No X-Force No Point

SnowcaTT

MajinDavid wrote:

People give up way to easily. You don't need an xforce to hit 1k. It can help but its not required. For the thor PvP rewarding elektra I used 166 Thor, (buffed to 249), 166 daken, 166 blade. Got to 1k points with roughly 400 HP. You gotta spend HP to get there so choosing your battles is important. Having a 4hor and xforce does make the 1k mark easier so I'm saving HP for events with her as the 1k reward. Most of the time my go to team is thor/ hood or daken.

Gotcha, all you need is three of the top 7 characters completely maxed, making sure one of them is the required one, and spend a whole bunch of HP.

Or you could spend the HP and all that ISO you spent on all those 166's on X-force.....

MajinDavid

SnowcaTT wrote:

MajinDavid wrote:

People give up way to easily. You don't need an xforce to hit 1k. It can help but its not required. For the thor PvP rewarding elektra I used 166 Thor, (buffed to 249), 166 daken, 166 blade. Got to 1k points with roughly 400 HP. You gotta spend HP to get there so choosing your battles is important. Having a 4hor and xforce does make the 1k mark easier so I'm saving HP for events with her as the 1k reward. Most of the time my go to team is thor/ hood or daken.

Gotcha, all you need is three of the top 7 characters completely maxed, making sure one of them is the required one, and spend a whole bunch of HP.

Or you could spend the HP and all that ISO you spent on all those 166's on X-force.....

OK if we are going with that route can you not make 900 points? I can normally get to 700-800 points using play around teams such as a 145 hulk/ 125 patch. Or a 130 5/5/2 cmags/ 115 5/5/3 doom. Requires a little effort and time but with some patience and effort with 2 good characters (not great good) you can get 900 with a couple of hops. Thus getting you those top tier 3*s to get you higher later on for those 4*s

Edited:by the way, 400 HP is better that 2500

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MajinDavid wrote:

People give up way to easily. You don't need an xforce to hit 1k. It can help but its not required. For the thor PvP rewarding elektra I used 166 Thor, (buffed to 249), 166 daken, 166 blade. Got to 1k points with roughly 400 HP. You gotta spend HP to get there so choosing your battles is important. Having a 4hor and xforce does make the 1k mark easier so I'm saving HP for events with her as the 1k reward. Most of the time my go to team is thor/ hood or daken.

So you spend 400 hp to get there. After that event how much hp did u earn thru the progress and placement rewards? Cos if it's not 400 or more there is only so long you can do that for without running out of hp.

U finish t10 and u in top 10 alliance that's only 300 hp

morph3us

Bad Habit wrote:

I myself came out of the 2-3* transition last season. And now seems I have to crack a 3-4* transition without actually being able to get the 4*.

Anybody else think this ??

I'm in the process of transitioning from 3* to 4*. I have four maxed 3*s, with a fifth on the way. My X-Force is 2/2/1, and my Goddess is 3/0/1, so both don't play any role in my roster at all. I do agree that you pretty much only see X-Force teams from roughly 600 points up in PvP, but I've been hitting the 1k progression reward in PvP when I've wanted the cover. As has been mentioned, you do have to spend the HP to shield hop there, and it's not easy, but it certainly is achievable. I've never been able to get away with 400 HP, it's more in the order of 700-1000 HP, but it's still much cheaper than 2500 HP, and it's fun trying to hit that 1K point, if a bit nerve-wracking.

Yes, that's still pricey, but if you restrict your 1K progression attempts to only X-Force, he's only likely to turn up twice in a season, with the number of 4*s in rotation now, which gives you time to rebuild your HP stores before your next tilt at 1K.

The main disadvantages that you face as a non-4* using player, trying to hit 1K are that you need to start shielding earlier than the 4* players, which means more hops until you hit 1K. I find I have to shield from somewhere in the 700s. The second disadvantage is that you absolutely have to hop as fast as you possibly can. If you're not re-shielded within about five minutes, you'll likely drop 100+ points from incoming attacks.

Both X-Force and TGT are both beatable with a boosted 3* team. There's not a lot of room for error, and like all things, you can fall prey to a bad board, but they're definitely beatable. You just need to make sure that the featured character on the defensive team isn't maxed out, because that's usually too much to handle.

