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    • Theghouse
      Theghouse Posts: 350 Mover and Shaker
      edited January 2021
      DAZ0273 said:
      I could be wrong but does Apocalypse not target the weakest character? So if YJ has least health or is last left, that explains why he can be hit.
      Apocalypse's red targets the weakest character.  It cannot hit invisible enemies and will not fire if the last enemy is invisible.  Interestingly, it will fire if there is at least one non-invisible enemy, but gets completely wasted if the weakest enemy is invisible when you fire it as it targets them for each hit and then each hit does no damage.

      His black destroys protect tiles and then deals "hits to random enemies", which will hit an invisible enemy if they are the one to be randomly selected, and will also hit them with every hit if they are the least enemy even if they are invisible.

      I figured BRB's green would behave similar to Apoc's black, but it did not even let me fire it with the last enemy being an invisible YJ.


    • DAZ0273
      DAZ0273 Posts: 10,721 Chairperson of the Boards
      No idea then mate but Apoc black definitely wipes out YJ. I have fired BRBs green against invisible enemies before and failed so didn't try that.
    • sinnerjfl
      sinnerjfl Posts: 1,276 Chairperson of the Boards
      Bad said:
      After playing his pvp,  apocalypse buffs his black and green.  All about his blue is not buffed. And of course okoye too.
      If his passive cant be buffed his tier goes down a bit.
      Plus he needs to be the one tanking when he goes invisible. 
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      Except if you throw yourself covering the grenade, then its said to being able to survive.

      The match damage not being boostable on his blue is a pretty big deal actually. That makes him drop quite a bit in my ranking then. Because this meta is all about passives and the way he gains damage is too slow to matter then, sigh.

      He's still gonna be fun, but I can't see him being competitive in PVP.
    • Bzhai
      Bzhai Posts: 552 Critical Contributor
      He's still gonna be fun, but I can't see him being competitive in PVP.
      Yes, he is. I quite like his design, reminds me of Apocalypse (low cost and powers that synergise with each other). Terrible for the AI but potentially game changing in the hands of the player.
    • Bad
      Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards
      In fact he is a character suited for only gritty,  as apocalypse or okoye wont buff his passive. 
      Apocalypse wont be so crazy to fire black YJ, and okoye cant tank him.
    • Michael1957
      Michael1957 Posts: 630 Critical Contributor
      You’ve GOT to use an AOE or PvAI takes forever. Seriously, 57 straight moves he got a blue, green or black match regardless of how much you deny them . I can’t even calculate the odds of that if the AI wasn’t cheating 
    • BlackBoltRocks
      BlackBoltRocks Posts: 1,224 Chairperson of the Boards
      edited January 2021
      Michael1957 said:
      You’ve GOT to use an AOE or PvAI takes forever. Seriously, 57 straight moves he got a blue, green or black match regardless of how much you deny them . I can’t even calculate the odds of that if the AI wasn’t cheating 
      I used God Doom, prioritised Black (plus Doom also steals Black when YJ makes black matches) and downed him in a minute.
    • Dogface
      Dogface Posts: 1,003 Chairperson of the Boards
      Twas a most annoying PVP. These characters make me wanna punch my screen.
    • Akroma
      Akroma Posts: 77 Match Maker
      Bad said:
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      Apoc buffs any damage.  He will buff YJ black and green and invisibility passive without a doubt. 
      I think his exclusive invisibility buff will not be buffed though.
      YJ will tank apoc black posibly so its a good deal althought apoc will stand taking hits when YJ goes invisible.
      IMHO I think ghostpool is better than YJ.
      thanks for the answer. aparently apoc buff wont work on his blue :(
      also why is ghost better? for the passive? but its random :(
    • Akroma
      Akroma Posts: 77 Match Maker
      wymtime said:
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      Blue does not look to go with Apocalypse yellow which is disappointing.  His black damage and green will though.  For your roster I would wait to see what the next 5* is before pulling.  Magneto is not very good and if the next 5* is better you can pull them. I am not sure about Warlock.  
      thanks for your answer. it was more of trying to get thor from the special store, which includes yellow jacket and storm.

