The Hunt - Oct. 24-28

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Phantron wrote:

tobi69 wrote:

Phantron wrote:

So I was just doing Florida and happened to have a pretty illustrative example of why roster diversity is meaningless. I have all the nodes except Ares done and it's sitting at 251. I had 2 health pack so I don't want to go in with my A team and risk having 3 downed and then not having enough for the next cycle, so I decided to swap out Magneto for Black Panther and made a team of X Force + Black Panther + The Hood. Needless to say this didn't work because Daken did some 1K matches halfway through the game that easily put the game away, but I managed to hit retreat on time so only X Force was downed and The Hood and Black Panther escaped with a few hundred HP. It takes about 3 hours for The Hood to heal and it takes 6 hours for Black Panther to heal. Add another hour if they're downed. So I can try the same thing about 6-7 hours later, and this is a team that still had most of my go-to guys. If it was say Black Panther + (some other green user that isn't X Force) + (someone that isn't Hood) the chance of winning way be even less, and we're looking at 3 guys being out of commision for 6 or so hours if it failed.

Now does it hurt to try? No, but the chance of getting anything extra out of this is very slim given how few tries you have at the max roster stage just due to the excessive downtime.

Surgical is necessary to steal n take down daken/ares n it's stacked with BP rage.
so u might want to try this team + rainbow boost :
Hulk + Patch + BP : hulk will tank R/G/B n generate green from anger, prepare combo BattlePlan > B.Rage > RagePanther.
XF + DP + Hood : Before surgical or xforce, slice all enemy once or focus on taking down daken first. Surgical will steal green from ares to relaunch XF or purple from daken to launch whales3.
both team works on me (normal AI cascade),hope will help.

The original topic is on roster diversity. There's no point to use boosts on your B-team because you should've just run boosts on your A-team instead. If there's an encounter that your A-team can't beat, your B-team isn't beating it under the same circumstances unless it's an extremely gimmick situation, and there's nothing gimmick about a high level Ares or Daken as both will just flat overpower your team. But if your A-team can beat the encounter then you don't need your B-team to begin with.

Depends on game style, imo boost is mandatory against any heroes team above 100,because :
1. Higher winning chance > rewind nodes = more points
2. Boost is cheaper than healthpack or even worse A-Team dead = waiting hero revival or healthpack cooldown = losing points
3. Not much time wasted, and PVE grind is about timing and strategy on opening nodes. When ur A/B-Team is down then u'll lose ur chance of getting max score.

over_clocked

For the last time, Daken's strongest colour is black, not purple. You are probably getting purple on Surgical Strike from Moonstone/Bullseye/Yelena Belova.

over_clocked

Mawtful wrote:

Checked the last few pages and didn't see anything, so sorry if this is a repeat question:

What's the likely points available in the last 24 hours? I'm at 40k points right now, played only casually for the first few days and now I think I should have stuck to my original plan and just joined at the end. Do I stand a chance at that Ms Marvel Progression Cover? I'm thinking no. Buuut, I'm currently within top 100, so I think I'll just stick to clearing pins and then jumping on those Essentials to stay afloat. Fairly certain I can still come out of this with a Blade cover at least.

If you are going to get a Blade cover regardless of the 70k progression, just get the Blade cover. MiniMarvel will rain on you in about 1-2 days (might be exaggerating but you get the idea) after the Hunt ends.
Personally, I am resigning to a t20-50 finish but it's not the scaling that gets me, since XF indeed can take down most enemies and if not, trusty LC, Hulk and GSBW and basically all of my roster are there as well. 4/6 subs end at 10 AM for me and I don't get up at 7 AM to play PvE, so I have been missing out on possible refreshes/points and only managed t10 in subs twice so far. T10 main is simply impossible for me by this point which is fine since I can get Blade covers in Versus instead. Seeing that, I would like to play the rest of the event as lightly as possible.

franckynight

this is by far the worst pve i ve ever been in..all is done to have me not to be competitive.. end of subs at 5 am.. insane scaling (ares at 329)..ai seemingly cheating with absurd cascades time and time again.. im not a fan of conspiracy theorist but this.. im competing cause im resilient but i must confess i was about to tap out for the first time since i played for about more than a year now..

