Is it possible that they're actually scrapping Speed Evil?

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Zathrus wrote:

I find this hilarious.

The top dogs aren't playing the LRs -- we already have all the covers (or enough to make placing not really worthwhile). The people vying in the LRs are people who are transitioning to that status.

On a lark I tried making it to top 2 in Magneto, since I still need a red. Wasn't going to happen without a lot more effort on my part. I'd rather just pull that red from a token or pay for it with HP. My Mags isn't level blocked yet anyway.

Completely agree. People who have all the covers will basically get to 500 ISO and stop. I don't know of many people that keep grinding.

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DumDumDugn wrote:

The problem is you newer players want mags and rags immediately. Go build a hood or doom first, then play with the big boys. It's a series of progressions.

Build a Hood or Doom? Not trying to be offensive here, but what does it look like I'm trying to do? I've been hitting all of them, in fact I've been avoiding Ragnarok LRs as much as I can. I even went through with Loki. Got 5 purple loki and only one black.

I can never make it to the top 8, so I can't get the Black Loki. So during the Loki tourneys, I aim for 26-50. Only to get screwed in the **** in the last 2 mins, and got pushed to top 100 instead. At least the Heroics aren't too bad. Unless it's a bagman, or another Daken.

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DumDumDugn wrote:

entropic01 wrote:

mechgouki wrote:

I personally have to agree with phantron.

Look, you experienced users don't get it, or at least don't remember how hard the Lightning Rounds is.

Try doing the LR aiming for a cover, with your 2* Level 85 team. Don't use your Rags or Mags. Then maybe you'll start to see what I mean.

I top 2'd a Mag lightning round with 2 stars in mid to late December which is considered the most competitive now

Damn I've only got 1 top 2 in a mags round and i use a 115 rag / 128 mag / 141 spidey lol

I'm jealous of your team but on my way now. Got my rag and spidey in their 80s finally.

I really think people underestimate the ability to play fast. I have about 5 friends that play and I play way way faster than them. I usually have 2 moves in mind before my turn

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mechgouki wrote:

DumDumDugn wrote:

The problem is you newer players want mags and rags immediately. Go build a hood or doom first, then play with the big boys. It's a series of progressions.

Build a Hood or Doom? Not trying to be offensive here, but what does it look like I'm trying to do? I've been hitting all of them, in fact I've been avoiding Ragnarok LRs as much as I can. I even went through with Loki. Got 5 purple loki and only one black.

I can never make it to the top 8, so I can't get the Black Loki. So during the Loki tourneys, I aim for 26-50. Only to get screwed in the **** in the last 2 mins, and got pushed to top 100 instead. At least the Heroics aren't too bad. Unless it's a bagman, or another Daken.

If you can consistently place in top 50 then there's nothing to complain about.

And there's almost zero competition in the doom rounds nowadays, the teams placing in the top 8 are mediocre. Are you using boosts?

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I haven't bought any covers and I'm slowly moving my way up in lightning rounds. I can place in the Diabolical range and occasionally the higher tiers if I have the time to focus (so after work). It's doable. Especially because the Doom rounds aren't competitive and Doom is actually a really good starter villain. High HP, high damage once you get his black covers and level up, great match damage.

A team of villain, max wolvie and another (like Thor or OBW) should be enough to start getting you into the Diabolical range and then it's all up to luck. Which is not a bad thing. If everyone could just run around with maxed villains the game would be boring. I play because I like collecting things. It wouldn't be nearly as fun if it was just handed to me.

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DumDumDugn wrote:

It's a series of progressions.

This is the beauty behind LRs. And recent issues aside they are something we can count on for continued progression unlike the prologue and random tourneys.

Of course if you look at it with the goal of immediately winning multiple *** covers you're going to be disappointed.

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Phantron wrote:

In The Hulk event, Wolverine is only boosted 80% and yet he's pretty much a one man team in that event. Imagine he's boosted 200%, and that most of your opponents do not have Wolverine. That's what LR is. Sure anybody can get lucky, but hoping your name happens to not show up on people's attack list is not progression.

I sincerely apologize if I am coming across as pedantic, but look at what you just said. If you do not have high level villains, and you are consistently seeing them in your match choices, your rating is too high. That's why you are frustrated (at least you seem to be, again apologies if I am misreading). This is exactly why I continue to argue for a decay in the rating, because of this exact situation, which I found myself in back in late November.

