**** Echo (Maya Lopez) ****

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  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2021
    MODOK can winfinite with Echo. I just tried it in shield training. You need either 14 red aps or 12/18 black aps to kick off winfinite. Set MODOK to 5/4/4 or 5/3/5 and Echo's power to Iron Fist's. Domino will help to create black aps faster but Prof X isn't a bad choice.
  • Tiger_Wong
    Tiger_Wong Posts: 1,098 Chairperson of the Boards
    Physical Prodigy doesn’t make her tank. The match damage buff (and power buff) are applied on the match (and when the power goes off). Her match damage base doesn’t increase. 

    However, you can throw the Billy Club, have the AI fire off a power or two, and when the billy club returns, it will do more damage than when you fired it. 
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 1,455 Chairperson of the Boards
    She seems very unremarkable to me.
  • Rhipf
    Rhipf Posts: 295 Mover and Shaker
    entrailbucket said:
    ThaRoadWarrior said:
    If only his longtime love interest Polaris were a 4* in this game…oh…wait
    They can't make Polaris a feeder because they're terrified that 20 angry, entitled vets would throw a tantrum about it.
    Ok, you have me curious. Why would any vets have a problem with any character becoming a feeder? Don't they usually give you the retroactive feeder rewards? If so the vets aren't missing out on anything from Polaris now being a feeder. They would actually come out ahead since the original rewards wouldn't be retroactively rescinded. 
  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards
    Rhipf said:
    entrailbucket said:
    ThaRoadWarrior said:
    If only his longtime love interest Polaris were a 4* in this game…oh…wait
    They can't make Polaris a feeder because they're terrified that 20 angry, entitled vets would throw a tantrum about it.
    Ok, you have me curious. Why would any vets have a problem with any character becoming a feeder? Don't they usually give you the retroactive feeder rewards? If so the vets aren't missing out on anything from Polaris now being a feeder. They would actually come out ahead since the original rewards wouldn't be retroactively rescinded. 

    As I recall, the way they did 5* shards for 4* feeders ended up as a slight reduction in the cp/hp value of 4* champs. So making every 4* a feeder would also change the value of 4* farms over time. That would likely upset some players.
  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,012 Chairperson of the Boards
    The last time they made a group of older 4* into feeders, they gave out retroactive rewards that were less than the full amount.  A small group of veteran players threw a huge tantrum about it, the game was review bombed, other things happened, and eventually the devs caved and gave out the full amount.

    The way those players handled it ensured we'll never get retroactive rewards ever again.
  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,504 Chairperson of the Boards
    ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Well, I already put in my time grinding Havok shards, Sighclops as well, so they can do it or not I guess. Maybe we’ll get a 4* Major X or Corsair at some point to have a more thematically appropriate feeder. Havok was one of the biggest disappointments to me champ wise though for what it’s worth. I unironically prefer using Banner.

    I guess we could still potentially get a 4* Strong Guy or Madrox who could feed him via the old X-Factor link.
    As for Echo - first impressions she is definitely not as much fun as the last few 4's however part of that was that the AI had auto-assigned Deadly Precision to my loaner so I didn't get to try out the other two powers in my limited use so far. I can change that in her PvP and see if either other red abilities are any good for shenanigans although as I will have to lean on Adam Warlock this week possibly not so much.
  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,754 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2021
    DAZ0273 said:
    ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Well, I already put in my time grinding Havok shards, Sighclops as well, so they can do it or not I guess. Maybe we’ll get a 4* Major X or Corsair at some point to have a more thematically appropriate feeder. Havok was one of the biggest disappointments to me champ wise though for what it’s worth. I unironically prefer using Banner.

    I guess we could still potentially get a 4* Strong Guy or Madrox who could feed him via the old X-Factor link.
    As for Echo - first impressions she is definitely not as much fun as the last few 4's however part of that was that the AI had auto-assigned Deadly Precision to my loaner so I didn't get to try out the other two powers in my limited use so far. I can change that in her PvP and see if either other red abilities are any good for shenanigans although as I will have to lean on Adam Warlock this week possibly not so much.