As mentioned by Phantron, a lot of it is psychology. People see X-Force/TGT, and give up.

lukewin

Bad Habit wrote:

lukewin wrote:

Depends on what you want out of the game. Yes it is very discouraging to keep playing without an Xforce, and to get him, you're gonna have to pay more dues than those that came before you. Mine is only 3/2/3, having won the 3rd green by being T2 in last PVE. That and lucky token pulls, which I haven't seen much of, for him, are the only way I'm gonna get him to a usable state. With dilution starting in the 4* pool, it means it's gonna be awhile til his green or black are top 2 rewards, so I can just wait around and use my 3*s. It may not be an easy road, but I didn't start with an Xforce, so although I know what I'm missing, I can't miss something I never had. Maybe you can take some consolation in knowing you aren't the only one on this side of the non Xforce having fence, maybe not.

So out of interest.... what do you averagely score in pvp this season and last. Are you only using 166.

I agree my xf is 3/2/4 I think but since d3 made him the game changer I haven't seen him and neither have a lot of others.

I have no 166s. I can usually get in the 600s, with an aim to get to 650 before shielding. I throw up 3 hrs at the end. I don't even use my X-force. 128 SheHulk, Hulk, LThor, Patch, 127 Rocket & Groot. I usually climb with a combination of those, with Patch as the anchor, and prologue heal Patch since he is only 5/3/3. Last season/this season is where I moved most of those to 128. I'd rather have an A/B/C team around 128, then only have 2 at 166. I think the ISO probably costs the same, since I was coming from 104. I do one push from 0 to under 400. View it like it's a free shield. Less visible to other targets at that range, don't need to recoup points I've earned. Then a final push around 4 hrs or less, hopefully getting to the 650 prize (with new lowered progression) and shielding. Before I would just shield when I hit the wall, and didn't wanna hang out looking for holes in the wall with a target on my back.

MajinDavid

Bad Habit wrote:

MajinDavid wrote:

People give up way to easily. You don't need an xforce to hit 1k. It can help but its not required. For the thor PvP rewarding elektra I used 166 Thor, (buffed to 249), 166 daken, 166 blade. Got to 1k points with roughly 400 HP. You gotta spend HP to get there so choosing your battles is important. Having a 4hor and xforce does make the 1k mark easier so I'm saving HP for events with her as the 1k reward. Most of the time my go to team is thor/ hood or daken.

So you spend 400 hp to get there. After that event how much hp did u earn thru the progress and placement rewards? Cos if it's not 400 or more there is only so long you can do that for without running out of hp.

Was 4th place in that event. 100 HP. And as I said, save a few events. Last event I got 825 points and only used a 3 hour shield right at the end to place 15th. Which was 50 HP reward, and another 50 alliance reward for a gain of 25 HP after the shield HP deducted. And if I didn't care about top 25 it would have been at least 75 gained.

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morph3us wrote:

Bad Habit wrote:

I myself came out of the 2-3* transition last season. And now seems I have to crack a 3-4* transition without actually being able to get the 4*.

Anybody else think this ??

I'm in the process of transitioning from 3* to 4*. I have four maxed 3*s, with a fifth on the way. My X-Force is 2/2/1, and my Goddess is 3/0/1, so both don't play any role in my roster at all. I do agree that you pretty much only see X-Force teams from roughly 600 points up in PvP, but I've been hitting the 1k progression reward in PvP when I've wanted the cover. As has been mentioned, you do have to spend the HP to shield hop there, and it's not easy, but it certainly is achievable. I've never been able to get away with 400 HP, it's more in the order of 700-1000 HP, but it's still much cheaper than 2500 HP, and it's fun trying to hit that 1K point, if a bit nerve-wracking.

Yes, that's still pricey, but if you restrict your 1K progression attempts to only X-Force, he's only likely to turn up twice in a season, with the number of 4*s in rotation now, which gives you time to rebuild your HP stores before your next tilt at 1K.

The main disadvantages that you face as a non-4* using player, trying to hit 1K are that you need to start shielding earlier than the 4* players, which means more hops until you hit 1K. I find I have to shield from somewhere in the 700s. The second disadvantage is that you absolutely have to hop as fast as you possibly can. If you're not re-shielded within about five minutes, you'll likely drop 100+ points from incoming attacks.

Both X-Force and TGT are both beatable with a boosted 3* team. There's not a lot of room for error, and like all things, you can fall prey to a bad board, but they're definitely beatable. You just need to make sure that the featured character on the defensive team isn't maxed out, because that's usually too much to handle.

