Vintage Characters Returning to Packs! (7/27/17)

Yoik

Wait. What?! I'm tired and this has confused me. I've been hoarding for quite a while.  I was aiming to blow the lot when sl leaves 4th Sept.  Probably about 4k cp and 170 odd ledge.

I would pull from the latest 25 cp a pop pile. Does this now mean that instead of the latest 12 4 stars I will be pulling from the while lot er ....54? 

Or has that not changed? or it has and there is slightly higher chance for the latest 12 from the latest pack?

I may cry whatever the answer. 

Milk Jugz

I love the change! I've already been hoarding until I finish champing the 4* that I have fully covered. 30 4* champs and 14 more fully covered. Only 3 of the fully covered are latest- Riri (she will be done this weekend), Mordo, and Sandman. When I'm done with all the fully covered ones I have MK at 4/3/5, Bucky at 2/5/5, War Machine at 3/3/5, KB at 5/2/3. C&D, Gamora, and Vulture are undercovered as well. When I pull my hoard near the end of the year I should be fully covering everyone and adding champ levels to nearly ever character. Yay!!! And since bonus heroes still seems to be in place I'll leave my shield sim team as my 3 BH 4*. Not exactly the solution I was looking for, I think a 3rd vault would have been the way to go, but I think this is a great compromise!!!

Bryan Lambert

Opened my stored 30 LT's after this change as a test...

Ended up with two covers for characters that were covermaxed but not champed (one vintage, one latest), 8-9 levels for characters I'm still covering (3 Vultures, all blue, making him 0-1-5, boo)  and a bunch of champ levels for characters who haven't had new champ levels in forever. I can champ SPider-Gwen and Gamora before their covers expire now that we're back to regular PvE events. One five-star and one bonus hero, so thanks, RNG.

So overall, gotta say, these odds happen to suit my current roster really well. Can't say it's an ideal solution, but it works for me. 

Borstock

Feels like a very solid compromise. Well done.

broll

At one point @Fightmastermpq told me to be careful what I wish for.  On this day I guess I have to say you were right sir.  I regret ever complaining about vaulting as this seems worse...

ZeiramMR

BTW, I expect this change with 3*s means we will have more variety in the season PVPs.

But not holding my breath on 4* reward changes favoring vintage characters more in Story events than the current one per 2 weeks.

Milk Jugz

broll said:

At one point @Fightmastermpq told me to be careful what I wish for.  On this day I guess I have to say you were right sir.  I regret ever complaining about vaulting as this seems worse...

You can't possibly make that assumption already. It's been live for what a few hours? Give it a chance, still have better odds on the new releases, can finally make progress on older characters, and they haven't *yet* rolled back bonus heroes. Seems like a great compromise

Milk Jugz

ZeiramMR said:

BTW, I expect this change with 3*s means we will have more variety in the season PVPs.

But not holding my breath on 4* reward changes favoring vintage characters more in Story events than the current one per 2 weeks.

I hope your right on the season pvps, more variety is always nice

BatteryHorse

Beer40 said:

Please email @Fightmastermpq and reinstate from the "banned" list because I'd love to hear the take on this 

Ehhhh, we're good.

Stax the Foyer

I think this is about the best compromise we could have hoped for.  I personally like it better than complete vaulting, but I understand why lots of players preferred vaulting.

I'll note that, had this been the initial plan, and had rolled out along with the Bonus Heroes rollout, it probably would have been liked by most people.

Compared to the old status quo (pre-vaulting), and in conjunction with Bonus Heroes, we get some targeted cover distribution to help transitioners, and a feature to give some bonus luck to a handful of targets.   That's a little something for almost everyone.

Instead, by shaking up the status quo so much with the big change of complete vaulting, it makes it hard to swing back without some people being disappointed.

animaniactoo

Milk Jugz said:

broll said:

At one point @Fightmastermpq told me to be careful what I wish for.  On this day I guess I have to say you were right sir.  I regret ever complaining about vaulting as this seems worse...

You can't possibly make that assumption already. It's been live for what a few hours? Give it a chance, still have better odds on the new releases, can finally make progress on older characters, and they haven't *yet* rolled back bonus heroes. Seems like a great compromise

NO JINXING.

JarvisJackrabbit

I had to laugh.

Overall, like this idea, or will like it.  I made a pull from Latest after beating Galactus in the Crash and now have a 1-8-1 Nova. Gimme that sweet 1k ISO.

smkspy

Milk Jugz said:

broll said:

At one point @Fightmastermpq told me to be careful what I wish for.  On this day I guess I have to say you were right sir.  I regret ever complaining about vaulting as this seems worse...

