No X-Force No Point

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Is any body else starting to lose interest in playing. Last season it wasn't to bad. I was hitting 800 - 850.
This season it seems no point in shielding or having a real good push unless you have xforce. And spec the right way.
This season and everyone who hasn't got a maxed has been the same. At roughly the 550 point in pvp all you see is xforce. 8/10 he normally a minimum off 225.

Now I'm a free player (sorry think I bought 300 hp once £3) but now seems if you don't pay you won't win. It's hard enough to pull a gold from a token let known a pulsating 1. And even if he was to be given out as 1k reward you can't get close if you haven't got him already.

The strong are getting stronger as the rewards are better if your first. I myself came out of the 2-3* transition last season. And now seems I have to crack a 3-4* transition without actually being able to get the 4*.

Anybody else think this ??

Unknown

I want to say yes, but actually no.

I climbed to 650 in the spidey PvP, slice 5, 36h out and saw a single Xforce who didn't have enough covers to be better than a 3*.

I've posted that in a few threads now but it represents the most recent example of me playing PvP, so seems like the best one to go with.

What I think I need to do is try and get 1k points in PvP using 3*s since that is the real issue (whether it's 550, 650 or even more before seeing lots of XForce teams doesn't matter all that much if you can never win a 4* cover without owning a 4* cover (well a nearly full covered 4* to be fair since he's **** without 4-5 in black and 5 in green).)

Also, Xforce only has, at most, 10k something health. He is roughly as hard to kill as 3* thor. The only issue is denying his colours, even then you can let an Xforce go off and still win, just stop him firing off his black.

I guess it needs to be scienced at some point.

Unknown

Made an account just to say I completely agree. I'm on day 380 or so, and have been a free-to-play player the entire time (and maybe that fact will discredit everything else I say, I get that). I have an ok roster with several max leveled 3* characters, but a woefully under covered X-Force (and other 4*and no reliable means of getting one whatsoever. It doesn't matter what team of max leveled 3* characters I put out, I'll get chopped down well before earning one in PVP. I want to get better and improve my roster, but I feel like I'm stuck in a rut so to speak.

Am I doing something wrong or am I supposed to just accept this?

SnowcaTT

Bad Habit wrote:

Is any body else starting to lose interest in playing. Last season it wasn't to bad. I was hitting 800 - 850.
This season it seems no point in shielding or having a real good push unless you have xforce. And spec the right way.
This season and everyone who hasn't got a maxed has been the same. At roughly the 550 point in pvp all you see is xforce. 8/10 he normally a minimum off 225.

Now I'm a free player (sorry think I bought 300 hp once £3) but now seems if you don't pay you won't win. It's hard enough to pull a gold from a token let known a pulsating 1. And even if he was to be given out as 1k reward you can't get close if you haven't got him already.

The strong are getting stronger as the rewards are better if your first. I myself came out of the 2-3* transition last season. And now seems I have to crack a 3-4* transition without actually being able to get the 4*.

Anybody else think this ??

Preach it brother team-mate [but don't get to disinterested! ]

I don't think it's just X-force, I think it's Xforce/Thoress for now - and will be all 4*'s eventually. The game is transitioning to 4* (and devs say it is going to be easier than 2*->3*....so it better get much easier to get many more covers and much more ISO, and quick). 4*'s, IMO, should have higher health, harder base hits, and better abilities than 3*'s.

X-force in particular has been around long enough that many have him well covered, so you see him everywhere. It really seems the only way to currently GET 4*'s is OWN 4*'s. I know folks say you can beat 4*'s with the 3* roster - but you are probably asking for retribution attack as well. If/when they fix IW, you'll see her everywhere also.

I've been here preaching the word: "Skip 3* transition!". I put lots of characters to 127 and a few months back could choose: a couple 166's or a big X-force. I thought to myself - which one will I use more in the long run? So here I am with a huge X-force and two 140's (to help in Sim), I don't plan on moving anyone to 166 right away: I'll save the ISO for more 4*'s. Don't know how I'll get the covers though - can't hit 1K without 166's...but I'm not sure I'd be able to hit it with 166's either.