As mentioned by Phantron, a lot of it is psychology. People see X-Force/TGT, and give up.

I do agree ppl just pass on seeing maxed 270. I myself as I said will hit anything and have beaten the dreaded xf and 4*thor support teams. But 300 hp gained from a event is well under weighed by the 700 hp u spend to get there. So if it doesn't work you run out very quickly

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Bad Habit wrote:

MajinDavid wrote:

People give up way to easily. You don't need an xforce to hit 1k. It can help but its not required. For the thor PvP rewarding elektra I used 166 Thor, (buffed to 249), 166 daken, 166 blade. Got to 1k points with roughly 400 HP. You gotta spend HP to get there so choosing your battles is important. Having a 4hor and xforce does make the 1k mark easier so I'm saving HP for events with her as the 1k reward. Most of the time my go to team is thor/ hood or daken.

So you spend 400 hp to get there. After that event how much hp did u earn thru the progress and placement rewards? Cos if it's not 400 or more there is only so long you can do that for without running out of hp.

U finish t10 and u in top 10 alliance that's only 300 hp

I see your point BUT, you don't need to do that EVERY PvP. In fact, if you're aiming to max XForce (say) then that's every 5th? PvP that you might need to blow 400 HP to get a 4* cover. Youc an reasonably easily save that amount up in the interim and it IS an awful lot less than 2500HP.

If it's possible to get a 4* progression cover on 400HP then I would argue that's a perfectly sustainable way to play (although you may have to skip roster slots on new characters to save up HP depending on how quickly you earn it. That's more of a roster slot cost issue though IMO and from a purely practical point of view it''s not like that hero really matters (unless you're a collect-a-holic).

MajinDavid

Bad Habit wrote:

morph3us wrote:

Bad Habit wrote:

I myself came out of the 2-3* transition last season. And now seems I have to crack a 3-4* transition without actually being able to get the 4*.

Anybody else think this ??

I'm in the process of transitioning from 3* to 4*. I have four maxed 3*s, with a fifth on the way. My X-Force is 2/2/1, and my Goddess is 3/0/1, so both don't play any role in my roster at all. I do agree that you pretty much only see X-Force teams from roughly 600 points up in PvP, but I've been hitting the 1k progression reward in PvP when I've wanted the cover. As has been mentioned, you do have to spend the HP to shield hop there, and it's not easy, but it certainly is achievable. I've never been able to get away with 400 HP, it's more in the order of 700-1000 HP, but it's still much cheaper than 2500 HP, and it's fun trying to hit that 1K point, if a bit nerve-wracking.

Yes, that's still pricey, but if you restrict your 1K progression attempts to only X-Force, he's only likely to turn up twice in a season, with the number of 4*s in rotation now, which gives you time to rebuild your HP stores before your next tilt at 1K.

The main disadvantages that you face as a non-4* using player, trying to hit 1K are that you need to start shielding earlier than the 4* players, which means more hops until you hit 1K. I find I have to shield from somewhere in the 700s. The second disadvantage is that you absolutely have to hop as fast as you possibly can. If you're not re-shielded within about five minutes, you'll likely drop 100+ points from incoming attacks.

Both X-Force and TGT are both beatable with a boosted 3* team. There's not a lot of room for error, and like all things, you can fall prey to a bad board, but they're definitely beatable. You just need to make sure that the featured character on the defensive team isn't maxed out, because that's usually too much to handle.

As mentioned by Phantron, a lot of it is psychology. People see X-Force/TGT, and give up.

I do agree ppl just pass on seeing maxed 270. I myself as I said will hit anything and have beaten the dreaded xf and 4*thor support teams. But 300 hp gained from a event is well under weighed by the 700 hp u spend to get there. So if it doesn't work you run out very quickly

But as he said if you pick the 4* you want to go for then by the time it shows again you have that HP back. And 700 is a lot less than 2500. If you even spend 1000hp on your xforce, Thor, starlord or whatever that's a gain on 1500 in theory. That's 1500 you didn't have to spend.