If you play aggressively in the process of becoming competitive by playing the game the way you are supposed to, you will inevitably wind up with a rating that is too high, with no way to remedy the situation other than exploiting game mechanics to lower your rating. For example, maybe you have a rocking IM40 and have been killing it in double shot. That leads to you seeing an army of high-level Ragnaroks in LRs, which is a problem. I don't think there is anyone on this forum that would make a rational argument that someone without high level 3* villains should be getting matched up with people that do, but that's exactly what happens. And THAT is the problem, not the lightning rounds themselves.

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I’m going to have to agree with the veterans here, I finished top 8 in Rag tourney three weeks ago with a lvl 70 Thor/80 Wolv/30 Rag along with some luck getting 2 red rag in the Diabolical token by finishing top 50

2 weeks ago started to consistently place top 8/25 thanks to Rag

Now running a team of 100 Rag/80 Mag/Wolverine or random villain this week. It is possible….just takes work

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DumDumDugn wrote:

Phantron wrote:

Will any of the guys offering advice actually try to do a LR without using a high level villian to demonstrate how it's done right now? Of course anything is possible. Find an off peak hour plus the general insanity of the LR anything is possible. Doesn't mean you've a way to actually approach even a level 100 Loki without having a similar character when that guy shows up on your attack list due to his 200% boost, and that's by far the weakest villian.

In The Hulk event, Wolverine is only boosted 80% and yet he's pretty much a one man team in that event. Imagine he's boosted 200%, and that most of your opponents do not have Wolverine. That's what LR is. Sure anybody can get lucky, but hoping your name happens to not show up on people's attack list is not progression.

Us with high level villains also have high MMR so it's much harder for us.

Unfortunately for us 2 stars users, people with teams like yours show up on our lists. If I had a nickel every time a 115 Rag banged me in the LR....

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Phantron wrote:

Will any of the guys offering advice actually try to do a LR without using a high level villian to demonstrate how it's done right now?

No, because we CANNOT.

Our MMR is different from someone who has that team. Even if you tank it's different. I start seeing high level villain teams after about 20 matches now, since they keep changing the matchmaking algorithm to reduce the effect of tanking (hurray).

But, please, keep ignoring the statements of people who have actually done it and keep whining instead. That'll definitely improve things.

You seem to think that those of us with high level teams have had it easy. Sorry. Nope. I played this game for 3 months straight, not playing any other games, before I started breaking into the high level group. And I paid $0 to do it.

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It's hard, but it's meant to be hard.

Some of the LR are way more competitive than others.

I don't have any characters over 85 yet and have placed quite highly in some of the LRs. Top 10 or so in a Doom round yesterday. Not the Mag or Rag one's obviously

I try to sneak in with as low an MMR as possible so that i'm not on any of the 100+ level peoples radar.

There are different strategies and yes it can be difficult. But trying for the top and or for top 50 or whatever is the challenge... you won't always get what you want. Hitting top 50 seems to be quite a challenge sometimes. I usually end up top 100 instead.

I think people are getting a little too entitled when two big Hulk events reward you with so much just for showing up... Sure it's great. But there's a lot to be said for PvE vs PvP.

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Zathrus wrote:

Phantron wrote:

Will any of the guys offering advice actually try to do a LR without using a high level villian to demonstrate how it's done right now?

No, because we CANNOT.

Our MMR is different from someone who has that team. Even if you tank it's different. I start seeing high level villain teams after about 20 matches now, since they keep changing the matchmaking algorithm to reduce the effect of tanking (hurray).

But, please, keep ignoring the statements of people who have actually done it and keep whining instead. That'll definitely improve things.

You seem to think that those of us with high level teams have had it easy. Sorry. Nope. I played this game for 3 months straight, not playing any other games, before I started breaking into the high level group. And I paid $0 to do it.

Yea I notice I end up in MMR hell much faster than before. I have to tank soooooooo much in every lightning round just to avoid it.

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DumDumDugn wrote:

Yea I notice I end up in MMR hell much faster than before. I have to tank soooooooo much in every lightning round just to avoid it.

I haven't tanked the last few, simply because I think tanking is going to become counterproductive very quickly with shields now.

I couldn't say in the first Double Shot tournament, since I ended up placing somewhere below #4900 (out of 5000...), but I'll actually be playing in the second round.

