**** Wolverine (X-Force) **** [PRE 2015-04]

Mikaveus

X-Force has had a long reign at PvP 400 and up. For it to last so long, everyone knew this nerf was coming. Maybe we will see more variety now? I think he came away better than 4hor's nerf, but time and events will tell.

Unknown

His green is so weak in comparison to before now. Its not even near usable at 3 covers either...

It does what like 2.5-2.8k tops now? DP red does more than that for less cost.. Come on XF is a 4*, takes more than twice the amount of iso to lvl and buying his covers costs x2!! .. I guess they take the "destroyed" tiles too seriously so scale DMG accordingly

ojcAust

I am a 370 day player. I play each day, grind the PVE, battle in PVP and am part of the Lock and Load alliance. My view is simple, I am angry over this nerf and feel the pain of the veterans. I have invested hp into this character purchasing 2 covers to max as have the other 90% of XForce users.

Following the announcement of XForce being nerfed I have watched the forums explode. I have read pages upon pages in the Coming Soon: Character Changes post by Demiurge_Miles. What really surprised me was that the overall rating for the post telling us about the nerf is at this time only a -5 rating. I went to lodge my feedback and found out that as I do not have a 25 reputation I am unable to post a negative view. So a new player or 2* transitioning to 3* can say this is great and up thumb the post, but I cannot down thumb this, as up thumbs in the alliance chat do not seem to count towards reputation.

So I need your voice.... ***I now understand the veterans of the forum are keeping the post alive so the original information doesn't hide*** If our reading this, you are angry about XForce being nerfed. Head to the top post in the general discussion and leave your comments. I did as have many others and we all need to add our voices to make the point loud and clear.

Thank you for your time reading this.

xequalsy

People have been up-voting the first post because the forum auto-hides any post with sufficiently low reputation. You should lodge your feedback as much as you want in the actual thread, but please don't down-vote the front post as it will confuse people who may be coming to the forum to read about the changes and might skip over the first post if it's hidden like that.

ojcAust

xequalsy wrote:

People have been up-voting the first post because the forum auto-hides any post with sufficiently low reputation. You should lodge your feedback as much as you want in the actual thread, but please don't down-vote the front post as it will confuse people who may be coming to the forum to read about the changes and might skip over the first post if it's hidden like that.

Thank you Xequalsy. This was not fully explained to me so now I understand. I have edited my first post and have added my comments to the post, joining the many other voices that are not happy about this nerf.

Unknown

Upvotes are for posts containing helpful information, good ideas, a view that you agree with (instead of quoting it and adding +1 creating spam) or contribute in meaningful to the topic.

Downvotes are for spam, harrasment, personal attacks, going extremely offtopic etc. Sort of public moderation effort. They're not for disagreeing with poster or not liking the ideas (it's not yt/facebook). A person with huge negative points should be one that is trolling and disrupting forum, not one that have diffrent views from majority (circlekitty) or is just posting information on planned changes.

Wish more people understood the system.

esoxnepa

I upvoted it only to keep it from being hidden.

What we need is a well written poll to gather feedback for them. I spent most of my rage-based brain power railing against the terrible MMR changes, which I think are far worse for the overall health of the game.

To me, X-force basically needed to lose the AP drain on SS.

I was surprised they nerfed him so hard with the cash cow he was. I honestly considered him the most obvious Pay-To-Win aspect of this game, because you got one of each cover at day 180. I saw a fair number of 2* rosters with a 270 X-Force.

Unknown

The logic to this is about adding more characters to your arsenal. If people were just using Xforce then this is probably why they did this. They put far more effort into new characters by the week that they can't be bothered apparently by people who dislike the nerfs. It's really sketchy, but they really want you to be buying the new characters versus holding onto old ones.

poomermon

Since X-Force is going to be nerfed and he is no longer hogging both best green and black powers it opens many more viable character combinations. Which chars you think are going to be on the top of the new meta? My thoughts:

Cyclops looks a lot better with increased health and good 3 abilities.

Magneto gets a health boost and still has top tier blue and red abilites.

Kamala Khans healing becomes more relevant as matches get longer. Also aoe damage becomes better since you can't burst people down without X-Force. Not sure if she is better than 3thor but maybe that depends on the colours you need.

Luke Cage saves you bunch of health packs and his black is usable now with no X-force.

Hood becomes better now that you can't easily kill him X-Force.

Thoughts?

Arondite

Luke Cage + Magneto is kind of a beast team now.
LThor is still a substantial powerhouse.
FThor is still amazing.
Dr Doom has become stronger.
Black Panther is stronger.

vudu3

I'm probably going to respec my Cage from 5/5/3 to 5/3/5. I may want to respec Doom from 3/5/5 to 4/4/5 or 5/3/5. I think those are the most obvious changes. Not sure about Gamora--mine is currently 3/5/5 but the additional benefits of moving to 5 in green may outweigh dropping black to 3.

I'm not sure if any character's green needs to be updated. Iron Fist should still be 3/5/5 and Rocket & Groot should still be 5/3/5. Squirrel Girl and Kamala both should most likely get 5 green if that wasn't already your preferred build. I think Mohawk's best build is now 5/3/5, no question.

Unknown

I think the nerf on x-force is too much. I understand why they nerfed him but they took it too far. Not going to lie if you spent all that time and effort getting a max 4 star you should that character should feel powerful when you use him/her and his/her abilities. Personally if I were to nerf x-force I would keep the green and black ability the same but make it like the Hoods yellow and after you use the ability you end the turn. That way you keep the strength of the ability but balance it out better.