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lukewin wrote:

Bad Habit wrote:

lukewin wrote:

Depends on what you want out of the game. Yes it is very discouraging to keep playing without an Xforce, and to get him, you're gonna have to pay more dues than those that came before you. Mine is only 3/2/3, having won the 3rd green by being T2 in last PVE. That and lucky token pulls, which I haven't seen much of, for him, are the only way I'm gonna get him to a usable state. With dilution starting in the 4* pool, it means it's gonna be awhile til his green or black are top 2 rewards, so I can just wait around and use my 3*s. It may not be an easy road, but I didn't start with an Xforce, so although I know what I'm missing, I can't miss something I never had. Maybe you can take some consolation in knowing you aren't the only one on this side of the non Xforce having fence, maybe not.

So out of interest.... what do you averagely score in pvp this season and last. Are you only using 166.

I agree my xf is 3/2/4 I think but since d3 made him the game changer I haven't seen him and neither have a lot of others.

I have no 166s. I can usually get in the 600s, with an aim to get to 650 before shielding. I throw up 3 hrs at the end. I don't even use my X-force. 128 SheHulk, Hulk, LThor, Patch, 127 Rocket & Groot. I usually climb with a combination of those, with Patch as the anchor, and prologue heal Patch since he is only 5/3/3. Last season/this season is where I moved most of those to 128. I'd rather have an A/B/C team around 128, then only have 2 at 166. I think the ISO probably costs the same, since I was coming from 104. I do one push from 0 to under 400. View it like it's a free shield. Less visible to other targets at that range, don't need to recoup points I've earned. Then a final push around 4 hrs or less, hopefully getting to the 650 prize (with new lowered progression) and shielding. Before I would just shield when I hit the wall, and didn't wanna hang out looking for holes in the wall with a target on my back.

There is a few in my alliance that have even rosters like yours. But that's what I'm saying 650 in pvp is an ok score not really going to get you moving fast. You need the top prizes to progress and can't hit the top prizes cos they already have the top prizes and are trying to build 2nds

_M4ru_

MajinDavid wrote:

For the thor PvP rewarding elektra I used 166 Thor, (buffed to 249), 166 daken, 166 blade. Got to 1k points with roughly 400 HP.

That's like 3-4 shield hops am i right? 2 wins per hop? How many points did you have before you started to hop? Any high value (30+) targets? I'm asking all of this because when i reach 700 with my 3* i hit a wall of 270 4* worth 17-21 per fight and as much fun it is to let's say hulk bomb those 270 4* it doesn't feel like it's worth the trouble (healthpacks for hulk ) for the points offered and guaranteed retaliations.

lukewin

Bad Habit wrote:

lukewin wrote:

Bad Habit wrote:

lukewin wrote:

Depends on what you want out of the game. Yes it is very discouraging to keep playing without an Xforce, and to get him, you're gonna have to pay more dues than those that came before you. Mine is only 3/2/3, having won the 3rd green by being T2 in last PVE. That and lucky token pulls, which I haven't seen much of, for him, are the only way I'm gonna get him to a usable state. With dilution starting in the 4* pool, it means it's gonna be awhile til his green or black are top 2 rewards, so I can just wait around and use my 3*s. It may not be an easy road, but I didn't start with an Xforce, so although I know what I'm missing, I can't miss something I never had. Maybe you can take some consolation in knowing you aren't the only one on this side of the non Xforce having fence, maybe not.

So out of interest.... what do you averagely score in pvp this season and last. Are you only using 166.

I agree my xf is 3/2/4 I think but since d3 made him the game changer I haven't seen him and neither have a lot of others.

I have no 166s. I can usually get in the 600s, with an aim to get to 650 before shielding. I throw up 3 hrs at the end. I don't even use my X-force. 128 SheHulk, Hulk, LThor, Patch, 127 Rocket & Groot. I usually climb with a combination of those, with Patch as the anchor, and prologue heal Patch since he is only 5/3/3. Last season/this season is where I moved most of those to 128. I'd rather have an A/B/C team around 128, then only have 2 at 166. I think the ISO probably costs the same, since I was coming from 104. I do one push from 0 to under 400. View it like it's a free shield. Less visible to other targets at that range, don't need to recoup points I've earned. Then a final push around 4 hrs or less, hopefully getting to the 650 prize (with new lowered progression) and shielding. Before I would just shield when I hit the wall, and didn't wanna hang out looking for holes in the wall with a target on my back.

