played SCL7 in a previous event I made it at no 3 and I'm still transitioning to the 4* tier.
While it does make sense for players to drop down levels, I haven't seen that many of them yet. As for coordination to take ALL top spots, it's just not happening.
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In terms of strength, a champion 5* (450-ish) is roughly equivalent to a permanently boosted 4* (with much better match damage, better health, and as illustrated, roughly weaker power damage), which is again roughly equivalent to a boosted, max champion 3*.
Personally, I'm a rank 95 player. I should definitely be playing in SCL 8. I permanently play in SCL 7 because I'm a pretty casual player, and the hours of real time I save playing in 7 every week cannot be made up for with the meager increase in rewards jumping up to 8.0 -
Lucifier said:beyonderbub said:Lucifier said:with player level 355 5*, the effort for them in CL7 is not more than CL6 (true for CL8 there is a jump)
WHY take you 50 minutes while i did it in 75 minutes and i think i reset two matches (i was about to lose a char).0 -
beyonderbub said:Lucifier said:beyonderbub said:Lucifier said:with player level 355 5*, the effort for them in CL7 is not more than CL6 (true for CL8 there is a jump)
WHY take you 50 minutes while i did it in 75 minutes and i think i reset two matches (i was about to lose a char).
The difference between 22 minute clears and 40 minute clears is Thanos, no way around it.
I'm cutting through the goon+2 tile mover nodes like butter with Thanos Strange.
It does take health packs, but not more than 2-3 for end grind and initial grind.
You can't compete with 22 minute clear times without your own Thanos.1 -
Bowgentle said:
The difference between 22 minute clears and 40 minute clears is Thanos, no way around it.
I'm cutting through the goon+2 tile mover nodes like butter with Thanos Strange.
It does take health packs, but not more than 2-3 for end grind and initial grind.
You can't compete with 22 minute clear times without your own Thanos.0 -
beyonderbub said:
so however I played, it was in a slower fashion than most of my peers but by using 5*strange/4*gamora/4*grocket, it came out to 40 minutes.
Switching to 3thanos/oml/ devil dino or rulk or some meat shield for the 3 easy nodes takes time as well
OK, just test this, one time in one node, try the hardest node:
5* doctor strange, 3* thonas (5 cover black), and another high health/match damage char, maybe low ap ability with damage, if you test it, please tell me how it goes. (in this example 3* thonas most likely will not get hit).
and see how fast you can clear it.
and if you want to use boosts, remember you don't need to use boosts on all nodes, or at first 1 or 2 node hits.
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I'll try it tomorrow on end grind and time it. Tonight's end grind took 30 minutes and the next subevent 4x clear was 44 minutes0
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