The bigger problem here is, as always, MMR. If you don't have max 4*'s, you shouldn't be seeing max 4* at 550. Lots of folks give lots of MMR solutions, to deaf ears apparently.

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I'm sure in the worst player with an X Force that hit 1000 is considerably weaker than the best 3* player that cannot hit 1000, but that scenario would only matter if we have say a blind match scenario where you cannot back out of a fight once you see the opponent's team without forfeiting. Psychology, unfortunately, plays a huge part, as a lot of people just sees X Force and give up. This greatly reduces the attacks an X Force team is expected to take while increasing the amount of hits any team without X Force sees. Since even a bad player probably wins at least 50% of his games, this translates to a significant disadvantage to anybody without X Force.

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SnowcaTT wrote:

The bigger problem here is, as always, MMR. If you don't have max 4*'s, you shouldn't be seeing max 4* at 550. Lots of folks give lots of MMR solutions, to deaf ears apparently.

I almost never see the max 4*s at 550, unless it's very early in an event where the highest guy is at 600, and in that case it's perfectly reasonable to see maxed 4* at that stage.

rednailz

Phantron wrote:

I'm sure in the worst player with an X Force that hit 1000 is considerably weaker than the best 3* player that cannot hit 1000, but that scenario would only matter if we have say a blind match scenario where you cannot back out of a fight once you see the opponent's team without forfeiting. Psychology, unfortunately, plays a huge part, as a lot of people just sees X Force and give up. This greatly reduces the attacks an X Force team is expected to take while increasing the amount of hits any team without X Force sees. Since even a bad player probably wins at least 50% of his games, this translates to a significant disadvantage to anybody without X Force.

A weak x-force is a disadvantage. Nothing I love seeing more than a 180 xforce that doesn't have 5 in xf or SS, or even 4 in both.

SnowcaTT

I've been waiting for a chance to post this, and no greater point than this thread:



Even newbies understand 4* is the way to advance most quickly. With the slow rate of 4* covers available, this makes the game more P2W than ever.

rednailz

SnowcaTT wrote:

I've been waiting for a chance to post this, and no greater point than this thread:



Even newbies understand 4* is the way to advance most quickly. With the slow rate of 4* covers available, this makes the game more P2W than ever.

That proves a couple points, one of them being some one decided to drop hundreds of dollars into a game at the beginning instead of playing it, which is kind of sad. That's like hiring someone in Korea to play your charecter in a MMO or RPG IMO

All that player needs is 1 of each cover for GT and a few hundred more dollars and they can retire.

Unknown

Phantron wrote:

I'm sure in the worst player with an X Force that hit 1000 is considerably weaker than the best 3* player that cannot hit 1000, but that scenario would only matter if we have say a blind match scenario where you cannot back out of a fight once you see the opponent's team without forfeiting. Psychology, unfortunately, plays a huge part, as a lot of people just sees X Force and give up. This greatly reduces the attacks an X Force team is expected to take while increasing the amount of hits any team without X Force sees. Since even a bad player probably wins at least 50% of his games, this translates to a significant disadvantage to anybody without X Force.

I have 4 166. Hulk cap gsbw and hood(535) I will attack whoever is in front of me and will rarely skip. But I can hit 166 and lose minimal health. A 270 xforce sucks my health pack right up. So it's lose lose situation. Take it on and last 3 to 6 matches or don't and last 7- 12.

Unknown

SnowcaTT wrote:

I've been waiting for a chance to post this, and no greater point than this thread:



Even newbies understand 4* is the way to advance most quickly. With the slow rate of 4* covers available, this makes the game more P2W than ever.

PERFECT as you said catt proves a point.