There is a few in my alliance that have even rosters like yours. But that's what I'm saying 650 in pvp is an ok score not really going to get you moving fast. You need the top prizes to progress and can't hit the top prizes cos they already have the top prizes and are trying to build 2nds

What you say is true, but that's the way it is. I have accepted it, and long for the PVEs in the distant future where Black and Green are the T2 covers.

morph3us

_M4ru_ wrote:

MajinDavid wrote:

For the thor PvP rewarding elektra I used 166 Thor, (buffed to 249), 166 daken, 166 blade. Got to 1k points with roughly 400 HP.

That's like 3-4 shield hops am i right? 2 wins per hop? How many points did you have before you started to hop? Any high value (30+) targets? I'm asking all of this because when i reach 700 with my 3* i hit a wall of 270 4* worth 17-21 per fight and as much fun it is to let's say hulk bomb those 270 4* it doesn't feel like it's worth the trouble (healthpacks for hulk ) for the points offered and guaranteed retaliations.

I posted my general shield hopping experience at someone else's request in another thread. Reproduced here for your convenience.

morph3us wrote:

FaustianDeal wrote:

What 3* tandems are people using to win the 4* progression prize @ 1k?

I see the original poster say he runs LThor/Hood, but it sounds like he still rolled over to XF for the late push. I'm curious if anyone who has made 1K using only 3* characters (using poorly covered Star-Lord for Ask Questions Later won't disqualify you from answering). I've got a few alliance mates who have <10 covers for XF, and Goddess has fewer, so they are trying to get it done with 3*s alone.

Can you share some tips and cost estimates? What teams are you using, how many shields are you dropping, how many fights in a shield ladder, do the number of fights in a ladder change at different score levels? Anything you are willing to share might help some frustrated players.

I've made 1K (and 1300 pre-cooldowns) with only 3* characters. My X-Force is 2/2/1, and my Goddess is 3/0/1, so they're both unusable at the moment. Generally, if I'm trying to hit 1K, I choose Slice 4, although I've done it in quieter slices (such as Slice 1), although it can be dicey, as you definitely can run out of high value targets towards the end.

My initial climb is usually with Patch and Rocket & Groot, plus featured, just to conserve health packs. I usually find I can climb to just below 600 with this pairing (with the notable exception of the recent matchmaking test in Cat-5). I then tend to stop at that point, and let my health packs regenerate, if I've needed to use any.

I then push as high as I can. My 3* tandem are usually LThor and Black Panther. I aim for my initial shield point in the 700s. If I can hit 800, I'm doing really well, but my defensive losses tend to outweigh my ability to pick up points once I hit 750 or so. My initial shield point is usually somewhere between 730-780. I then alternate three and eight hour shields, using the usual eight hour shield break at the five hour mark.

My first hop is usually a double, sometimes a triple. After that, it's all doubles until I reach the 900s. I then choose to either do single or double hops, depending on the targets that I find. A typical score progression looks something like this: 750 -> 830 -> 880 -> 930 -> 960 -> 990 -> 1000+.

Approximate shield costs are therefore: 75 + 150 + 75 +150 + 75 + 150 + 75 = 750 HP. That's a general minimum. Occasionally I'll use a 24 hour shield because I can't keep to the exact hopping schedule (real life gets in the way!).

I'm a really soft target with that team, compared to most other people at those point scores, so it's of paramount importance that I keep each hop as quick as possible. I have to reshield within 5 minutes, or the hop generally fails. Generally, I note about 100 points of losses bouncing off my shields within a minute or two of reshielding, sometimes up to 200 points. Because I need to finish each match as fast as possible, I generally run with +3 R/Y, +3 G/B, and +3 all AP boosts. Occasionally, I'll have to top up my +3 all AP boosts towards the end of an event, but because I'm only aiming to hit 1K when X-Force or Goddess is up for grabs, it usually gives me time to restock on the all AP boosts. I'm also in the position of not having a workable Hood, so if I have to play a match vs Hood, I'll run match damage boosts for that too.

Once I include all the boosts, plus the occasional 24 hour shield, I would estimate my HP cost to hit 1K with only a 3* team is in the order of 900-1200HP, which is a still a substantial discount on the 2500HP to buy a 4* cover. I might get about 150HP back in event rewards.

I'm in an alliance with friends, which means I can't coordinate my hops, so periodically I check the leaderboard to see if anyone has unshielded in the top ten, line them up if they have, then wait for them to reshield before hopping again. I can usually line up at least a 50 point hop doing that, occasionally more.