    You can change her power in the setup screen by clicking on her character, clicking on her Red power and selecting a different option for her Red power (left/right and change button).  I stumbled on that by accident but was happy to change to Billy Club.
    KGB
  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards
    5* Prof X/MODOK/Echo is a pretty good winfinite with good damage. But, there seems to be some lag like Okoye/iHulk has. Hopefully, I have him champed by the time he's featured again. 
  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    I was powering Apocalypse's black power with her red, as my Apoc needs the help. I can see her with Colossus, feeding the nuke with lots of match-4s and crits. Sadly, mine is much smaller than Apoc so that wouldn't do anything. It seems to me, people value 3* Daredevil's Billy Club much higher than I ever did. But I used 3* IF all the time to feed Cag3 or Cyclops. 
  • helix72
    helix72 Posts: 1,012 Chairperson of the Boards
    Sekilicious said:
    I was powering Apocalypse's black power with her red

    I thought about that but she needs 7 Red to make 9 black. If you have 7 Red, why not just fire Apoc's Red? The black tiles she makes aren't guaranteed to match and you need enough protects out to really take advantage of them. Since my Apoc does 64K with his Red and 91K with his Black, I guess I might try it if I had a bunch of protects on the board and a single opponent left with over 67K -91K health, otherwise seems less optimal unless I'm missing something.
  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards
    It's useful in niche situation where opponent is invisible and Apoc's red can't hit them. So, you "convert" your red to black so that you can hit invisible character with Apoc's black.
  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    helix72 said:
    Sekilicious said:
    I was powering Apocalypse's black power with her red

    I thought about that but she needs 7 Red to make 9 black. If you have 7 Red, why not just fire Apoc's Red? The black tiles she makes aren't guaranteed to match and you need enough protects out to really take advantage of them. Since my Apoc does 64K with his Red and 91K with his Black, I guess I might try it if I had a bunch of protects on the board and a single opponent left with over 67K -91K health, otherwise seems less optimal unless I'm missing something.
    Oh because my Apoc is 5/2/4 lvl 300 so the black is much better than red, even when powered by the yellow. I did mention that Colossus would better. I liked Capt. M4rvel in the Introducing event for 4*. Sometimes there are no black matches on the board so a second option to find black is always welcome. 
  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,754 Chairperson of the Boards
    dianetics said:
    Surely billy club is her best chosen ability. Of all the things I’ve done with her it was the only ability that had legs to it. The stun is nice and the damage is good-great in her tier.
    Most definitely. I used it to easily handle the Riri/Mockingbird Shield Training level by bringing Valkrie and stun locking Riri/Mockingbird. One of the easiest times I've had with that node in a long time as I didn't come close to losing anyone (my ProfX is only L300 so he didn't do much other than minor damage on match 4 and I used his Purple once to add more Red to the board).
    KGB
  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2021
    She is not bad for a 4*, however a lot of things she does is hard to tell. If the enemy keeps firing powers she can build a great nuke (I damaged last standing mockingbird for 55k with IF power).
    And if matching 4 tiles and not matching the traps she is really tough to beat.
    Her red power is just the continued transition to those 3* characters to 4* land. 
    And she has the strike tile option if tanking, good for softcapped kittys or polaris. 
    Is she helping 5* players? Hardly.
  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    KGB said:
    dianetics said:
    Surely billy club is her best chosen ability. Of all the things I’ve done with her it was the only ability that had legs to it. The stun is nice and the damage is good-great in her tier.
    Most definitely. I used it to easily handle the Riri/Mockingbird Shield Training level by bringing Valkrie and stun locking Riri/Mockingbird. One of the easiest times I've had with that node in a long time as I didn't come close to losing anyone (my ProfX is only L300 so he didn't do much other than minor damage on match 4 and I used his Purple once to add more Red to the board).
    KGB
    OK I get it now. I just did the same. That power is better than I remember, though perhaps I did not give Daredevil a fair shake. 
  • LavaManLee
    LavaManLee Posts: 1,715 Chairperson of the Boards
    Bad said:

