Phantron wrote: Nothing gets placed if you have 3 or more red strike tiles. Otherwise Daken/Wolverine combo with Psylocke might be even a bit broken when you just keep on pop out 180 strength strike tiles for 5 red AP.
Phantron wrote: Psylocke is simply inferior to The Punisher unless you absolutely need an attack tile out as fast as possible, and having Psylocke on a team when The Punisher is already there is pretty redundant. After all is said and done, you just can't beat someone who generates 300 damage worth of strike tiles for basically the same cost as what it takes you to generate 180 damage worth of strike tiles. I don't see this changing anytime soon, because it took me a long time to realize that Judgment has no weaknesses since the computer doesn't care about destroying strike tiles or protecting them and I'm sure that's the rational for The Punisher having exceptionally strong strike tiles.
Phantron wrote: Psylocke is not faster than The Punisher. I'm not sure where people got this idea. Their strike tile generator is same cost (8 vs 8). The Punisher's black is 1 more but it's considerably better than Psylocke's black, especially given how effortlessly Molotov combos with his own ability (Judgment). Retribution is not intended to be fast due to its unique nature, and it's not like it's slower than Bewilderment, which is relatively useless. Judgment usually passes up Psychic Knife immediately if the initial blast causes any cascade, because with The Punisher around there are at least 3 colors that are worth 200 damage per AP (red/black/green). You can generally throw in blue in there (a stun is worth a lot more than 600 damage). Purple and yellow is more iffy, but still can be valued at around 100 damage per AP if you have someone who can use those colors. I think people really drink too much cool aid on the '5 AP Psychic Knife', which requires using characters that aren't very good (Daken/Wolverine) and you still need pretty good luck to pull it off. This doesn't mean Psylocke is weak. It just means she can't compare to The Punisher, who is clearly the most powerful character amongst the 'not totally broken' tier. In fact The Punisher is pretty much at the limit of what can still be considered as balanced, and there shouldn't be very many characters even at this level.
NorthernPolarity wrote: Phantron wrote: Psylocke is not faster than The Punisher. I'm not sure where people got this idea. Their strike tile generator is same cost (8 vs 8). The Punisher's black is 1 more but it's considerably better than Psylocke's black, especially given how effortlessly Molotov combos with his own ability (Judgment). Retribution is not intended to be fast due to its unique nature, and it's not like it's slower than Bewilderment, which is relatively useless. Judgment usually passes up Psychic Knife immediately if the initial blast causes any cascade, because with The Punisher around there are at least 3 colors that are worth 200 damage per AP (red/black/green). You can generally throw in blue in there (a stun is worth a lot more than 600 damage). Purple and yellow is more iffy, but still can be valued at around 100 damage per AP if you have someone who can use those colors. I think people really drink too much cool aid on the '5 AP Psychic Knife', which requires using characters that aren't very good (Daken/Wolverine) and you still need pretty good luck to pull it off. This doesn't mean Psylocke is weak. It just means she can't compare to The Punisher, who is clearly the most powerful character amongst the 'not totally broken' tier. In fact The Punisher is pretty much at the limit of what can still be considered as balanced, and there shouldn't be very many characters even at this level. Your argument hinges on the assumption that judgement causes a cascade, which I don't think happens a majority of the time. Damn it, where is monte carlo guy when you need him... I might code something up that simulates cascades so that I can test this out.
Phantron wrote: The Punisher's black is 1 more but it's considerably better than Psylocke's black, especially given how effortlessly Molotov combos with his own ability (Judgment).
Dormammu wrote: I'm not fortunate enough to have many Punisher covers yet and I haven't taken a look at anyone else's leveled Punisher - do his strike tile attacks do as much initial damage as Psylocke's? I have her at lvl 120 and both her red and black attacks do 835 damage before dropping the strike tile. Granted, this isn't a nuke-bomb, but when coupled with strike/attack tiles that do near-200 damage per turn enemy health starts evaporating quickly. I understand that the Punisher is awesome fun, that he has a good color-combo of non-stop damage, and his abilities synergize well. But can he really keep pace with Psylocke for speed? All I know is that there have been times where I can get Psylocke's black tile out in 2 turns, and then her red in another 2-3, and I've done 2000+ damage. I'm not questioning Punisher users or making an argument for either, I'm asking because I don't know.
Doragon wrote: Even though I built her 5/3/5, I'm leaning more towards 3/5/5 now for two simple reasons... 1) There'll always be someone who can use Red better than Psylocke, especially with the addition of Lazy Cap/Thor. 2) Her Red is kinda lackluster for the amount of AP required to use it - I think a flat rate of 5 AP might make it more reasonable. As it is in Heroic Venom, A.Slash at 2.8K damage is infinitely more appealing than the pittance that it does. At least with 5 AP cost, I can think "Oh hey for slightly less damage, I get to throw out 3 really good strike tiles!" Kinda regret selling those 4 Blue covers.