GrumpySmurf1002

Phantron wrote:

So I was just doing Florida and happened to have a pretty illustrative example of why roster diversity is meaningless. I have all the nodes except Ares done and it's sitting at 251. I had 2 health pack so I don't want to go in with my A team and risk having 3 downed and then not having enough for the next cycle, so I decided to swap out Magneto for Black Panther and made a team of X Force + Black Panther + The Hood. Needless to say this didn't work because Daken did some 1K matches halfway through the game that easily put the game away, but I managed to hit retreat on time so only X Force was downed and The Hood and Black Panther escaped with a few hundred HP. It takes about 3 hours for The Hood to heal and it takes 6 hours for Black Panther to heal. Add another hour if they're downed. So I can try the same thing about 6-7 hours later, and this is a team that still had most of my go-to guys. If it was say Black Panther + (some other green user that isn't X Force) + (someone that isn't Hood) the chance of winning way be even less, and we're looking at 3 guys being out of commision for 6 or so hours if it failed.

Now does it hurt to try? No, but the chance of getting anything extra out of this is very slim given how few tries you have at the max roster stage just due to the excessive downtime.

Diversity is considerably more about using lesser teams to beat lesser nodes so that your big boys are available when you need them. So I'm not sure what this is proves.

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franckynight wrote:

this is by far the worst pve i ve ever been in..all is done to have me not to be competitive.. end of subs at 5 am.. insane scaling (ares at 329)..ai seemingly cheating with absurd cascades time and time again.. im not a fan of conspiracy theorist but this.. im competing cause im resilient but i must confess i was about to tap out for the first time since i played for about more than a year now..

Francky...as a fellow member of your bracket's top 10..i suggest that u stop pushing...

seriously though...it looks like we will have grind this one down until the end. #11 our bracket is close enough to overtake anyone in #6-10 IF they stop grinding...

fun fun fun!

bestof luck grinding.

marc

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djsquillz wrote:

franckynight wrote:

this is by far the worst pve i ve ever been in..all is done to have me not to be competitive.. end of subs at 5 am.. insane scaling (ares at 329)..ai seemingly cheating with absurd cascades time and time again.. im not a fan of conspiracy theorist but this.. im competing cause im resilient but i must confess i was about to tap out for the first time since i played for about more than a year now..

Francky...as a fellow member of your bracket's top 10..i suggest that u stop pushing...

seriously though...it looks like we will have grind this one down until the end. #11 our bracket is close enough to overtake anyone in #6-10 IF they stop grinding...

fun fun fun!

bestof luck grinding.

marc

Grinding IS my only option, I'm in a damn bracket with low levels that get it easy

Kinda stinks when I just got back to the game. I don't even want to go back and work on pvp without seeing me lose my spot an lose my chance to get Blade

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@Pam...the way PVE is currently structured, grinding is everyone's option if they want 3 costers. I stopped grinding for all 3 covers in PVE a few events ago...it's just not worth my time. I chose to grind in this one just because. After all is said and done, i think i wont be doing it again. In the future, ill just pick up the missing cover from the pvp that follows soon after.

The main thing is to find a nice balance between ur time and the rewards that u want. Dont drive urself crazy over something if its going to just stress u out. This is a game afterall. good luck finishing up strong.

marc

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papa07 wrote:

This bracket will likely be open for at least 20 hours, if not the duration. Will keep you posted on status but this may be as good as it gets for the event.

Bracket update

At close of Alaska: 310
Current: 587

Bracket has been open for 16hr15minutes, which is 36 people per hour. At that pace, it will fill with about 2 and a half hours to go.