Pay to win or just play without enjoyment. Cos we no its frustrating not winning

lukewin

Depends on what you want out of the game. Yes it is very discouraging to keep playing without an Xforce, and to get him, you're gonna have to pay more dues than those that came before you. Mine is only 3/2/3, having won the 3rd green by being T2 in last PVE. That and lucky token pulls, which I haven't seen much of, for him, are the only way I'm gonna get him to a usable state. With dilution starting in the 4* pool, it means it's gonna be awhile til his green or black are top 2 rewards, so I can just wait around and use my 3*s. It may not be an easy road, but I didn't start with an Xforce, so although I know what I'm missing, I can't miss something I never had. Maybe you can take some consolation in knowing you aren't the only one on this side of the non Xforce having fence, maybe not.

rednailz

Bad Habit wrote:

Phantron wrote:

I'm sure in the worst player with an X Force that hit 1000 is considerably weaker than the best 3* player that cannot hit 1000, but that scenario would only matter if we have say a blind match scenario where you cannot back out of a fight once you see the opponent's team without forfeiting. Psychology, unfortunately, plays a huge part, as a lot of people just sees X Force and give up. This greatly reduces the attacks an X Force team is expected to take while increasing the amount of hits any team without X Force sees. Since even a bad player probably wins at least 50% of his games, this translates to a significant disadvantage to anybody without X Force.

I have 4 166. Hulk cap gsbw and hood(535) I will attack whoever is in front of me and will rarely skip. But I can hit 166 and lose minimal health. A 270 xforce sucks my health pack right up. So it's lose lose situation. Take it on and last 3 to 6 matches or don't and last 7- 12.

As he should. He's a lvl 270 4*, what else would you expect?

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rednailz wrote:

A weak x-force is a disadvantage. Nothing I love seeing more than a 180 xforce that doesn't have 5 in xf or SS, or even 4 in both.

I'm not convinced most people check what covers an X Force has based on the board and that I often see a team like X Force (3/3/?) + IM40 + featured with around 600 PvP points, which shouldn't even be possible if people regularly attacked them since those two characters are strictly inferior to most 3* you could possibly have in that configuration. That team sure isn't winning any games fast nor is it going to be defending against just about anything, so the fact it even has points implies there must been very few attacks on that team.

rednailz

Phantron wrote:

rednailz wrote:

A weak x-force is a disadvantage. Nothing I love seeing more than a 180 xforce that doesn't have 5 in xf or SS, or even 4 in both.

I'm not convinced most people check what covers an X Force has based on the board and that I often see a team like X Force (3/3/?) + IM40 + featured with around 600 PvP points, which shouldn't even be possible if people regularly attacked them since those two characters are strictly inferior to most 3* you could possibly have in that configuration. That team sure isn't winning any games fast nor is it going to be defending against just about anything, so the fact it even has points implies there must been very few attacks on that team.

No, you could very well be right about that. Checking shouldn't just be reserved for 4*'s IMO, if I see something that isn't 166 (or even sometimes if it is depending) I'll check the build to see what's up. If I'm seeing if my climbing team will hold up, Send me a 5/5/3 BP any day....lol.

But I always check any xforce under 250. It works both ways as I've seen quite a few fully covered at 200 or under. I keep mine at 200.

Unknown

lukewin wrote:

Depends on what you want out of the game. Yes it is very discouraging to keep playing without an Xforce, and to get him, you're gonna have to pay more dues than those that came before you. Mine is only 3/2/3, having won the 3rd green by being T2 in last PVE. That and lucky token pulls, which I haven't seen much of, for him, are the only way I'm gonna get him to a usable state. With dilution starting in the 4* pool, it means it's gonna be awhile til his green or black are top 2 rewards, so I can just wait around and use my 3*s. It may not be an easy road, but I didn't start with an Xforce, so although I know what I'm missing, I can't miss something I never had. Maybe you can take some consolation in knowing you aren't the only one on this side of the non Xforce having fence, maybe not.

So out of interest.... what do you averagely score in pvp this season and last. Are you only using 166.

I agree my xf is 3/2/4 I think but since d3 made him the game changer I haven't seen him and neither have a lot of others.

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rednailz wrote:

Phantron wrote:

rednailz wrote:

A weak x-force is a disadvantage. Nothing I love seeing more than a 180 xforce that doesn't have 5 in xf or SS, or even 4 in both.

I'm not convinced most people check what covers an X Force has based on the board and that I often see a team like X Force (3/3/?) + IM40 + featured with around 600 PvP points, which shouldn't even be possible if people regularly attacked them since those two characters are strictly inferior to most 3* you could possibly have in that configuration. That team sure isn't winning any games fast nor is it going to be defending against just about anything, so the fact it even has points implies there must been very few attacks on that team.

