Upcoming PVE Mission Points Change

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  • GothicKratos
    GothicKratos Posts: 1,821 Chairperson of the Boards
    Ben Grimm wrote:
    GothicKratos wrote:
    Heroics usually just depend on the roster that's open (which admittedly is usually awful, but everyone's is awful so...), but they are pretty boring, but I actually don't mind ISO-8 Brotherhood (I think that's the one you mean).

    Unstable ISO, maybe? The first ever PVE - it has a changing main board but no subs. ISO Brotherhood is ok.

    Ah, yeah, Unstable Iso is pretty poor. Top Five Worse, for sure. icon_lol.gif
  • Pylgrim
    Pylgrim Posts: 2,332 Chairperson of the Boards
    Just adding my voice the the communal extreme unhappiness about latest news. Back to grindville when a very desirable rewards requires minimum top 50? How do you justify that? It's a huge "screw you" to people who works full time. Only people who stay at home all day are "rewarded" with the chance of being able to grind every 3 hours to secure top placement.

    Protip: the people working full time are the ones earning money to invest in games. The slobs at home will rarely give you a penny. Incidentally, if you make hard for them to get the first covers of a character they will be literally unable to pay you for all the others.
  • Lystrata
    Lystrata Posts: 322 Mover and Shaker
    Personally, I'm still looking forward to testing out this '8 hour refresh' system. Y'know. In a setting where it's legitimately 8 hours. When it actually happens (what, 3 PvEs into the supposed '8 hour refresh' testing?), I'd love to give constructive feedback.

    This 3 hour refresh tinykitty, for almost a week, to maintain T50 though? Nope. Nuh-uh. Not a chance. See, the thing is, I actually work. That's how I've been able to, say, give you money from time to time. But until there's a system that at least part-way tries to cater to people that earn the cash you need for the game to continue existing, I'm done with the grind and shall find other entertainment for my money.

    TL;DR - ****.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    It is disappointing to revert back to the 3 hour mayhem. So much positivity for the 8, goodwill from most but the few ardent nit-pickers. It's a real missed opportunity lads. Disappointed by the not following through.
  • dr tinykittylove
    dr tinykittylove Posts: 1,459 Chairperson of the Boards
    Pylgrim wrote:
    Just adding my voice the the communal extreme unhappiness about latest news. Back to grindville when a very desirable rewards requires minimum top 50? How do you justify that? It's a huge "screw you" to people who works full time. Only people who stay at home all day are "rewarded" with the chance of being able to grind every 3 hours to secure top placement.

    Protip: the people working full time are the ones earning money to invest in games. The slobs at home will rarely give you a penny. Incidentally, if you make hard for them to get the first covers of a character they will be literally unable to pay you for all the others.

    Nobody wants 3hr timers. Don't diss people who don't work regular hours for whatever reason just because you are upset with the developers.
  • Pylgrim
    Pylgrim Posts: 2,332 Chairperson of the Boards
    dr tinykittylove wrote:
    Pylgrim wrote:
    Just adding my voice the the communal extreme unhappiness about latest news. Back to grindville when a very desirable rewards requires minimum top 50? How do you justify that? It's a huge "screw you" to people who works full time. Only people who stay at home all day are "rewarded" with the chance of being able to grind every 3 hours to secure top placement.

    Protip: the people working full time are the ones earning money to invest in games. The slobs at home will rarely give you a penny. Incidentally, if you make hard for them to get the first covers of a character they will be literally unable to pay you for all the others.

    Nobody wants 3hr timers. Don't diss people who don't work regular hours for whatever reason just because you are upset with the developers.

    My bad. Thing is that I have actually seen some supporters of the 3h refresh, because 8h is "too long" and they get bored or something.
  • fmftint
    fmftint Posts: 3,653 Chairperson of the Boards
    Why is it this is the only test that did not stick after one trial?
    PVP time slices
    PVE time slices
    Shield cool down
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    T0kubeater wrote:
    It is disappointing to revert back to the 3 hour mayhem. So much positivity for the 8, goodwill from most but the few ardent nit-pickers. It's a real missed opportunity lads. Disappointed by the not following through.

    so the people who don't enjoy the 8 hour refreshes are nitpickers? get real.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Pylgrim wrote:
    Just adding my voice the the communal extreme unhappiness about latest news. Back to grindville when a very desirable rewards requires minimum top 50? How do you justify that? It's a huge "screw you" to people who works full time. Only people who stay at home all day are "rewarded" with the chance of being able to grind every 3 hours to secure top placement.

    Protip: the people working full time are the ones earning money to invest in games. The slobs at home will rarely give you a penny. Incidentally, if you make hard for them to get the first covers of a character they will be literally unable to pay you for all the others.

    wow, the condescending meter just broke with this post.
  • CrookedKnight
    CrookedKnight Posts: 2,579 Chairperson of the Boards
    fmftint wrote:
    Why is it this is the only test that did not stick after one trial?
    PVP time slices
    PVE time slices
    Shield cool down

    Probably because refresh times are set separately for each individual event, rather than being a global property of the game. Miles said they have to prepare events about a week in advance, meaning TaT was set up, including choosing refresh times, before they knew what the results of the test would be. Slice mechanics and shield cool-down don't have to be specified when the event is prepped, so they could change those to the new formats on the fly immediately after testing.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    I'm not liking the 8-hour refresh. For folks with a busy schedule at work, who can't take time to play a round, it means only one play session (at full points) per day. 8 hours is overboard. 3 or 4 would be better. For me getting only one good play per day will mean that I loose interest and do something else.