However, the past 10 hours have filled at 28 per hour. At that pace, we will finish with 975 in the bracket.

If you are still waiting, that's a tough choice

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Phantron wrote:

tobi69 wrote:

Phantron wrote:

So I was just doing Florida and happened to have a pretty illustrative example of why roster diversity is meaningless. I have all the nodes except Ares done and it's sitting at 251. I had 2 health pack so I don't want to go in with my A team and risk having 3 downed and then not having enough for the next cycle, so I decided to swap out Magneto for Black Panther and made a team of X Force + Black Panther + The Hood. Needless to say this didn't work because Daken did some 1K matches halfway through the game that easily put the game away, but I managed to hit retreat on time so only X Force was downed and The Hood and Black Panther escaped with a few hundred HP. It takes about 3 hours for The Hood to heal and it takes 6 hours for Black Panther to heal. Add another hour if they're downed. So I can try the same thing about 6-7 hours later, and this is a team that still had most of my go-to guys. If it was say Black Panther + (some other green user that isn't X Force) + (someone that isn't Hood) the chance of winning way be even less, and we're looking at 3 guys being out of commision for 6 or so hours if it failed.

Now does it hurt to try? No, but the chance of getting anything extra out of this is very slim given how few tries you have at the max roster stage just due to the excessive downtime.

Surgical is necessary to steal n take down daken/ares n it's stacked with BP rage.
so u might want to try this team + rainbow boost :
Hulk + Patch + BP : hulk will tank R/G/B n generate green from anger, prepare combo BattlePlan > B.Rage > RagePanther.
XF + DP + Hood : Before surgical or xforce, slice all enemy once or focus on taking down daken first. Surgical will steal green from ares to relaunch XF or purple from daken to launch whales3.
both team works on me (normal AI cascade),hope will help.

The original topic is on roster diversity. There's no point to use boosts on your B-team because you should've just run boosts on your A-team instead. If there's an encounter that your A-team can't beat, your B-team isn't beating it under the same circumstances unless it's an extremely gimmick situation, and there's nothing gimmick about a high level Ares or Daken as both will just flat overpower your team. But if your A-team can beat the encounter then you don't need your B-team to begin with.

1) Usually the B-team is to take on WEAKER battles to leave your A-team fresh for the hard ones, so if you're trying to make a point about using a diverse roster effectively, you're doing it wrong
2) Ironically, The example of the Ares node is one place where rule 1 doesn't apply, because Hulk/cStorm/lazyThor is quite effective on it - I beat it at 250 with no boosts twice already and that sure as heck isn't my A-team

GrimSkald

djsquillz wrote:

@Pam...the way PVE is currently structured, grinding is everyone's option if they want 3 costers. I stopped grinding for all 3 covers in PVE a few events ago...it's just not worth my time. I chose to grind in this one just because. After all is said and done, i think i wont be doing it again. In the future, ill just pick up the missing cover from the pvp that follows soon after.

The main thing is to find a nice balance between ur time and the rewards that u want. Dont drive urself crazy over something if its going to just stress u out. This is a game afterall. good luck finishing up strong.

marc

My attitude as well. The biggest problem with PVE is it exaggerates the effort curve.

The effort curve applies to a lot of things (my wife says all things, but I'm not so sure,) and basically states that the first 80-90% is relatively easy, but the effort it takes to get that final 10-20% increases geometrically. So for this, just to pick numbers out of air, in order to get to that 85% place (and a Blade cover,) takes, say, 6 hours of play in total. To get to 90% probably takes another 6 hours, so a total of 12 hours. To get to 95% takes eight hours more, for a total of 20. And to get to that top spot probably takes something like 30-40 hours total. Sure, there are some other rewards, the person who puts in that extra effort will collect a few stray standard tokens, and decent Iso rewards, but mostly they get 20 iso rewards, so the extra benifit is very blunted.

I see it as the extra covers are simply not worth my time. If it isn't fun, don't do it.