Unknown

Cage is overpowered and will probably stay that way given he is a pc posterboy.

Magneto 3 star is way overpowered much in the way that xforce was reverse nerfed (lack of foresight or testing ).

Thorette defacto becomes the 4 star cheapskate of choice.

Close up after that is iron fist and blade given their cheap tile generating.

Unknown

Tungsten wrote:

I think the nerf on x-force is too much. I understand why they nerfed him but they took it too far. Not going to lie if you spent all that time and effort getting a max 4 star you should that character should feel powerful when you use him/her and his/her abilities. Personally if I were to nerf x-force I would keep the green and black ability the same but make it like the Hoods yellow and after you use the ability you end the turn. That way you keep the strength of the ability but balance it out better.

They have shown a consistent lack of skill and good judgement from the word go.. so you should not be surprised. The trick should be to focus on **** unpopular characters marvel pays them to put out. You know those will always be good.

famousfoxking

tuscan panty raider wrote:

Cage is overpowered and will probably stay that way given he is a pc posterboy.

"pc posterboy"? What does that even mean?

Unknown

Also.. it should go without saying ( for those with an iq over 72) that xforce is a common drop. Even given away for daily rewards. This built in an element of fairness for loyal players and helped excuse his power.

Now we can get ran over by 270 thor 166 luke cage 166 blade or maybe now quicksilver can take a supersonic dump on my team.

ErikPeter

moving on

Obviously IW is getting the biggest boost, because of her simultaneous buff. From worse than level 94 OBW to maybe equivalent to the other 4-stars (we'll see...), along with X-force just being great instead of "i have the two best powers in the game"... You could maybe play with both of them! Use X-Force (the power) interchangably with Crush as the situation warrants, still keep Surgical Strike as a finisher, probably use yellow for Invisibility but maybe the occasional Recovery.

I think the change to the green power matters the most, in terms of using other greens over it, because even though 2k less damage is not a crazy change for a power that does 4-5k anyway, it does make it harder to just finish off Hood after a couple rounds, which gives him more time to bleed you. BP is a great character, but I still think I'd use Surgical Strike if I was rolling both. Unless I needed the damage spread out... similar to the situation now.

What about rebuilding him to 5 Yellow (offensively, matching Recovery tiles causes pretty decent damage and board shakeup now)? Think we'll see any yellow powers used less because of that change? E.g. I generally use Fury/XF because I don't have other strong purple or blue powers, and generally I'll pop Avengers Assemble instead of Recovery. If I had 5 covers in Recovery I'd use it over AA in a heartbeat. Either do decent damage or fully heal... No brainer.

dfields3710

Ok I will be honest I feel sorry for the vets and the whales who worked hard to lvl xforce to his max and now they are quitting left and right because of his Nerf.(kinda funny).

The reason I'm still playing this game even after the Nerf of sentry(my fav) is because nick fury is my goal. Everybody wanted xforce for pure strength and destruction and I understand that. But I never really wanted him, even though he was the best character in the game, he seemed boring. I like my matches fun and well thought out. Meaning I have to think about my next move instead of green kill, black kill, yellow heal. He's not even in my top 5 to get on the game and I already have him(slowly leveled).

You can say spoken like a true noob and I would agree but be honest vets you seen it coming, you just wasn't prepared for it. Now beast have a better green at less than half the cost to level xforce green and he ain't even in this season's rotation. Honestly I don't care for any nerfs since they did sentry. I play the game just to play it and the only thing that makes me angry is the new PvP matchmaking.

But that's about it, that's why I'm still playing MPQ.

P.S. its literally the only game I have on my phone.

My Top Five MPQ Characters
1. Sentry(Still beast after his Nerf)
2. Nick fury( dual demolition is enemy's death sentence)
3. Moonstone( because she is hot)
4. Psylocke( because she is also hot)
5. Gamora( can you guess why?)
6. Deadpool( because he is hilarious)
7. Colossus( because of fastball special)
8. Xforce(because he still is xforce)
9. Iron Fist(because of his passive)
10. Human torch(because 3x red=xforce dead)

Also I'm a 1* star to 2* player (110 days in)
Do with that as you want.

Unknown

EDIT before anyone goes thinking I wrote this thread title, the original author has his post auto hidden as a result of a very low rating, to see what he said, you'll need to click "show" to see the post he made


Oddly I don't really mind the changes this time round... I dunno if I just don't care or that this time it looks more like they're actually balancing stuff or the fact I actually won most of the xforce covers through playing rather than when I respent all the returned HP from the alliance member number changes into 4thor... which to be honest I still think it was a sneaky underhanded way to get their money back.

When I look at it closely I guess its cause in terms of my build for xforce I wasn't really hurt by it, but the build I had for 4Thor 445 was severally hurt on all three abilities as a result of the changes unlike the one ability for anyone who was 535. I guess also when I look at the other character changes there is more buffing/improvements going on than flat out widescale nerfing.

I'm still playing the game but I pretty much don't spend money on the game no more and will never spend another dime, but I will still play, no where as close to how competitive I used to play. So when the game does finally go down and/or end, I'd lost nothing but my time spent playing the game. So all's good!

ayatorahxephon

Yay.. good for you.. wait til your goal character get nerfed (Nick Fury) and by the time you realized that you're already a vet and that the new kid on the block said the same thing as you did now.