***** Darren Cross (Yellowjacket) *****

HoundofShadow

I don't know where they got that comment from but I saw it mentioned a few times over the past years.

As for Yellow Jacket, you  can't stack his black power and the additional damage applies after the calculation for both green hits. However, his blue power adds x damage to each hit of his green power.

I think many might have missed that Yellow Jacket has to be the one who makes those three coloured matches in order to increase the turn of his invisibility. If you have other characters tanking one of those 3 colours for him, then it might be a big deal. At least, this is how I interpret this part of his ability.

"If Yellowjacket makes a Black, Blue, or Green match while Invisible, he stays Invisible for an extra turn."

His best and only build is 5/5/3, because green at 5 covers destroy 1 more enemy SAP tile and deals an extra 398 damage for each hit. So, it's not worth sacrificing the other 2 excellent powers for a 5 in green, unless you have someone in mind for either black or green.

LakeStone

mbaren said:

Shouldn't that black power be "Cross YouR Heart"?

Yes, that's correct.  Fixed that copy just now.  Thanks!

Bad

Well, that was pretty interesting.  Ant man is a pushover and its easy to explore the character. 
As I thought its possible to store 2 times adding the damage.  Then even he deals his 3500 damage while firing his black.
Then I went invisible and he released the 2 charges with it.
That mean he could do huge damage with green while being invisible and storing 2 times black. Not needing any multipliers helping him, although being slow. And nuking matches while invisible.  I think this is a pretty funny character who can do big (small? )things on his own. 

About my champed characters,  among my almost 15 characters Im using 9 of them usually on pve, perhaps all of them if things get thight and health packs are needed.
I could use more or them if I was not always in hurry and trying to save time. 
Sometimes it happens that I forgot to use that 4* who was so good on that same node last time, because I really wanted to play with that last 5*.
And Im happy on champing with them and playing them. 
On pvp of course its limited to 3, but that is just normal. 

Polares

After playing him I will say, he is decent, he is also fun, but nothing else. As a stand alone char he is no better than 5* Spidey Peter for example, and he doesnt have a great team to fit in, so again, just another decent char that wont be used very much when he is not featured. The only thing he might make him special is his blue power, that invis might be useful at some point in some crazy hard node in scl10.


Regarding the roster. In PvP you must use the best chars possible if you want to win, no way around that. PvE was a bit more open in the past, but now at scl10 I would say you also need to use the best chars, so yeah we are kinda forced into using the same best 5s everywhere. We use Okoye, Thor, Apoc, BRB, Kitty and Hulk everywhere and there is not that much space for anybody else. 

wymtime

Polares said:

After playing him I will say, he is decent, he is also fun, but nothing else. As a stand alone char he is no better than 5* Spidey Peter for example, and he doesnt have a great team to fit in, so again, just another decent char that wont be used very much when he is not featured. The only thing he might make him special is his blue power, that invis might be useful at some point in some crazy hard node in scl10.


Regarding the roster. In PvP you must use the best chars possible if you want to win, no way around that. PvE was a bit more open in the past, but now at scl10 I would say you also need to use the best chars, so yeah we are kinda forced into using the same best 5s everywhere. We use Okoye, Thor, Apoc, BRB, Kitty and Hulk everywhere and there is not that much space for anybody else. 

Here is where I will disagree with you in PVE.  If the 5* who is essential in PVE is fin and or useful I will use them on hard nodes and some times the other essential nodes in PVE.  There are other characters like Kingpin now who is just useless even with the 100 level buff.  I feel Yellowjacket falls into the first category when he is essential in PVE he will be fun to play then will go collect dust. He could even be a character you bring as a 3rd for fun in SIM when messing around

Rosraf

DAZ0273 said:

I can only assume that maybe they are using up some inventory? I was also expecting Wanda but then I guess we do have a movie coming out (at some point, maybe!) that has her heavilly featured so they might be waiting for then. 

I was hoping for Cardigan Vision. 

Rosraf

ThaRoadWarrior said:

If Invis protected you from AOE, he'd be meta, but since it doesn't (and really it maybe shouldn't, just saying that's the meta right now) I agree he might not be.

Did invisible used to protect from AOE?  I swear 4PX used to go invis and be untouchable as long as that tile wasn't destroyed.  

ThaRoadWarrior

it hasn't for quite a long time if it ever did; like some years now

Polares

wymtime said:

Polares said:

After playing him I will say, he is decent, he is also fun, but nothing else. As a stand alone char he is no better than 5* Spidey Peter for example, and he doesnt have a great team to fit in, so again, just another decent char that wont be used very much when he is not featured. The only thing he might make him special is his blue power, that invis might be useful at some point in some crazy hard node in scl10.


