Funbalancing Queue Update?

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You can easily nerf Spidey in the PvE setting by returning stun to how it used to be when it had no effect on countdown tlles.

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Dormammu wrote:

I hope Spider-Man is left alone. He's really not that over-powered. HIs heal takes a lot of matches to be effective (OBW is a much more effective healer), and beyond his stun he doesn't have that much to offer with low health and no offensive capability beyond match damage.

I too hope they leave spiderman alone, the level with modern thor and 2 green goons kicked my **** 3 straight times even with him, he's a utility player, if you don't get the right tiles you can't do **** with him since he doesn't deal any damage, and on pvp I don't use him cause he slows the match too much.

Question to all this people hating on spidey, how long do you guys play, if you're fighting 230lvls all the time and don't have a healer, what do you do if you want to keep playing and you're out of health packs after 3 matches, how do you guys play for longer periods of time if you don't use spidey to heal

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dolfanpescao wrote:

Dormammu wrote:

I hope Spider-Man is left alone. He's really not that over-powered. HIs heal takes a lot of matches to be effective (OBW is a much more effective healer), and beyond his stun he doesn't have that much to offer with low health and no offensive capability beyond match damage.

I too hope they leave spiderman alone, the level with modern thor and 2 green goons kicked my **** 3 straight times even with him, he's a utility player, if you don't get the right tiles you can't do **** with him since he doesn't deal any damage, and on pvp I don't use him cause he slows the match too much.

Question to all this people hating on spidey, how long do you guys play, if you're fighting 230lvls all the time and don't have a healer, what do you do if you want to keep playing and you're out of health packs after 3 matches, how do you guys play for longer periods of time if you don't use spidey to heal

Yeah, with Spider-Man if you get the right tiles he wins single-handedly but if you don't get the right tiles you can't do **** with him since he doesn't deal any damage

Meanwhile, with other characters if you get the right tiles you can do some damage but if you don't get the right tiles you can't do **** with them since they aren't dealing any damage

Wait...

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Spiderman is a problem in PvP too, as he makes it pretty much guaranteed someone will always retaliate you so most of the time you're just running in circles, but at least in PvP time matters so you could jump out to a lead and then shield.

I'm not sure why people think the roster for Heroic Jugg was that limited. Lazy Thor, even with weak covers, is one of the strongest character in the game. The only characters that would've made a significant impact was Magneto and Spiderman. You're still going to get a lot of Headbutts your way if your team was Thor/Punisher/whoever as long as Magneto/Spiderman is excluded. Even if you have someone like The Hood, the prevalence of Flamethrowers makes it pretty hard to keep him alive and you can't steal fast enough to stop a Flamethrower, and Flamethrower hits hard enough that The Hood's lack of HP definitely matters.

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Spidey is the last of the "old gods".

When we lose his current build it will be a brand new ballgame for many...

I just want my Legendary Wolvie to be usable...

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julio777777 wrote:

If they did nerf Spidey and Cmags there would be a mass uproar, those characters are currently the only way some people can even compete in PvE events... which is a real problem here...

Why would there be an uproar? Those players would simply be in the same place as the rest of us. They would still have a capable hero (if the changes are right) which means more options in your team member choices. Then the levels of some missions in pve would be were they should be and all of us would have a fair chance. This is only for this reason why I might be one of few who put the nerfs of these 2 characters (Spiderman - Magneto) before buffs to other heroes which are obviously necessary as well. Making a broken character so important in a pvp game (because in MPQ even pve is pvp) and refusing to change him for so long says a lot about the creator of the game.

When Ragnarok was nerfed they said it is because he is missing his third power which he still hasn't received. Why is that? Obviously it is not uproar they are afraid of in this case. AWolverine and MN Thor were changed because they was so good, players used them over 3* heroes. It was the right thing to do (although Wolverine was butchered), but there were also monetary issues behind those changes. It is probably why the situation was resolved swiftly and with determination even though they would have to deal with the uproar. Spiderman and CMagneto are 2 of the most significant attractions of the show and they surely keep making them money even now since players who don't visit the forums don't know they are destined to change. Could it be that they want those two around as long as they keep making them money? I wouldn't rule it out.

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Honestly, if the delay is to make sure the character's changes are handled appropriately, I'd rather wait. If they do it right, by the time the update comes the changes will allow people to transition smoothly to the new dynamic given how many additional 3 star characters that will have been added since the original announcement.

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I don't like spiderman at the moment because of PvE. But I won't hold anything against him since he is with ap generators.

Why are you releasing a gold captain america when the first one is broken and I guarantee the next one won't be much better due to ap cost.

Is Moonstone ever going to get more control over her powers and lower as cost?

