**** Wolverine (X-Force) **** [PRE 2015-04]

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Gah.... Meg.

SnowcaTT

Eventually you'll have your best character, or perhaps a character you paid for, nerfed - then you'll be here screaming mad and threatening to quit.

Or perhaps they'll re-skin one of your favorite "hot" characters....

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dfields3710 wrote:

Ok I will be honest I feel sorry for the vets and the whales who worked hard to lvl xforce to his max and now they are quitting left and right because of his Nerf.(kinda funny).

The reason I'm still playing this game even after the Nerf of sentry(my fav) is because nick fury is my goal. Everybody wanted xforce for pure strength and destruction and I understand that. But I never really wanted him, even though he was the best character in the game, he seemed boring. I like my matches fun and well thought out. Meaning I have to think about my next move instead of green kill, black kill, yellow heal. He's not even in my top 5 to get on the game and I already have him(slowly leveled).

You can say spoken like a true noob and I would agree but be honest vets you seen it coming, you just wasn't prepared for it. Now beast have a better green at less than half the cost to level xforce green and he ain't even in this season's rotation. Honestly I don't care for any nerfs since they did sentry. I play the game just to play it and the only thing that makes me angry is the new PvP matchmaking.

But that's about it, that's why I'm still playing MPQ.

P.S. its literally the only game I have on my phone.

My Top Five MPQ Characters
1. Sentry(Still beast after his Nerf)
2. Nick fury( dual demolition is enemy's death sentence)
3. Moonstone( because she is hot)
4. Psylocke( because she is also hot)
5. Gamora( can you guess why?)
6. Deadpool( because he is hilarious)
7. Colossus( because of fastball special)
8. Xforce(because he still is xforce)
9. Iron Fist(because of his passive)
10. Human torch(because 3x red=xforce dead)

Also I'm a 1* star to 2* player (110 days in)
Do with that as you want.

Black widow smokes the other women, but failed to make your list. Hey, nobody's perfect.

Vohnkar

I have my x-force at 166 with 5/3/4 and is my main source of dmg, he has been for at least 4 months already. Its annoying to have your most dangerous char nerfed (wolv is one of my favs, nerfed or not), but I can live with the nerf, I was around when the thorverine nerf (I had wolv, but thor was not usuable for me yet ><), and they hit me very hard with that one, 2* wolv was a beast, I was placing top 50 easily with him.

The worst thing about recent changes is the matchmaking system, facing maxed teams since the begining for 20 points makes the climb quite boring, you can play 3-4 matches and then you have to stop playing because everyone on your team is out of health. That makes the game slow and boring at times.

I will continue to play for the time beeing, after the changes Ill evaluate if the game lets me play or not. I don't like PvE (scaling, facing 200+ and grinding my **** of to place top 100 is not fun), if I can't play pvp cause the MMR is broken, then I won't play the game anymore, not cause of the nerfs, just because the game doesn't let me play.

dfields3710

So! They nerfed sentry my favorite to where he is unplayable and I'd still use him. If they Nerf nick fury I am still going to use him. Don't make insults because your anchors got nerfed, mines have been nerfed and im still playing this game faithfully. Get over it! I could of been raging and stopped playing a month or two after i started, but I didn't because I use team strategies. I don't just get one good character and dominate the game because usually that means you would have to use him every match because of matchmaking. I build a team so if I do get put in unfair matches the ones I can beat I can deal with accordingly.

So don't try to take your frustration out on me because your best character has been nerfed, been there had that.

P.S. no black widow is not hotter than moonstone, classic storm, or psylocke everybody else I agree with ya.

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dfields3710 wrote:

So! They nerfed sentry my favorite to where he is unplayable and I'd still use him. If they Nerf nick fury I am still going to use him. Don't make insults because your anchors got nerfed, mines have been nerfed and im still playing this game faithfully. Get over it! I could of been raging and stopped playing a month or two after i started, but I didn't because I use team strategies. I don't just get one good character and dominate the game because usually that means you would have to use him every match because of matchmaking. I build a team so if I do get put in unfair matches the ones I can beat I can deal with accordingly.

So don't try to take your frustration out on me because your best character has been nerfed, been there had that.

P.S. no black widow is not hotter than moonstone, classic storm, or psylocke everybody else I agree with ya.