In terms of matchups, X-Force/Goddess aren't a terrible matchup, provided the featured character isn't maxed out. There's not a huge amount of room for error, though. I can usually absorb an X-Force going off, but if a Surgical Strike goes off, or if I have a character downed before the opposing X-Force goes down, things tend to go south pretty quickly.

ScrubJay

It's the lack of transition that's the most jarring.

I have 12 166 characters and only about 4 of them see any play. People like Captain Marvel and Daredevil just get no play when I go straight from Storm and Magneto teams to maxed XForces and Thors at the 600 mark.

That being said, 1000 points is achievable with something around 400 HP. But 4* rewards are spread so thin right now it's just even more playing catchup.

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The thread should be "no shielding no point." D3 could give you a max xforce today and you still wouldn't break into the top ranks if you don't buy shields. I don't really know why xforce gets picked on a lot but judging by all the ppl gang banging me when I am not shielded, it doesn't seem like my max xforce hood is really a tough team to beat. Even your top players wouldn't be top players without shields...are they better off...yes...but shields must be bought or you can just forget about any real consistently high placement.

PuceMoose

lukewin wrote:

I have no 166s. I can usually get in the 600s, with an aim to get to 650 before shielding. I throw up 3 hrs at the end.

*Haha!* *cough* I snorted my drink when I saw "I throw up 3hrs at the end." I pictured you throwing up for three hours at the end of the event, being so disgusted by a last-minute drop in placement, etc. I know what you mean with the 3hr shield , but it did make me laugh.

After the adjustments to MMR that's my usual schedule; Break 650 for the 1,000 ISO and then shield. I usually make my final push about seven hours from the end of the tournament and drop an 8hr shield; there's usually less vicious fighting than at the < 3 hour mark.

I don't have a usable X-Force (3/1/2), and I don't even have 4Thor. I must admit to being guilty of auto-skipping X-Force, until one day I decided to say "Hey, let's give it a shot." Granted, it was not a "big boy"
X-Force (4/4/5), level 200, but it felt good to take one down. I have found that a *lot* of X-forces are not optimally covered, as others have mentioned. I've seen plenty of 1/1/5s, 3/3/3, etc. You do have to be careful, though; I've encountered a few under-leveled 5/5/3 X-Forces that wreaked havoc on my team (Only level 150? I can handle that, easy. "Green cascade... black-cascade... AHHHHH!! Now my team is a mess of surgically-removed limbs in a pool of blood. Whoops.")

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I usually don't see maxed 4* teams at 550-650 points until last 3 hours. I beat 3 xforce teams in last 10min of webslinger pvp. It's not impossible or improbable, you just gotta think and have a good strategy. I don't mind battling xforce unless they have 4/4/3 or better cover-wise. Even if i had xforce, i probably wouldn't use him that much. I find that using 3* teams is very enjoyable for me. You should play a game for fun, not a routine.

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Bad Habit wrote:

Is any body else starting to lose interest in playing. Last season it wasn't to bad. I was hitting 800 - 850.
This season it seems no point in shielding or having a real good push unless you have xforce. And spec the right way.
This season and everyone who hasn't got a maxed has been the same. At roughly the 550 point in pvp all you see is xforce. 8/10 he normally a minimum off 225.

Now I'm a free player (sorry think I bought 300 hp once £3) but now seems if you don't pay you won't win. It's hard enough to pull a gold from a token let known a pulsating 1. And even if he was to be given out as 1k reward you can't get close if you haven't got him already.

The strong are getting stronger as the rewards are better if your first. I myself came out of the 2-3* transition last season. And now seems I have to crack a 3-4* transition without actually being able to get the 4*.

Anybody else think this ??

My xforce is 3/3/5.
I just finished hopping with patch/hulk in Webslinger at 1047.
So no, I don't know what you're talking about.

You and some other people do bring up an interesting point: in this game with in-app purchases, many people who make in-app purchases tend to come out ahead.
Why you or anyone thinks this should not(or would not) be the case makes me wonder if you guys are old enough to be using touchscreen devices.

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Game trolled me super hard tonight by locking me out of a Punisher cover tonight, so yeah, definitely losing interest fast now.

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Daggg wrote:

Game trolled me super hard tonight by locking me out of a Punisher cover tonight, so yeah, definitely losing interest fast now.

Yes we see your entire thread about that catastrophe.