STOP WITH THE 3* CHARACTERS ITS ANNOYING. We need more 1* and 2* characters. I haven't liked any new character since 2* Ares came out. He was SO easy to get and level as well as Hulk. Daredevil sucks, Psylocke sucks, Fat @ss Thor sucks. /.\

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There's no reason to add 1* characters because they are literally only useful in the prologue and 1* tournaments. Adding a 1* character is a waste and only appeals to collection focuses people and not game content. Unless you introduced a 1* and kept them buffed for weeks at a time in events at which point you might as well have just made them a 3*.

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Also if you don't enjoy Psylocke you're playing the game wrong, she is hands down one of the most fun characters in the game.

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You make more money if the game is more balanced, because then it's easy to make a sales pitch of how your latest new guy who is still balanced might be better than the 15 guys who are just like him, even if he's really not.

Currently you got Spiderman and Magneto who are clearly the top dogs in PvP and PvE. Unless you come out with a truly ridiculous P2W option there's no way people are dropping either from their standard 3 so it'd be awfully hard to convince people to part with more of their money. If Ragnarok was never nerfed, you wouldn't even need any other offensive option on your team, so why should you ever shell out for an offense-based character (which is nearly every character in the game)?

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jozier wrote:

Also if you don't enjoy Psylocke you're playing the game wrong, she is hands down one of the most fun characters in the game.

Psylocke is fun but she's pretty much just Punisher-lite right now, though the same can be said of most characters. The Punisher simply does most things better than any average guy right now, probably because of Judgment.

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Phantron wrote:

jozier wrote:

Also if you don't enjoy Psylocke you're playing the game wrong, she is hands down one of the most fun characters in the game.

Psylocke is fun but she's pretty much just Punisher-lite right now, though the same can be said of most characters. The Punisher simply does most things better than any average guy right now, probably because of Judgment.

Yes girl yes.

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NorthernPolarity wrote:

Just because a character is fine on defense doesn't mean that he isn't imbalanced. Under your logic a character with the move "Win the game when you use this move, but the AI can't use this move on defense" is perfectly balanced and belongs in the game. The point is that Spidey trivializes offense and warps the game, as you can see from the devs scaling pve missions to level 230 in the past almost solely because of Spidey.

I'd rather say because those devs are buried in excel sheets and code lines and gained extreme distance from the game. However some with power has "good" ideas and means to put them in the field, and then keep it there as part of CYA games as there ain't no such thing as 'I was wrong, this sux, pull it'.

They miscalculated all kind of stuff and keep miscalculating or alternatively are a bunch of perverts -- pick your poison. Spidey is a mere excuse and a poor one at that, as there's nothing new in how he works. Also I doubt that any significant poition of those zillon PVE players actually have him with 5 or even 4 blue covers.

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If more 1* and 2* characters are added maybe they would stop giving them 3* and 4* rewards.

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Phantron wrote:

Just look at the difference between enemy levels on Heroic Jugg and Simulator Basic if you need to be convinced of how Spiderman distorts PvE scaling.

And exactly how we know that Spidey is to blame for that?

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pasa_ wrote:

NorthernPolarity wrote:

Just because a character is fine on defense doesn't mean that he isn't imbalanced. Under your logic a character with the move "Win the game when you use this move, but the AI can't use this move on defense" is perfectly balanced and belongs in the game. The point is that Spidey trivializes offense and warps the game, as you can see from the devs scaling pve missions to level 230 in the past almost solely because of Spidey.

I'd rather say because those devs are buried in excel sheets and code lines and gained extreme distance from the game. However some with power has "good" ideas and means to put them in the field, and then keep it there as part of CYA games as there ain't no such thing as 'I was wrong, this sux, pull it'.

They miscalculated all kind of stuff and keep miscalculating or alternatively are a bunch of perverts -- pick your poison. Spidey is a mere excuse and a poor one at that, as there's nothing new in how he works. Also I doubt that any significant poition of those zillon PVE players actually have him with 5 or even 4 blue covers.

Yep. Don't get me wrong, I think a Spidey nerf would be good for the game, but what breaks PvE isn't (just) Spidey, it's that since the AI is so bad at using abilities, the only dividing line between "nigh impossible" and "not that hard" is if your team has the health or board position to survive match-3s or that "one backbreaking attack" (headbutt, CotS) long enough to activate your own ATU, or Recon, or Judgement, etc

The difficulty doesn't scale gradually with enemy level, it's always just a solid cliff between the "can do's" and "can't do's," which makes the scaling system asinine

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Instead of all the theories it would be interesting to run some experiments. Like a PVP with spidey banned. (He need no nerf or general ban, it's enough to do it in select events.)

Even just rerun any event of the past like that and look for the difference.

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pasa_ wrote:

Instead of all the theories it would be interesting to run some experiments. Like a PVP with spidey banned. (He need no nerf or general ban, it's enough to do it in select events.)

Even just rerun any event of the past like that and look for the difference.

Not a 10 day event.

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What the heck is the AI supposed to do when it often never gets a turn again after 15 turns? Is it supposed to kill you in the first 15 turn every single time? But if it did that, it'd really suck to be playing this game too.