Bad said: LavaManLee said:. Not underrating him at all. He is bad. Just absolutely bad. At what point is it good to have one of your 5* airborn for three turns for max damage? It makes no sense. There is no underrating. He is just not good. At all. But he still is buffing his tiles. He has an unbelievable destructive power and an unbelievable defensive one. Did you wanted speed too?I think it fits the character really well, in fact levitating is a thing he uses to do.Apocalypse is slow too and no one could say he is bad.It could be that the era of speedy battles is going to end.
LavaManLee said:. Not underrating him at all. He is bad. Just absolutely bad. At what point is it good to have one of your 5* airborn for three turns for max damage? It makes no sense. There is no underrating. He is just not good. At all.
Vhailorx said: "unbelievable destructive power," really? He requires 10 + 24 ap do + 3 turns to do <100k damage. for 7 + 7 + 7 ap and 2 turns, apoc can do even more damage while ignoring protect tiles with his red. 5Mags nuke is pretty high damage, but it's not at all out of line with the current damage meta. it's just harder to use effectively. (Just to add specific numbers, 5mags will do about 67k damage assuming he can make all 7 hits. and if you have any strike tiles out, you can 8x their value, but getting strikes would cost 9 red ap. If apoc casts yellow, waits two turns to get 4+ protect tiles out on the board, and then casts both red and black, he will do about 120k assuming a 3/5/5 build. so that's about +80% damage, for 13 less ap, in 1 fewer turns.)You are trying too hard to like him. he just isn't especially good (on paper or in the "introducing" event, though we should defer a final consensus view until more champed 5mags are in the wild.). He may not be close to the worst 5* in the game, but I still don't see any way that is not much too slow and clunky to be top tier.
Bad said: Vhailorx said: "unbelievable destructive power," really? He requires 10 + 24 ap do + 3 turns to do <100k damage. for 7 + 7 + 7 ap and 2 turns, apoc can do even more damage while ignoring protect tiles with his red. 5Mags nuke is pretty high damage, but it's not at all out of line with the current damage meta. it's just harder to use effectively. (Just to add specific numbers, 5mags will do about 67k damage assuming he can make all 7 hits. and if you have any strike tiles out, you can 8x their value, but getting strikes would cost 9 red ap. If apoc casts yellow, waits two turns to get 4+ protect tiles out on the board, and then casts both red and black, he will do about 120k assuming a 3/5/5 build. so that's about +80% damage, for 13 less ap, in 1 fewer turns.)You are trying too hard to like him. he just isn't especially good (on paper or in the "introducing" event, though we should defer a final consensus view until more champed 5mags are in the wild.). He may not be close to the worst 5* in the game, but I still don't see any way that is not much too slow and clunky to be top tier. As I said he is not wasting yellow. So he can use his turns collecting more blue for to down almost anyone. Unbelievable destructive power, this is it. Because with strikes or with other damage multipliers he can destroy without taking damage.Having another one who collects blue for him. Like vulture.Edit: I just confirmed he is not using yellow and also hits damage others if downed.
Vhailorx said: LavaManLee said: He really is a hot mess. I have no idea what the Devs were thinking when they created him. He is potentially one of the worst 5* at this point. He's definitely not the worst 5*. Wasp can't do anything half as useful as make strength 600 strike tiles, or boost protect tiles, or steal enemy tiles. It's really no contest.
LavaManLee said: He really is a hot mess. I have no idea what the Devs were thinking when they created him. He is potentially one of the worst 5* at this point.
wymtime said: I think it is just time you put your CP where your mouth is. Please champ him when he goes into LL store and post some videos of how awesome he is. A PVP match against BRB/Kitty, a PVP match against Okoye/IHulk and a Sim match against an IHulk team. This way to can show us how awesome he is, how long it takes to actually win a match with him in PVP and Sim compared to other teams.
Uber_mpq said: Will pair well with apoc by the looks of it
Tiger_Wong said: Give his blue a new mechanic. Instead of AIRBORNE, give him HOVER.HOVER : With this mechanic, he can be targeted with single attack damage but not with team damage or random attacks. He can also still make matches and fire powers. Then when he returns from HOVER, he does the “big damage”.
Bad said: wymtime said: I think it is just time you put your CP where your mouth is. Please champ him when he goes into LL store and post some videos of how awesome he is. A PVP match against BRB/Kitty, a PVP match against Okoye/IHulk and a Sim match against an IHulk team. This way to can show us how awesome he is, how long it takes to actually win a match with him in PVP and Sim compared to other teams. Sorry but no. I will champ him almost when he leaves, as I am champing almost every 5*.And Im not needing to watch anything for understanding how good he is.I think its a great designing as the player can choose for him to stay in land or send him flying.Another time Im repeating he is not wasting yellow with his airborne, so everytime he flies he will deal more damage. Brb and polaris will provide him enough blue if that is what the player needs.Or he can use his cheap yellow to mess tiles and fortify more the board along with red powers and with brb blue.I think you can imagine that without videos.Less speed winning but saving health packs. But that is not making him bad, in the opposite. One thing good of this game is that players will end showing you wich character is good and wich not.
wymtime said:You also said Apocalypse is slow yet I went into Sim and won a match in 4 turns with him?? That’s slow?? I do full clear in CL10 in good time without using a ton of health packs and play a lot of PVP without going through a ton of health packs. All you are doing with Magneto is reducing match damage 1 turn earlier on an already slow team.
Bad said: <Snip>I would like to think that in this game there can be play outside the 3 meta multipliers.I think I already said all what I could without having him champed. So I think its ridiculous being here repeating and repeating. Time will tell.
Bad said: wymtime said:You also said Apocalypse is slow yet I went into Sim and won a match in 4 turns with him?? That’s slow?? I do full clear in CL10 in good time without using a ton of health packs and play a lot of PVP without going through a ton of health packs. All you are doing with Magneto is reducing match damage 1 turn earlier on an already slow team. Wow! Congratulations! So do I.Sorry but apocalypse is slow, or at least the most slow of the 3 damage multipliers. Having yellow at the start of a match doesnt grants it be there always. Im saying this because Im always using him, of course.Brb polaris and magneto is a slow team? Did you saw brb and polaris in pvp? Because I saw him a lot of times. Would he not be a great reinforcer for that meta? He buffs on deploy all protect tiles, is that reducing match damage 1 turn earlier? I dont think so.If another 5* xmen spamming protect appears, could not he be a lot more dangerous?.I would like to think that in this game there can be play outside the 3 meta multipliers.I think I already said all what I could without having him champed. So I think its ridiculous being here repeating and repeating. Time will tell.
wymtime said: Your argument is basically to add this 3rd to Thor/Okoye and they are awesome!! That is not a good character it is a character made good by Okoye. You are just adding Mags to 2 Meta characters calling him the 3rd.the reality is Mags is slow to get rolling. His blue while powerful is conditional on having enough yellow AP and you have to wait 3 turns for it to hit. His red is not good. This is easy to see as I have play tested it.enjoy your Mags they way you will just please stop saying he is meta shaking and amazing in this nieche 3 character group.