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DumDumDugn wrote:

Zathrus wrote:

Phantron wrote:

Will any of the guys offering advice actually try to do a LR without using a high level villian to demonstrate how it's done right now?

No, because we CANNOT.

Our MMR is different from someone who has that team. Even if you tank it's different. I start seeing high level villain teams after about 20 matches now, since they keep changing the matchmaking algorithm to reduce the effect of tanking (hurray).

But, please, keep ignoring the statements of people who have actually done it and keep whining instead. That'll definitely improve things.

You seem to think that those of us with high level teams have had it easy. Sorry. Nope. I played this game for 3 months straight, not playing any other games, before I started breaking into the high level group. And I paid $0 to do it.

Yea I notice I end up in MMR hell much faster than before. I have to tank soooooooo much in every lightning round just to avoid it.

Glad you guys mentioned this because I was starting to see the same thing. Freebie matches dry up faster for sure now

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Zathrus wrote:

DumDumDugn wrote:

Yea I notice I end up in MMR hell much faster than before. I have to tank soooooooo much in every lightning round just to avoid it.

I haven't tanked the last few, simply because I think tanking is going to become counterproductive very quickly with shields now.

I couldn't say in the first Double Shot tournament, since I ended up placing somewhere below #4900 (out of 5000...), but I'll actually be playing in the second round.

I still think tanking is viable because it scales nicely with your rating for that tournament. At the start you get freebies, and once you hit like 600+ points then you're back in MMR hell and still have 30 pt targets.

Being in MMR hell at 0 pts is incredibly frustrating though. You'll almost never make it out of 500 points unless you are playing at an odd time where nobody else is.

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I tried to tank in the Hood tourney after I dropped out of Diabolical range but it seems to not have worked. My seed teams are low level Doom/Wolvie/OBW in the 50s. People really underrate the effect MMR has on your ability to place and play well.

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jozier wrote:

I tried to tank in the Hood tourney after I dropped out of Diabolical range but it seems to not have worked. My seed teams are low level Doom/Wolvie/OBW in the 50s. People really underrate the effect MMR has on your ability to place and play well.

Yes, the newer players have no idea how awful MMR hell is.

Beating a 85 thor/85 wolv team using 85 thor/85 wolv is MUCH easier than beating a 115/141/141 rags/mags/spidey team with the same team.

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DumDumDugn wrote:

If you can consistently place in top 50 then there's nothing to complain about.

And there's almost zero competition in the doom rounds nowadays, the teams placing in the top 8 are mediocre. Are you using boosts?

Consistently? Not a chance in hell.

Can I place in top 26-50 if I am lucky enough? Yes.

Have you seen my topic about the Hood LR that just happened?

I literally got gang banged. When the errors kick in. First I was at #8 with a near 400 score. Then I get **** all of a sudden by around 10 people at almost the same time, each taking around -20 to -33. I ended up with 169, and placed in the top 1000.

Now that's consistency.

-_-'

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mechgouki wrote:

DumDumDugn wrote:

If you can consistently place in top 50 then there's nothing to complain about.

And there's almost zero competition in the doom rounds nowadays, the teams placing in the top 8 are mediocre. Are you using boosts?

Consistently? Not a chance in hell.

Can I place in top 26-50 if I am lucky enough? Yes.

Have you seen my topic about the Hood LR that just happened?

I literally got gang banged. When the errors kick in. First I was at #8 with a near 400 score. Then I get **** all of a sudden by around 10 people at almost the same time, each taking around -20 to -33. I ended up with 169, and placed in the top 1000.

Now that's consistency.

-_-'

What team are you using?

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DumDumDugn wrote:

mechgouki wrote:

DumDumDugn wrote:

If you can consistently place in top 50 then there's nothing to complain about.

And there's almost zero competition in the doom rounds nowadays, the teams placing in the top 8 are mediocre. Are you using boosts?

Consistently? Not a chance in hell.

Can I place in top 26-50 if I am lucky enough? Yes.

Have you seen my topic about the Hood LR that just happened?

I literally got gang banged. When the errors kick in. First I was at #8 with a near 400 score. Then I get **** all of a sudden by around 10 people at almost the same time, each taking around -20 to -33. I ended up with 169, and placed in the top 1000.

Now that's consistency.

-_-'

What team are you using?

I've asked him this before, on one of his multiple complaint threads. Never got an answer and am still curious