I find your optimism admirable but, to be honest, creating a thread aimed at implying ppl should stop complaining about something when you have literally ZERO context is only going to get you hate. It's also pretty valueless TBH because you have no basis upon which to form an opinion.

You're basically saying: I have no idea what playing with 3*s is like, but in the event I ever get Sentry I would definitely use him cause I like the character. I also like Nick Fury, so in the even more distant future where I have an opportunity to use him I totally would regardless of if he's useful.....

I have no issue with any of that really, just not sure it's a thing that needs sharing (although feel free to OFC) but more to the point.... it's literally nothing to do with Xforce, balancing, high end play or indeed other people aside from yourself in any way shape or form. So why start a thread about your apparent love for 10 characters by speaking about the XForce nerf and saying how you find ppl being upset and quitting "kinda funny"?

Perhaps continue your thoughts on this matter in your quiet place?

dfields3710

bonfire01 wrote:

dfields3710 wrote:

So! They nerfed sentry my favorite to where he is unplayable and I'd still use him. If they Nerf nick fury I am still going to use him. Don't make insults because your anchors got nerfed, mines have been nerfed and im still playing this game faithfully. Get over it! I could of been raging and stopped playing a month or two after i started, but I didn't because I use team strategies. I don't just get one good character and dominate the game because usually that means you would have to use him every match because of matchmaking. I build a team so if I do get put in unfair matches the ones I can beat I can deal with accordingly.

So don't try to take your frustration out on me because your best character has been nerfed, been there had that.

P.S. no black widow is not hotter than moonstone, classic storm, or psylocke everybody else I agree with ya.

I find your optimism admirable but, to be honest, creating a thread aimed at implying ppl should stop complaining about something when you have literally ZERO context is only going to get you hate. It's also pretty valueless TBH because you have no basis upon which to form an opinion.

You're basically saying: I have no idea what playing with 3*s is like, but in the event I ever get Sentry I would definitely use him cause I like the character. I also like Nick Fury, so in the even more distant future where I have an opportunity to use him I totally would regardless of if he's useful.....

I have no issue with any of that really, just not sure it's a thing that needs sharing (although feel free to OFC) but more to the point.... it's literally nothing to do with Xforce, balancing, high end play or indeed other people aside from yourself in any way shape or form. So why start a thread about your apparent love for 10 characters by speaking about the XForce nerf and saying how you find ppl being upset and quitting "kinda funny"?

Perhaps continue your thoughts on this matter in your quiet place?

I understand what you're saying but the reason I say its kinda funny is because you've had to see it coming.throughout the recent changes. Of course they was gonna Nerf him.(hinted at 4hor nerf)that doesn't mean quit and play another game. That means find other people to fill his spot. No character is unbeatable unless D3p makes them that way. The reason I put the post here is to make people who still have him change the way they play the game. Instead of one characters beats all. How bout one or more different teams beat all. It would make it more fun and challenging because you have to decide which three is the best match for this match. Having to decide what character nullify this character and support this character while having enough life for your plan to work. Having to decide which power is the most useful for that moment and which is not.

That's what my post was about the rest is me being an ****(cause I want to). Also had sentry and nick fury (sold them because of blind ignotance). The others I either have or close to getting). Never had a quiet place, never will.

bknfoodie

skydivearcher wrote:

I'm still playing the game but I pretty much don't spend money on the game no more and will never spend another dime, but I will still play, no where as close to how competitive I used to play. So when the game does finally go down and/or end, I'd lost nothing but my time spent playing the game. So all's good!

I don't know why people are being hostile towards you. You're still playing, but <i>with caution.</i> I think people only read your title and decided to bash you.

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bknfoodie wrote:

skydivearcher wrote:

I'm still playing the game but I pretty much don't spend money on the game no more and will never spend another dime, but I will still play, no where as close to how competitive I used to play. So when the game does finally go down and/or end, I'd lost nothing but my time spent playing the game. So all's good!

I don't know why people are being hostile towards you. You're still playing, but <i>with caution.</i> I think people only read your title and decided to bash you.

Erm I was like huh?! when I read your post. They're not bashing me! At least it doesn't sound like they are. They're bashing the guy who wrote first post, which is actually hidden due to a low rating, you might want to go and unlock the hidden message...