Regarding the roster. In PvP you must use the best chars possible if you want to win, no way around that. PvE was a bit more open in the past, but now at scl10 I would say you also need to use the best chars, so yeah we are kinda forced into using the same best 5s everywhere. We use Okoye, Thor, Apoc, BRB, Kitty and Hulk everywhere and there is not that much space for anybody else. 

Here is where I will disagree with you in PVE.  If the 5* who is essential in PVE is fin and or useful I will use them on hard nodes and some times the other essential nodes in PVE.  There are other characters like Kingpin now who is just useless even with the 100 level buff.  I feel Yellowjacket falls into the first category when he is essential in PVE he will be fun to play then will go collect dust. He could even be a character you bring as a 3rd for fun in SIM when messing around

If the char that is featured is good, sure, I would use them too, we dont actually disagree on that. Those extra 100 levels to chars that are good usually makes them great (they jump a tier because of those extra 100 levels). I will also say that depending on who it is, if it doesnt pair well with any of the meta chars, then I might not use it, and go back to meta chars only.

The problem for a lot of players though, is that you dont get those 5s champed until they are going to get out of Latest, and at that point they are just featured once a year (but that is another problem)

thedarkphoenix

The only thing that hurts him currently is he won't do well against ihulk/adam. Which makes him "bad" right now, but he's a good character.

If you aren't fighting a AOE team he's pretty strong and he can fight brb/kitty teams really well.

 even then he has a pretty good nuke and can heal.

I'd have to play him a bit more but currently I think he's really good especially with another true healer. What I need to know is if the stores on his black power stack and if they do then him and Okoye looking really nice

HoundofShadow

They don't stack. If you fire his black twice in a row, your black power will deal the "energised" damage. Likewise, your green power benefits from only one energised damage for two hits. The calculation would be (hit x 2) + energised damage.

Bad

HoundofShadow said:

They don't stack. If you fire his black twice in a row, your black power will deal the "energised" damage. Likewise, your green power benefits from only one energised damage for two hits. The calculation would be (hit x 2) + energised damage.

I checked it. The black power stacks. But its just his final punch. He fires a power like another black or invisibility, final punch from black. He fires green, final punch.
So his black is only for healing him and a final punch to the next power.
Storing 2 or more charges, final punch stronger released.

HoundofShadow

I'm not sure if we have the same definition of stack. 

When I said stack, I meant when you fire black twice, your green power won't gain additional two "energised" damage. It will gain only one.

For example, 

1. Fire black and gain energised damage for next power fired.
2. Fire black again. Deals energised damage and gain energised damage for next power fired.
3. Fire green. Damage = (green x 2 hit) + 1 energised damage, instead of (green x 2 hit) + (energised damage x 2).

Bad

By the fact is easy to check against ant man, but without using invisibility because that ruined my calculations before. Black its not stacking no matter how many times its fired.

Theghouse

Thanks Hound for definitively stating how that works.

LavaManLee

I like him.  But he is very "puzzley" in a good way.  You really need to watch and be careful to fire everything in the proper order to maximize his usefulness.  Which means the AI won't have a clue how to use him so you never want to leave him out on defense.

Akroma

hi guys, for a friend who has only onslaugh profx and apocalypse, is this new hero good?

he has 4 green covers on thor, and well, we know thorpocalypse is fast and good in pve, and can work in the start of pvp to climb.
so he is thinking on using lt to get thor, but that means he will get covers for storm and this one.
in case he gets lots of covers for yellowjacket, is he good considering his champs?

will blue and green activate apocs buff?
also, will green double tap on apocs yellow?
thanks

Theghouse

I disagree with the AI statements - I don't think he'll be completely useless. 

His blue and black are likely to be the cheapest options on any team so the AI will consider them early.  Even if the black is fired before the heal is needed, because of the cheapness of all his powers there's a good chance the AI will fire another to tack on the bonus damage.

Once blue is fired the AI is also good at chasing active colors so if he tanks his colors that should be quite an annoyance with no tiles to destroy to break his invisibility.

Because his powers are cheap and his invisibility is extendable, there's also a decent chance the AI will luck into firing green while he's invisible to knock out some special tiles as well.

DAZ0273

I agree about firing his powers in order. I had a little trouble on the day 2 wave node dying twice but once I had adjusted to how he works I aced it with barely a scratch. So I think he is going to be one of those where he is either untouchable or fails epicly if you mistimed things. He might be unpredictable in the AI hands.

HoundofShadow

One of the general rules is that AI will try to fire the most expensive power first. So, you can:

1) team him with someone whose power costs are cheaper than his
2) make sure nobody is using blue/black/green on your team
3) make sure your other teammates aren't tanking his colours if you are banking on him going invisible for long. 

The other rule is that AI will chase teamup tiles first followed by their strongest colour. One thing I'm not sure is whose strongest colours they are chasing. Is it randomly selected or is it based on match damage?