**** Echo (Maya Lopez) ****

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  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited November 2021
    Seems like more of a goon specialist. She will be great against anyone who casts a lot (300% match and power damage + 60% damage mitigation is very good given that she can put out a lot of damage at base for 4*). But she will struggle against meta teams where she can't afford to build up her two passives.
    All three of her red powers could be useful in support. But she could easily end up tanking more than she should be without any DR. I expect a non-meta but useful support character who can also double as a decent main player for anyone transitioning in to 4* land now.

    (Also, I continue to think that demi's determination to continue stuffing the 4* tier over-full is bad for the game.)
  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    Looks good as a black battery. With synergies with her purple. Might be fun
  • skittledaddy
    skittledaddy Posts: 999 Critical Contributor
    Vhailorx said:
    Seems like more of a goon specialist. She will be great against anyone who casts a lot (300% match and power damage + 60% damage mitigation is very good given that she can put out a lot of damage at base for 4*). But she will struggle against meta teams where she can't afford to build up her two passives.
    All three of her red powers could be useful in support. But she could easily end up tanking more than she should be without any DR. I expect a non-meta but useful support character who can also double as a decent main player for anyone transitioning in to 4* land now.

    (Also, I continue to think that demi's determination to continue stuffing the 4* tier over-full is bad for the game.)
    If your "DR" means "damage reduction", she has up to 60% damage reduction, assuming you can make a Match-4+.
    That wasn't listed in the original teaser preview from this morning.
  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards
    It wasn't there but I think it's a good decision.
    I didn't know echo but now I think she could really say that she took a total slap in the face from devs(sorry I couldn't hold down the joke).
    Now with that damage reduction she can wait until having the max % increased damage for matching the traps and her playstyle is more interesting.
    I think the same, it's a good 4* for 4* players. 
  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards
    Few = between 1 - 5  :'(
    Moderate = 12
    Anyway, she can convert 9 basic tiles to black, whereas IF can only convert 7. Therefore, I think winfinite could be very possible with Domino/Echo/MODOK.
    As for her black passives, it's confusing because her red strike tiles is still pending. However, 300% more power/match damage is great. You need to wait for 3 turns to max it out.
    She didn't had that power/match damage reduction in her preview. Anyway, her trap tiles are going to do 17,816 damage each. Add on her strike tile created every turn (pending), and it will be more than that. It should be able to one-shot most goon in scl 9 pves.
    It seems like something is holding the dev up because most of the time, the characters' powers would have been finalised by now. Recently, a few characters still had pending status, like Gamora.
  • dianetics
    dianetics Posts: 1,641 Chairperson of the Boards
    This already changed from yesterday.
     I’m liking it less than before.
    She’s going to be a bench rider for me
  • TheEyeDoctorsWife
    TheEyeDoctorsWife Posts: 829 Critical Contributor
    edited November 2021
    Useless as usual to 5* players , as are 98% of all 4*, and I like Blob a lot better as a damage reducer plus his increase is unlimited . I don’t think I’ve ever taken net damage or used a health pack with Blob on team . Not going to replace Morbius or even Mantis against goons . 
  • darkwatcherDEZ
    darkwatcherDEZ Posts: 110 Tile Toppler
    Odd that they gave us Echo as Task Master in the MCU Black Widow movie (similar concept) and now bring her in within the Hawkeye series (which makes sense since she was Ronin. D3 consider an alt costume). 
  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited November 2021
    skittledaddy said:
    Vhailorx said:
    Seems like more of a goon specialist. She will be great against anyone who casts a lot (300% match and power damage + 60% damage mitigation is very good given that she can put out a lot of damage at base for 4*). But she will struggle against meta teams where she can't afford to build up her two passives.
    All three of her red powers could be useful in support. But she could easily end up tanking more than she should be without any DR. I expect a non-meta but useful support character who can also double as a decent main player for anyone transitioning in to 4* land now.

    (Also, I continue to think that demi's determination to continue stuffing the 4* tier over-full is bad for the game.)
    If your "DR" means "damage reduction", she has up to 60% damage reduction, assuming you can make a Match-4+.
    That wasn't listed in the original teaser preview from this morning.

    I mean that she cannot reliably keep her DR up. Sometimes you don't get match4, and sometimes the trap(s) won't stay on the board. Some matches she will have it up at basically all times. Other matches she will struggle to get it up at all. But the DR mechanism is not linked to her match damage boost, so she may often be tanking (with 4* teams at least) because of boosted match damage without having any damage mitigation.
  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,236 Chairperson of the Boards
    Vhailorx said:
    skittledaddy said:
    Vhailorx said:
    Seems like more of a goon specialist. She will be great against anyone who casts a lot (300% match and power damage + 60% damage mitigation is very good given that she can put out a lot of damage at base for 4*). But she will struggle against meta teams where she can't afford to build up her two passives.
    All three of her red powers could be useful in support. But she could easily end up tanking more than she should be without any DR. I expect a non-meta but useful support character who can also double as a decent main player for anyone transitioning in to 4* land now.