I'm not sure why the first post is hidden just cause it got such a low rating, so it makes it seem like I actually wrote the thread

Sandwichboy

Honestly, this is pretty clear overkill. Which is really sad since basically EVERY other change coming to the other characters is good, or at the very least interesting. Yes, in his current state XF is the most powerful character by a mile, but dropping him back below the upper tier 3* characters is really missing the point of having 4* in the first place. If you're going to make it that much of a massive time/cash sink of pvp grinding and the gigantic mountain of ISO to get a "legendary" character maxed, there damned well better be a good reason to have not just used all that for two 3* that play just as well. Way more thought should have gone into this, especially given how the entire meta game had been built around this guy for months and months now. Not everyone has a diverse roster of all 166s, and having your most useful character get crushed doesn't exactly endear one to spending more time/money on the game.

JamieMadrox

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Eh.

I don't like if one bit, for how hard green was hit, yellow should have been shortened to facilitate it's usage.

but what I will say to those saying he's a glorified 3*, watching the other 4* characters should show that is sort of the plan.

As it stands right now, he is good for downing a single character. His black should OHKO 95% of the cast on a decent board, that is NOTHING to sneeze at. But I full on question his durability from now on. No more AP theft means he's going to get hit back on top of his cruddy heal.

I stopped leveling him for fear of what it would do to my PvE scaling, now I'm just going to start working on other 4*s. Kingpin has potential, and I feel like IW does too with the right team...
- Unreall

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For those who have used him for a long time. Out of sheer curiosity, which would be better? A surgical strike that does zero damage but still shakes the board, earns ap and, destroys enemy AP, or a SS that no longer gains or drains but does lots of damage?

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Edited to add final poll results

Item - Votes - % of Total Votes
...still earns AP and drains enemy AP, but does no damage - 17 - 52%
...does tons of damage but gains no AP nor destroys enemy ap - 16 - 48%

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I don't think it matters, without a decnt green he's not really playable, you can rework his black but he's nothing more than a trophy character now

FaustianDeal

This is another example of a situation where letting us train up to 15 covers and then letting us pick 13 points to allocate across our 3 powers (not to exceed the number of covers in a given color you have trained) would be a nice change.

GrimSkald

Okay, so I read the forums on Friday with absolute dread. I even freaked out a bit – I saw the nerfs they were going to implement on X-Force and I will admit, it looked like they absolutely sucked. My first impression was that the character was pretty screwed – but then I really started thinking about it. A few days later, and my opinions have changed. Please, hear me out. If you feel like I’m being a jerk, feel free to downvote me, but otherwise I just ask you to read and consider. To preface this post, I’m going to say I have a solid 3* roster (about 20 cover-maxxed, with about half level maxxed and the rest at varying levels of playability.) I have a 215 X-Force (5/5/3,) and I did spend HP on getting his black from 3 to 5. I do not have any other viable 4*s at this time.

One of the things that really made my stomach sink was an announcement last year that they were planning on releasing a lot more 4*s this year. Fury was the first of the “new model” 4*s – he was pretty powerful but had some serious weaknesses. We got the new, improved X-Force and GT within a fairly short period of time – both of these characters were head and shoulders above any 3*s, and became immediate play favorites with everyone who was able to get them. PVP became dominated by X-Force, GT, loaner. My own reaction was “well, more characters like those two are going to make this game **** – I can’t get them at anything approaching a reasonable rate and they’re going to be absolutely required to place well in PVP.”

What’s more, having 4*s dominate play is terrible for the game itself. The game revolves around 3* characters – 3*s are the main featured and reward character for both PVP and PVE (except when a 4* is introduced, but then it is one-and-done,) 3*s are the dominant slot of characters as far as numbers go. If you have a 3*, chances are decent it will be boosted sooner or later in PVE, and it will definitely be boosted in PVP once in a while. 4*s really screw with that mechanic – they’re only rewarded to a tiny fraction of players for placement, and are difficult to get via progression.

The main source of friction here is that they created an expectation of power level between the 3 and 4 star characters. With GT and X-Force, it looked like Fury and then Elektra were the outliers – they were underpowered compared to the average. However, with the introduction of Star Lord, Professor X, and Kingpin it has become increasingly clearer this isn’t the case – it was GT and X-Force that were the outliers. Their power level needed to come down or else no one would use anything else (which, to be fair, if they could they didn’t.)