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@Grim. i agree. It has been an easy decision to not be maniac grinder these past few events bc the recent releases have been so so. i think i got a bit excited thag Blade doesnt look terrible off the bat and i just decided to go for it.

Actually, all of the Tacos felt the same way and we went all in. On one hand it feels good to know that " we still got it" in pve when wr choose to flip the switch (currently #3 or #4 overall alliance). But we also all agree that its just too taxing.

Every now and then its good to grind...if for nothing else than to remind yourself that there are bwtter things to do w your time than to fight yelena dakan and venom for the 30,000th time.

marc

Vankysher

Pamizard wrote:

Grinding IS my only option, I'm in a damn bracket with low levels that get it easy

Kinda stinks when I just got back to the game. I don't even want to go back and work on pvp without seeing me lose my spot an lose my chance to get Blade

I am doing the same.

This is the second time I've skipped PVP as I am attempting to work my way into the top 10. I suppose as a 2* transitioning player, it was to my benefit to get 3 covers for 2* Ms. Marvel for this event. Having her boosted to lvl 93 (now at lvl 100 once I got the progression cover) and her short recovery time have combined to have her tank for everyone.

Really would like to get 3 Blade covers but we'll see how much I can grind.

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I really hate struggling against low level players. It really makes me look bad while they have it easy and i'm getting nodes that are hard.

And i dont have many team ups either. I'm stuck with enemy team ups which I can use when I'm up against them. I really should start looking for alliances' help right about now.

I'm currently at about 35k at #7 >.>

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FierceKiwi wrote:

RefinedBean wrote:

If FierceKiwi browses these forums...dude/dudette, do you SLEEP?!

Yeah some people would probably say not enough but weekends are pretty easy to just take 2 hour naps in between clears. Tonight I'll get a solid 5-7 hours straight.

Well - that's some dedication there. You deserve the top spot.

Unknown

I was hoping to take it easy rest of pve... But despite lazy play, I'm in 9th after last sub. Guess I'll actually play the last 8.5 hours and get t10.

I'm guessing the early grinders are scaling themselves out.

Vankysher

Pamizard wrote:

I really hate struggling against low level players. It really makes me look bad while they have it easy and i'm getting nodes that are hard.

And i dont have many team ups either. I'm stuck with enemy team ups which I can use when I'm up against them. I really should start looking for alliances' help right about now.

I'm currently at about 35k at #7 >.>

You could try farming some over in the PVP area with characters you aren't using for PVE.
Might even try the loaner female Thor node for the latest season.

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stephen43084 wrote:

I was hoping to take it easy rest of pve... But despite lazy play, I'm in 9th after last sub. Guess I'll actually play the last 8.5 hours and get t10.

I'm guessing the early grinders are scaling themselves out.

The scaling resets each sub.

russreid91

gamar wrote:

Phantron wrote:

tobi69 wrote:

Phantron wrote:

So I was just doing Florida and happened to have a pretty illustrative example of why roster diversity is meaningless. I have all the nodes except Ares done and it's sitting at 251. I had 2 health pack so I don't want to go in with my A team and risk having 3 downed and then not having enough for the next cycle, so I decided to swap out Magneto for Black Panther and made a team of X Force + Black Panther + The Hood. Needless to say this didn't work because Daken did some 1K matches halfway through the game that easily put the game away, but I managed to hit retreat on time so only X Force was downed and The Hood and Black Panther escaped with a few hundred HP. It takes about 3 hours for The Hood to heal and it takes 6 hours for Black Panther to heal. Add another hour if they're downed. So I can try the same thing about 6-7 hours later, and this is a team that still had most of my go-to guys. If it was say Black Panther + (some other green user that isn't X Force) + (someone that isn't Hood) the chance of winning way be even less, and we're looking at 3 guys being out of commision for 6 or so hours if it failed.

Now does it hurt to try? No, but the chance of getting anything extra out of this is very slim given how few tries you have at the max roster stage just due to the excessive downtime.

