NateDoggTac wrote: I feel like he can have some synergy with a 5/5/3 Falcon... but who would be the 3rd? Obviously a strike tile generator. Aside from 3star Daken, what are your opinions? Punisher and Patch come to mind off the top of my head.
ark123 wrote: His red is insane. This is quietly one of the best abilities in the game now. People were angry when they got Rag'ged in pve, lets hope there is never hard mode with a big cMags. Phones will be thrown.
camichan wrote: ark123 wrote: His red is insane. This is quietly one of the best abilities in the game now. People were angry when they got Rag'ged in pve, lets hope there is never hard mode with a big cMags. Phones will be thrown. Ark, could you explain why red is insane? I could guess what you mean, but would like to hear more on your thoughts.
MarcusGraves wrote: camichan wrote: ark123 wrote: His red is insane. This is quietly one of the best abilities in the game now. People were angry when they got Rag'ged in pve, lets hope there is never hard mode with a big cMags. Phones will be thrown. Ark, could you explain why red is insane? I could guess what you mean, but would like to hear more on your thoughts. TU tiles aren't often matched, do much less damage and build up on the board cluttering up your better possible matches, red clears up that clutter for only 8 cost and rewards you with a good bulk of damage. for my games its not unusual for me to have around 10-15 TU tiles on the board which means a maxed red will do between 2610 to 3915 damage not including possible cascade damage. the damage isn't static but its based on a tile that people usually don't want to match anyway so they build up easily. I agree with ark that red will be overlooked with how strong it is for awhile because people are so focused on the changes to the other 2 powers.
DuffManOhYeah wrote: Glad I'm not the only one who thinks that Cmag's red hits like a freaking truck. Good lord is that power OP.
OTERSEY wrote: DuffManOhYeah wrote: Glad I'm not the only one who thinks that Cmag's red hits like a freaking truck. Good lord is that power OP. Oh, yeah! Whole once (maaaaaybe two) per battle... And to single target. Freaking trucks from toy store.
ark123 wrote: Do you actually use him?
ark123 wrote: The ensuing cascade is often enough to murder a couple characters.
OTERSEY wrote: If, when, but, with strike tiles, after cheating cascade... Say directly: skill have good potential, but requires to many random conditions and luck. And this not good. Exist many much better red skills with guaranteed much better effects. So, main purpose of this skill it's remove all TU tiles from board. Over. Damage there only like a bonus. Build your battle strategy on this ability it's like build house on the sand.
NorthernPolarity wrote: I'd say the main purpose of the skill is the damage + cascade ability.
NorthernPolarity wrote: Honestly I think you're greatly undervaluing the ability: the only comparable red abilities are Colossus, DP, Cap, Torch.
OTERSEY wrote: NorthernPolarity wrote: I'd say the main purpose of the skill is the damage + cascade ability. Maybe. But I prefer quick raw damage without random circumstances. So, for me and for those, who prefer that battle style it's meant, what I say earlier. NorthernPolarity wrote: Honestly I think you're greatly undervaluing the ability: the only comparable red abilities are Colossus, DP, Cap, Torch. Honestly, you're forgot about Patch, Sentry and She-Hulk. Plus LT, Ragnarok and Psylocke like equivalent of non maxed Magneto builds: With 14 red and 5 covers Patch kill any single target + drop 2 awesome swords. With 1 or 2 yellow IM40 you got this pretty quick. With 11 red and 5 covers Sentry deals 4k damage to whole team + extra damage from cascades. Danvers help charge Supernova even more effectively, than IM40. This skill also remove all tiles one tipe in 8 of 10 incidents With 9 red AP and 5 covers Jenny deal 1600 damage to whole team + extra damage from cascades LT deals solid 1700+ on 4 covers for same 8 red and also may start cascades or charge sweety Thunder Strike on current turn Same and with Rag — damage little fewer, but and skill cost too (6AP) Psylocke not only cast red, but also generate decent swords, which may do every her next attacks and regular matches more stronger. And cheaper (8-5AP). All this skills I may cast with full effect on current or next turn so many, how many I have red AP. Instead Red Magneto, who transform in helpless baby after first cast and must wait on appear of new TU tiles. So why I must use puny Polarizing Force, except for destroy all TU tiles?