    Is she helping 5* players? Hardly.
    Definitely agree, I can only speak for myself but in her Riri/Mock SHIELD Training today, I don't think I paid one bit of attention to Echo and won handily with Px/SC.  I will definitely champ her but can't imagine using her beyond when she is required.
  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,754 Chairperson of the Boards
    Sekilicious said:
    KGB said:
    dianetics said:
    Surely billy club is her best chosen ability. Of all the things I’ve done with her it was the only ability that had legs to it. The stun is nice and the damage is good-great in her tier.
    Most definitely. I used it to easily handle the Riri/Mockingbird Shield Training level by bringing Valkrie and stun locking Riri/Mockingbird. One of the easiest times I've had with that node in a long time as I didn't come close to losing anyone (my ProfX is only L300 so he didn't do much other than minor damage on match 4 and I used his Purple once to add more Red to the board).
    KGB
    OK I get it now. I just did the same. That power is better than I remember, though perhaps I did not give Daredevil a fair shake. 
    3* Daredevil's Billy Club does not do damage on the re-stun. Hers is doing 25K in Shield Training since she's boosted to God Mode. It still does a healthy 9K damage when not God boosted so it's handier than it looks especially against goons who can't match it away.
    KGB
  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2021
    KGB said:
    Sekilicious said:
    KGB said:
    dianetics said:
    Surely billy club is her best chosen ability. Of all the things I’ve done with her it was the only ability that had legs to it. The stun is nice and the damage is good-great in her tier.
    Most definitely. I used it to easily handle the Riri/Mockingbird Shield Training level by bringing Valkrie and stun locking Riri/Mockingbird. One of the easiest times I've had with that node in a long time as I didn't come close to losing anyone (my ProfX is only L300 so he didn't do much other than minor damage on match 4 and I used his Purple once to add more Red to the board).
    KGB
    OK I get it now. I just did the same. That power is better than I remember, though perhaps I did not give Daredevil a fair shake. 
    3* Daredevil's Billy Club does not do damage on the re-stun. Hers is doing 25K in Shield Training since she's boosted to God Mode. It still does a healthy 9K damage when not God boosted so it's handier than it looks especially against goons who can't match it away.
    KGB
    Yeah the God boost is very helpful. Her powers seem to have a bit of self synergy in that the strikes and match damage increase the damage of the Billy Club. I'm pretty sure that she was doing far more than 25k damage when executing Mockingbird and Riri. Valkyries strikes helped quite a bit as well. The only thing I really don't like is her strikes on red, though that would be just fine with Polaris when she is required. My one cover Prof X died honorably unfortunately. 
  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,754 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2021
    Sekilicious said:
    KGB said:
    Sekilicious said:
    KGB said:
    dianetics said:
    Surely billy club is her best chosen ability. Of all the things I’ve done with her it was the only ability that had legs to it. The stun is nice and the damage is good-great in her tier.
    Most definitely. I used it to easily handle the Riri/Mockingbird Shield Training level by bringing Valkrie and stun locking Riri/Mockingbird. One of the easiest times I've had with that node in a long time as I didn't come close to losing anyone (my ProfX is only L300 so he didn't do much other than minor damage on match 4 and I used his Purple once to add more Red to the board).
    KGB
    OK I get it now. I just did the same. That power is better than I remember, though perhaps I did not give Daredevil a fair shake. 
    3* Daredevil's Billy Club does not do damage on the re-stun. Hers is doing 25K in Shield Training since she's boosted to God Mode. It still does a healthy 9K damage when not God boosted so it's handier than it looks especially against goons who can't match it away.
    KGB
    Yeah the God boost is very helpful. Her powers seem to have a bit of self synergy in that the strikes and match damage increase the damage of the Billy Club. I'm pretty sure that she was doing far more than 25k damage when executing Mockingbird and Riri. Valkyries strikes helped quite a bit as well. The only thing I really don't like is her strikes on red, though that would be just fine with Polaris when she is required. My one cover Prof X died honorably unfortunately. 

    It's the self synergy you spoke of. Her Black passive is increasing power and match damage by 95% every time the enemy fires a power. So if you let the Bot fire Green a couple of times it will speed up the pace she melts Riri/Mockingbird with her Billy Club.
    KGB

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