Surgical is necessary to steal n take down daken/ares n it's stacked with BP rage.
so u might want to try this team + rainbow boost :
Hulk + Patch + BP : hulk will tank R/G/B n generate green from anger, prepare combo BattlePlan > B.Rage > RagePanther.
XF + DP + Hood : Before surgical or xforce, slice all enemy once or focus on taking down daken first. Surgical will steal green from ares to relaunch XF or purple from daken to launch whales3.
both team works on me (normal AI cascade),hope will help.

The original topic is on roster diversity. There's no point to use boosts on your B-team because you should've just run boosts on your A-team instead. If there's an encounter that your A-team can't beat, your B-team isn't beating it under the same circumstances unless it's an extremely gimmick situation, and there's nothing gimmick about a high level Ares or Daken as both will just flat overpower your team. But if your A-team can beat the encounter then you don't need your B-team to begin with.

1) Usually the B-team is to take on WEAKER battles to leave your A-team fresh for the hard ones, so if you're trying to make a point about using a diverse roster effectively, you're doing it wrong
2) Ironically, The example of the Ares node is one place where rule 1 doesn't apply, because Hulk/cStorm/lazyThor is quite effective on it - I beat it at 250 with no boosts twice already and that sure as heck isn't my A-team

I actually do this the other way around, I run my A team of Patch and LDaken against all the easy nodes as they can usually take out all of the easy teams with out requiring any healthpacks or maybe one if there is a bad cascade or something. Then when I run into one of those really tough nodes I'll throw out one of my so called B teams, which could be LCap, LThor, BP, Punisher, Spidey, etc.

And sometimes yes that will be a 2* team, throw a boost at them and they can be really effective. And if/when they go down their heal times are much quicker so I don't care as much. This leaves me with my A team still available to do the next refresh.

Call cStorm, mMags, Hulk gimmicky because it is a one shot deal but it is no different then Sentry bombing and I have done that as well if I am needing to pick up the points. Throw Sentry out there with a bunch of your 2* who you don't care about and you only have to spend 1 healthpack on Sentry as he is the only one you care about.

Using boosts on your A team probably means that they are still coming out with damage, this way mine are fully ready to go for the next refresh and I usually have some healthpacks still available as well.

And there is still a time when you say enough, and you simply walk away and hope that the others in your bracket can't do those nodes either.

I got absolutely wiped 3 times last night on the Jump Jets node in Florida, it was amazing to watch the AI cascades. However because of roster diversity I still had teams that I could throw at it, was finally able to beat it (can't remember what I used) and then finish off the clear.

Now I knew I was going to bed after that so I didn't have to worry about the heal time but that is also part of roster management and game play strategy. If that had been in the middle of my day then I would have simply stopped trying on it. If it had been at the end I would have left it to the very end to see if I needed the points badly enough to try again.

I agree with a lot of what you have said Phantron, and I am facing lower levels so maybe roster diversity doesn't mean as much when you are up that high but where I am at the moment it allows me to pretty much all of the subs, and the LRs and PvP.

Jumped around a lot in this post but TL;DR I still think roster diversity gives you more options and more fun playing the game even against high levels.

As an aside I would love for a instant replay feature on this game. I would like to see those matches that I got wiped on last night again, one to see if I made match mistakes that I might be able not do in the future and two because it was truly amazing to watch. At one point 8 black tiles (8!! that is the entire row!) came down in a row which also lined up with two other black tile to create an amazing second cascade. I would be good to post those to YouTube, we could have a worst loss contest

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Phantron wrote:

stephen43084 wrote:

I was hoping to take it easy rest of pve... But despite lazy play, I'm in 9th after last sub. Guess I'll actually play the last 8.5 hours and get t10.

I'm guessing the early grinders are scaling themselves out.

The scaling resets each sub.

Then your guess is as good as mine as to how I am placing well despite not playing much. Case in point, I only did a single grind on two of the subs.