NorthernPolarity wrote: Okay yeah, after playing around with the team a bit, I'm now convinced that X-Force C Mags is the best 2 character combination in the game
NorthernPolarity wrote: OTERSEY wrote: NorthernPolarity wrote: I'd say the main purpose of the skill is the damage + cascade ability. Maybe. But I prefer quick raw damage without random circumstances. So, for me and for those, who prefer that battle style it's meant, what I say earlier. NorthernPolarity wrote: Honestly I think you're greatly undervaluing the ability: the only comparable red abilities are Colossus, DP, Cap, Torch. Honestly, you're forgot about Patch, Sentry and She-Hulk. Plus LT, Ragnarok and Psylocke like equivalent of non maxed Magneto builds: With 14 red and 5 covers Patch kill any single target + drop 2 awesome swords. With 1 or 2 yellow IM40 you got this pretty quick. With 11 red and 5 covers Sentry deals 4k damage to whole team + extra damage from cascades. Danvers help charge Supernova even more effectively, than IM40. This skill also remove all tiles one tipe in 8 of 10 incidents With 9 red AP and 5 covers Jenny deal 1600 damage to whole team + extra damage from cascades LT deals solid 1700+ on 4 covers for same 8 red and also may start cascades or charge sweety Thunder Strike on current turn Same and with Rag — damage little fewer, but and skill cost too (6AP) Psylocke not only cast red, but also generate decent swords, which may do every her next attacks and regular matches more stronger. And cheaper (8-5AP). All this skills I may cast with full effect on current or next turn so many, how many I have red AP. Instead Red Magneto, who transform in helpless baby after first cast and must wait on appear of new TU tiles. So why I must use puny Polarizing Force, except for destroy all TU tiles? Okay, I guess I should modify my original post to comparable red abilities on PLAYABLE characters, since some of the examples you listed are on characters that are completely unplayable. I didn't include the red abilties you listed for a reason: 1. Patch's TBTI is mediocre. 14AP takes almost twice-three times the amount of time it takes to get 9AP, and you need Patch to be tanking at least 2 colors for it to even be cost efficient (a tall order when he's not the featured character in most cases). 2. Supernova is terrible at sustained pushing, to the point where I don't use it in almost any circumstance unless I'm desperate. 3. She-Hulk - I didn't include red powers of unplayable characters because you would never run an unplayable character over a playable character. 4. Why would you even have 4 cover LT? If you're comparing characters, you need to compare them with the builds that they're actually played in, which in this case is 3/5/5 for LazyThor. 5. Rag - Unplayable. 6. Psylocke's red is mediocre. You could be doing so much more damage than 8AP for ~1k damage and a 220 damage strike tile. This is like 375 damage / AP if the strike tile survives for 10 uses, and thats a pretty big if. Your point about C. Mags having to wait for red tiles before he can use the ability doesn't matter in practice: it's not like you're going to stockpile 18 red AP before using the ability once, and by the time you get another 9 red AP to use it again, there should be more than enough TU tiles to kill. Think about it this way. High end abilities (CTS / fireball / etc) have an AP ratio of 500 damage / AP. If C. Mags red generates a SINGLE cascade (which I think on average it does? wheres mischief when you need him) on a typical say 8 TU tile board, then it deals 3.8k damage, which has a very respectable ratio of 400 damage / AP. This is probably in the average case: if you get more than one cascade or more TU tiles, then the damage easily hits over 500 damage/AP, which is in line with top tier skills. All of this for 9 red AP, which is pretty damn fast.