    (Also, I continue to think that demi's determination to continue stuffing the 4* tier over-full is bad for the game.)
    If your "DR" means "damage reduction", she has up to 60% damage reduction, assuming you can make a Match-4+.
    That wasn't listed in the original teaser preview from this morning.

    I mean that she cannot reliably keep her DR up. Sometimes you don't get match4, and sometimes the trap(s) won't stay on the board. Some matches she will have it up at basically all times. Other matches she will struggle to get it up at all. But the DR mechanism is not linked to her match damage boost, so she may often be tanking (with 4* teams at least) because of boosted match damage without having any damage mitigation.
    Correct. Plus you have to run at least 1 of her powers at 3 (or 2 at 4) so if you run the Purple/Black at 5 covers then the Red (her only active and reliable damage power) will be super weak no matter which you choose. If you run the Red at 5 then one of her passives will have to be run at 3 which will make either DR or boosted damage very weak.
    KGB
  • TheEyeDoctorsWife
    TheEyeDoctorsWife Posts: 829 Critical Contributor
    darkwatcherDEZ said:
    Odd that they gave us Echo as Task Master in the MCU Black Widow movie (similar concept) and now bring her in within the Hawkeye series (which makes sense since she was Ronin. D3 consider an alt costume). 
    True , they went Electro on us and just gave us the female Taskmaster with a lot less build options 
  • Seph1roth5
    Seph1roth5 Posts: 426 Mover and Shaker
    Unless she gets a big rebalance this is looking like one of the worse 4* in a long time lol.  60% mitigation if you match 4 and the tile doesn't get matched, AND she still has **** HP?

    I guess I can see her doing well vs goons, but I prefer my lazy carnage 5* and morbius team for that.  Might take a while depending on the 3rd slot but it's 0 risk
  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards
    I'm not sure what's wrong with her. She looks like a perfect winfinite.  Recommended build is 5/5/3 until I get to test her out. Her crit multiplier is 4x, the third highest crit multiplier in the game. 
    If you are concern about match-4, switch it to Bullseye's ability. 

    Pair her with Shuri and Heimdall for infinite stun and infinite red aps.
  • dianetics
    dianetics Posts: 1,641 Chairperson of the Boards
    Heimdall is a good partner to peak at where her trap tiles are. You would need another partner to try and force match4s though.
  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    dianetics said:
    Heimdall is a good partner to peak at where her trap tiles are. You would need another partner to try and force match4s though.
    I used to get match-4s all the time with 3* Iron Fist and 2* Bullseye when prior to becoming a 4* player. With Karnak's red it is equally as easy, and Echo only cost 1 more ap. With Shuri and Heimdall reducing ap costs getting match-4s will be the least of her problems. She probably isn't meta, but she will be useful in a lot of scenarios for 4 and 5* players. 
  • Tony_Foot
    Tony_Foot Posts: 1,812 Chairperson of the Boards
    Vhailorx said:


    (Also, I continue to think that demi's determination to continue stuffing the 4* tier over-full is bad for the game.)
    Yep imagine having to look at that wall of required iso. I don't even read them, I couldn't care less if they removed 2/3rds of them. Nothing but champ rewards at this point. In fact Wiccan was my Deadpool Spicy vault this week and I was shocked to see it was level 332. Somehow I've gathered 60 odd champ levels and I've never used him. Don't even know what he does. along with every other 4 star since about 3 years ago.

    I look one up if I see someone say 'try Wiccan with the new five star because xyz'

    Give the new players a chance, reduce iso to champ a 4* by half.
  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    Tony_Foot said:


    Give the new players a chance, reduce iso to champ a 4* by half.
    Hmmm, better yet quadruple iso output. Maybe someday. 
  • IceIX
    IceIX ADMINISTRATORS Posts: 4,322 Site Admin
    Echo's Black and Purple Passive powers have been updated with their final numbers.
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 1,455 Chairperson of the Boards
    She didn't look all that great in the first place and now they lowered her numbers lol.
  • wymtime
    wymtime Posts: 3,759 Chairperson of the Boards
    I would will say 5,3,5 especially since I use boosted 5* characters the most in PVE and PVP. Billy Club would be my choice of red for the consistent stun and return of AP.

    black for players in 4* lane could be great against goons and terrible in PVP.

    Putple could be really good or bad with trap tiles.  Taking 60% less damage is good for the damage it can be matched or destroyed by the player.  Using with a SC or with Onslaught could be fun.

    still just a 4* though

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