    BAD IDEA! Please don't do it!
  • morgh
    morgh Posts: 539 Critical Contributor
    8-hour refreshes is one of the best things that happenned so do not listen to people who like Dueldar do not even know what they are saying... with 8 hour refreshes you can play close to optimally even if you do not wait 8 hours but are reasonably close to it. Furthermore - no more waking up every 2.5 hour at night if you really want that top1/top2 award - and this is golden... after 2 days and nights of such activity I was pretty much a zombie... AND then I still did not get top1 when family matters came first... so yeah - 8 hours are golden - please keep them icon_e_smile.gif
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    morgh wrote:
    8-hour refreshes is one of the best things that happenned so do not listen to people who like Dueldar do not even know what they are saying... with 8 hour refreshes you can play close to optimally even if you do not wait 8 hours but are reasonably close to it. Furthermore - no more waking up every 2.5 hour at night if you really want that top1/top2 award - and this is golden... after 2 days and nights of such activity I was pretty much a zombie... AND then I still did not get top1 when family matters came first... so yeah - 8 hours are golden - please keep them icon_e_smile.gif

    I cannot agree more. I have finished 10th one time with 2.5 hour refreshes. I finished top10 in the first 8 hour and am in a 3 way fight for top2 this time. While I cannot play every node optimally, even making a clear at the 4 or 5 hour mark is almost full points and it comes down to who can clear more nodes down the stretch. Rewards the players who have deep rosters and can manage their health packs, not the ones who are willing to turn their lives upside down to be playing every 2.5 hours. Great quality of life adjustment for this game.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    I'm finding the 8 hour refresh to be surprisingly boring with scaling being as low as they recently are, though I'll still take boring over the old madhouse format. I hope they have some long term plan though, because doing a pass every 8 hours on some trivial nodes and then hope you don't get blitzed at the end by someone with better scaling than you is pretty stupid. When they said they're changing it to the 8 hour I sort of envisioned everything will be at the difficulty of Simulator Hard where 8 hours might not necessarily be enough to beat all the nodes due to the difficulty involved so we got to squeeze out the maximum capacity out of our roster in an 8 hour timespan, and yet the opposite has happened so far.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Phantron wrote:
    When they said they're changing it to the 8 hour I sort of envisioned everything will be at the difficulty of Simulator Hard where 8 hours might not necessarily be enough to beat all the nodes due to the difficulty involved so we got to squeeze out the maximum capacity out of our roster in an 8 hour timespan, and yet the opposite has happened so far.

    To do that they would have to increase the lvl cap over 395. The last run of hell's Kitchen just about every node was at 395 and they were all doable in way under 8 hours worth of health packs.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Much better like this. Now it's almost back to being a game, rather than an exercise in sleep deprivation.
  • slidecage
    slidecage Posts: 3,514 Chairperson of the Boards
    morgh wrote:
    8-hour refreshes is one of the best things that happenned so do not listen to people who like Dueldar do not even know what they are saying... with 8 hour refreshes you can play close to optimally even if you do not wait 8 hours but are reasonably close to it. Furthermore - no more waking up every 2.5 hour at night if you really want that top1/top2 award - and this is golden... after 2 days and nights of such activity I was pretty much a zombie... AND then I still did not get top1 when family matters came first... so yeah - 8 hours are golden - please keep them icon_e_smile.gif

    i say REMOVE The 8 hour refresh and put them back to 4 hour. you did not have to wake up every 2.5 hour just play the nods down to your refresh time yea you will not get 100% points but you did not have to get up every 2.5 hours. Now with 8 hour refresh your FORCE to get here every 8 hours or you will be SOL. When stage 2 started i knew i would not be home for 13 hours so what was i to do.

    Play play nods once and then be behind 5 hours (good luck catching up with that) everyone else)
    Play plays twice and have a 16 hour wait.

    I did the second but when i check back in the last 3 nods went from goons that was 120 to 150 to GOONS that was 200 to 350 they level went from NORMAL TO INSANE cause i played the nod twice and pushed the wait time to 16 hours.

    at least with the 3 hour nods you could play at your own pace and dont have to worry about your nods going from NORMAL TO INSANE in 8 hours
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Community scaling gets worse with shorter refresh times. The more people hit the nodes, the higher the levels go, so shorter refresh times will make the scaling worse. If you think the scaling is too high now, it's got nothing on what it would be with 4-hour refresh times.
  • ShanePHallam
    ShanePHallam Posts: 94 Match Maker
    I am def. an advocate for the 8 hour refresh times. Optimally, I'd probably prefer 6, but it is semantics. Great change by the staff recognizing that this game isn't life. If the PVE rumors are correct, then this will be perfect with another mode to fill the time if you have it but still not go crazy like the 2.5 hour refreshes.

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