Now on to the actual nerf. I’ll start by saying it is an unambiguous nerf – they tweaked the character up in a few ways but the overall effect was to reduce his effectiveness by a lot. That being said, some kind of nerf was necessary. Was the nerf too harsh? I honestly don’t know – it probably is but maybe it isn’t. I’ll go power by power:

X-Force – this power was an incredible takedown power – it was fast at 8 AP, does decent damage, and frequently sets up very unpleasant cascades. My view is a bit off, since my X-Force was under leveled, but I generally did 4.5k damage with it – enough to take down the weaker opponents in a shot. They reduced the raw damage by 2k – this won’t affect the tile damage or the cascades, so I’ll probably do about 2.5k damage with it. This definitely makes it much less useful, but I think it is far from useless, particularly when you consider cascades. This is the power that I think they went a bit too far on – it doesn’t compare well to other powers and I think they should have reduced the damage less, or reduced the AP cost. I find the latter option actually more interesting – if it was only, say, 7ap that would mean be able to fire it more often (with one match if you got 4 green ap from boosts,) and would help. I think at 6ap it is too cheap.

Surgical Strike – This power was the hardest hit – as it stood it was probably the best power in the game. You hit one opponent hard enough to probably take it down, drained up to 10ap, and gained you all the AP on the board of a particular color. Its only limitation was that it cost 11ap – I would call that on the low end of expensive. When I had 3 black on X-Force I used it as strictly a takedown/AP denial power, with the change in the power it becomes that again. But oh what a takedown it is! It will hit one opponent extremely hard, downing most so long as there is a good amount of that color on the board. The real drawback is that you are denying yourself that color as well – it becomes much more tactical in use and less of a no-brainer that the current power is.
Recovery – the improvements they made to recovery make it much more viable as a potentially damaging power. I don’t think I’ll respec my own X-Force, even if I get the chance, but more in yellow becomes a potentially viable build. It strikes me as a bit too vulnerable to board destruction to want to rely on, though.

To sum up – I do think that 4*s should not be that much more powerful than 3*s. I also think it was necessary that they nerf X-Force. Do I think the nerfs went too far? I think so – I really dislike unconditional nerfs where they reduce a power’s effectiveness without giving anything back. If they reduced the cost of X-Force by 1 ap I think that would be fair, and I think he would still be near the top of the characters. Even as he is, though, I suspect people will find him more useful than they are currently expecting.

To everyone who read all of this –I know this was very long, thank you for your time.

GuntherBlobel

I, for one, agree with you completely. I have also been told that no one agrees with me.

SnowcaTT

GrimSkald wrote:

To sum up – I do think that 4*s should not be that much more powerful than 3*s.

In an equal world I don't have any problem with the X-force nerf. He was everywhere, I ran numbers on the Hulk PVP and saw him (the unfeatured character) in more than half the matchups I saw. He's basically the "featured" character in every PVP, that can't be good. I think the nerfs did go to far - he should be similar to the other 4*'s, and on first glance it looks like he won't be as good as many of the othe4 4*'s.

I also don't have a problem if 4*'s aren't more powerful than 3*'s. If they are supposed to be, that's great - but the game becomes incredibly pay to win, where only those who buy the 4* covers (and possibly the ISO to level them) are on the top of every event.

I -do- have a problem that if the decision has been made that 4*'s shouldn't be more powerful than 3*'s, why do they cost twice as much to buy covers for, and (is it four times as much?) so much more to level with ISO. Not to mention why they are so, so incredibly rare to find in packs or obtain through normal play. If they aren't going to be "great", why are they hard to get and level?

GrumpySmurf1002

Jimilinho wrote:

I don't think it matters, without a decnt green he's not really playable, you can rework his black but he's nothing more than a trophy character now

This is false. His sustainability + still lethal black are plenty to keep him in upper tiers.

rednailz

You wouldn't be hard pressed to find a pile of players saying that xforce (especially SS) needed to be toned down and adjusted, but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who doesn't find this an overnerf (as D3 is famous for doing).

Cmags, Hood and IMO arguably Mmags were the only succsessful nerfs done in this game IMO.