You can't possibly make that assumption already. It's been live for what a few hours? Give it a chance, still have better odds on the new releases, can finally make progress on older characters, and they haven't *yet* rolled back bonus heroes. Seems like a great compromise

I've got 7 vaulted but unchamped characters. Before I could sell off the random elektra or venom since they wouldn't give more rewards. Now that everyone is relevant again, I pretty much need to champ all these characters before I start pulling again since multiple champ levels are a reality again.

Honestly, this hurts those of us in the middle of the 4 star champing process. I planned to champ them in the future anyways.

I'm glad for everyone that gets their shot at the vaulted characters, but dilution is back with a vengeance.

evade420

Ugh I was really starting to get into the groove of vaulting , have 10 of the latest champed and was looking forward to getting to no wasted covers.
I have a ton of vintage 4* fully covered that I have no desire to put iso into , not thrilled about this, like everything else I`m sure I`ll adapt but kinda bummed out.
I would have much preferred separate tokens for vintage and latest giving people some ability to build their roster as they desire.
I have no problem with all the 3 stars being in packs , I like that 

beyonderbub

No net change for me at this moment; any 4*s pulled just go to champ levels. Any earned from progression or placement, same. Will see in a month if the previously vaulted champs catch up to latest champs. Also will note how long it takes to cover mockingbird and vulture vs the one week it took to fully cover gamora and grocket after their respective releases

Felonius

broll said:

Honestly this solution would be a pretty good compromise IF it was only applyed to the Classic/Vintage store and not both Vintage and Latest.  Revert Latest to just the 12 and this is a pretty good solution for most everyone IMO.

^^^ @Broll speaks my opinion ^^^.

Starfury

I'm not sure what you guys expected. There's a set number of 4* pulls we get per week. That was never going to change.

Those pulls are either.

• concentrated on the latest 12 meaning we get constant fast growth on 12 heroes and no growth on everybody else. It means no matter how many new characters are going to be released, it's always going to be possible to cover new releases.
  
• spread over all 4* leading to slow (and decreasing) growth on everyone (before vaulting). This was going to reach a point where it's getting more and more unlikely to champ any given character
  
• focussed on the latest 12. This means we get constant medium speed growth on 12 heroes and slow (and decreasing) growth on everybody else. Like vaulting, this assures that the speed at which we can cover the new releases is independent of the number of 4* characters.

In my opinion, the fact that this new system still assures a constant speed of cover acquisition for the latest 12 was crucial for the devs. They weren't going to move back to a system where their business model (steady character releases) is going to keep setting the bar for the 4* transition higher and higher.

ZeroKarma

I, personally, was now used to vaulting and actually was liking it. What I have found is that max champed 4* are equivalent in power to 5* from an ability perspective, though match damage lags considerably. At the rate that I was pulling tokens I felt that I could safely get all of the new 4* to max champed level and have a nice varied roster to use in both PvE and PvP. This will slow that, but I can see the benefit in the change to a number of players of all different stripes. 

What bugs me, though, is the lack of warning that a change was coming. Players had learned to work with this system and were managing their resources (hoarding) to maximize the potential of getting good 5* champed, but also expecting to max certain 4*. People adapt to the change and then you pull the rug out from underneath them without any warning whatsoever. You screwed up the plans of players who were trying to compete in your system, when all you had to do was give 24 hours notice. That's it. Not a lot to ask, but par for the course. 

I would suggest to everyone here that this system looks like it could be easily adapted to the existing 5* situation. If that sort of change were to be made without warning, there would be pitchforks, torches and angry townsfolk. 

Rick_OShay

So far I am applauding this change. 
Sure the 1 good thing about vaulting meant a decently strong Carol Medusa and blade by now, compared to the rest of your roster. 
But I really enjoy playing with many more characters than the latest 12, and building up the roster as a whole. 
If, many months ago, we were presented with a choice between the vaulting system, and this new method, I guarantee the voting would be very strongly slanted toward this current new system.

RedLion

This is a great change. I don't want to understate how great a change it is. Yet, I get the feeling that I and many others who hang out around here are bordering on obsessive compulsive when it comes to roster planning because we hate wasting covers. In fact, for some of us, this game basically boils down to a game of Minesweeper, where wasted covers are mines. 

The biggest problem that I had with vaulting was that it forced me to rethink how I level characters. I was reluctant to give up on leveling vaulted characters because I had already invested so much into them and had a plan to finish them with minimal covers wasted. Even so, a vaulted character no longer had any upside, so I converted to leveling only the latest 12. I have been using bonus hero covers to shore up vaulted 4*'s who lacked in covers, and in the 4 months since vaulting was introduced, I've gotten Spider-Gwen, Miles, War Machine and Bucky pretty well-covered.

Now I have issues. Ghost Rider (day 970 reward) means he has to be champed next. Hobofist (as a fully-covered latest 12) is after that. If I don't immediately start hoarding covers I could expose myself to wasted covers on all fronts. That way lies madness...

Should I just get over it?