No, you could very well be right about that. Checking shouldn't just be reserved for 4*'s IMO, if I see something that isn't 166 (or even sometimes if it is depending) I'll check the build to see what's up. If I'm seeing if my climbing team will hold up, Send me a 5/5/3 BP any day....lol.

But I always check any xforce under 250. It works both ways as I've seen quite a few fully covered at 200 or under. I keep mine at 200.

I learnt about checking g 2 season ago and rudely got reminded in sim this season. Buy a lvl 93 blade. OK yes the cascade helped alot but he ruined my 166 team

Unknown

rednailz wrote:

Bad Habit wrote:

Phantron wrote:

I'm sure in the worst player with an X Force that hit 1000 is considerably weaker than the best 3* player that cannot hit 1000, but that scenario would only matter if we have say a blind match scenario where you cannot back out of a fight once you see the opponent's team without forfeiting. Psychology, unfortunately, plays a huge part, as a lot of people just sees X Force and give up. This greatly reduces the attacks an X Force team is expected to take while increasing the amount of hits any team without X Force sees. Since even a bad player probably wins at least 50% of his games, this translates to a significant disadvantage to anybody without X Force.

I have 4 166. Hulk cap gsbw and hood(535) I will attack whoever is in front of me and will rarely skip. But I can hit 166 and lose minimal health. A 270 xforce sucks my health pack right up. So it's lose lose situation. Take it on and last 3 to 6 matches or don't and last 7- 12.

As he should. He's a lvl 270 4*, what else would you expect?

I do expect that but I see it so early on the climb it's really of putting.

MajinDavid

People give up way to easily. You don't need an xforce to hit 1k. It can help but its not required. For the thor PvP rewarding elektra I used 166 Thor, (buffed to 249), 166 daken, 166 blade. Got to 1k points with roughly 400 HP. You gotta spend HP to get there so choosing your battles is important. Having a 4hor and xforce does make the 1k mark easier so I'm saving HP for events with her as the 1k reward. Most of the time my go to team is thor/ hood or daken.

rednailz

Bad Habit wrote:

rednailz wrote:

Phantron wrote:

rednailz wrote:

A weak x-force is a disadvantage. Nothing I love seeing more than a 180 xforce that doesn't have 5 in xf or SS, or even 4 in both.

I'm not convinced most people check what covers an X Force has based on the board and that I often see a team like X Force (3/3/?) + IM40 + featured with around 600 PvP points, which shouldn't even be possible if people regularly attacked them since those two characters are strictly inferior to most 3* you could possibly have in that configuration. That team sure isn't winning any games fast nor is it going to be defending against just about anything, so the fact it even has points implies there must been very few attacks on that team.

No, you could very well be right about that. Checking shouldn't just be reserved for 4*'s IMO, if I see something that isn't 166 (or even sometimes if it is depending) I'll check the build to see what's up. If I'm seeing if my climbing team will hold up, Send me a 5/5/3 BP any day....lol.

But I always check any xforce under 250. It works both ways as I've seen quite a few fully covered at 200 or under. I keep mine at 200.

I learnt about checking g 2 season ago and rudely got reminded in sim this season. Buy a lvl 93 blade. OK yes the cascade helped alot but he ruined my 166 team

I like blade very much

If it makes you feel any better (and I know it wont'...lol) I had a lvl 94 astonishing take down my 166 patch with full health the other day in 1 move, and astonishing didn't even use his red stike....lol

Unknown

SnowcaTT wrote:

I've been waiting for a chance to post this, and no greater point than this thread:



Even newbies understand 4* is the way to advance most quickly. With the slow rate of 4* covers available, this makes the game more P2W than ever.

Worth pointing out that team is terrible. I literally forbid anyone to skip a 270 XForce with a 2* if they have 166s!!! Deny 2 colours and you've got an XForce doing nothing, a loaner and a 2*. Even if he gets an XForce off you still win easily, SS is the only real risk of losing and if you can't deny an 11 black skill with little else to focus on the chances are you got cascaded to death and any pair of 166s can do that at least as well as anything that guy can put out.