    • HoundofShadow
      HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards
      Apoc won't work on Okoye's buff too, so there's already a precedent? I think someone can deconstruction the relationship among these buffs.
    • ThaRoadWarrior
      ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,535 Chairperson of the Boards
      Theghouse said:
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      Apocalypse's red targets the weakest character.  It cannot hit invisible enemies and will not fire if the last enemy is invisible.  Interestingly, it will fire if there is at least one non-invisible enemy, but gets completely wasted if the weakest enemy is invisible when you fire it as it targets them for each hit and then each hit does no damage.

      His black destroys protect tiles and then deals "hits to random enemies", which will hit an invisible enemy if they are the one to be randomly selected, and will also hit them with every hit if they are the least enemy even if they are invisible.

      I figured BRB's green would behave similar to Apoc's black, but it did not even let me fire it with the last enemy being an invisible YJ.


      One quirck of Apocalypse's red is that you CAN fire it off if the lowest health enemy is invisible or airborne, and it just burns the AP and does nothing, it doesn't move on to the next lowest health enemy like other powers do.
    • ThaRoadWarrior
      ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,535 Chairperson of the Boards
      HoundofShadow said:
      Apoc won't work on Okoye's buff too, so there's already a precedent? I think someone can deconstruction the relationship among these buffs.
      Those two buffs don't stack, you just get whichever one is adding more to the power. So if you get Shared Strength out on the board, it will give you its boost until you have enough Team Up tiles for Okoye's boost to take over, at which point you get Wakanda Forever! instead. They seem to add to the same powers and be excluded from the same powers as well, so if a character works or not with one, the behavior will be the same with the other in my experience.
    • DAZ0273
      DAZ0273 Posts: 10,721 Chairperson of the Boards
      I guess wanting Shared Strength + Wakanda Forever is a bit greedy!
    • liminal_lad
      liminal_lad Posts: 483 Mover and Shaker
      When do the stores typically go live? I could have sworn it would have happened by now usually.
    • shardwick
      shardwick Posts: 2,121 Chairperson of the Boards
      liminal_lad said:
      When do the stores typically go live? I could have sworn it would have happened by now usually.
      I think it'll go live with the alliance event.
    • ThisisClemFandango
      ThisisClemFandango Posts: 969 Critical Contributor
      Yeah I was thinking the same, got me some CP to spend!
    • BlackBoltRocks
      BlackBoltRocks Posts: 1,224 Chairperson of the Boards
      edited February 2021
      @ThaRoadWarrior you mentioned in your shart thread that Jacket’s Black is not boosted by Apocalypse’s Yellow?

      I just tested out my 2/1/1 lv255 Jacket with Okoye (Jacket boosted to lv365).

      Test 1: I used his Blue by itself, and made a Green match (which he tanks) while he was invisible, and I had 3 Teamup AP. The extra damage from matches and powers did not get boosted by Okoye.

      Test 2: I used his Black immediately before using his Green, and I had 16 TU. Jacket was not invisible. Some numbers:

      YJ Black deals an extra 3743 damage.
      YJ Green does 1444 x 2 damage.
      Okoye’s Black adds 1495 per TU. I had 16 AP, so that’s an extra 23920 damage.

      Using this, YJ one-shotted enemy Venom who had 62k health. Doing the math:

      (1444 + 23920) x 2 = 50728
      50728 + (3743 + 23920) = 78391.

      The extra damage from his Black does get boosted by Okoye.

      Not sure why Poccy wouldn’t boost his Black in this scenario...
    • ThaRoadWarrior
      ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,535 Chairperson of the Boards
      Yeah I was testing it out with Apocalypse, and found that it does also work with Shared Strength. I'm not sure where I was seeing that, but it's definitely working like I'd expect. I'd been seeing somebody claiming YellowJacket wasn't getting a Wakanda Forever! boost, and I can only guess they were describing the match damage boost at this point? or else it was quietly fixed if it was ever actually broken. 
    • Tiger_Wong
      Tiger_Wong Posts: 1,081 Chairperson of the Boards
      My YJ is 3/5/4 for the Venom Bomb pve and he’s boosted. Which means when he’s invisible, he tacks on 11193 more damage to his powers and his matches. That’s pretty hefty. So what I do is make him invisible and make as many matches (preferably Green, blue, or black so he stays invisible) as I can. So who gives me more matches? 

      5* Carnage of course. Weird thing..... carnage’s red doesn’t drain life from YJ when he’s invisible. 

      I’ve been running this duo with Okoye (pumps up that invisible damage) and 5*DD (lots of damage when he gets a stun). 

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