pheregas said: fight4thedream said: While I understand both sides of the argument, I think the OP's complaint is valid and something worth considering. From what I understand, PvP is the less popular game mode and events like Class of do nothing to encourage players with less developed rosters to participate. One possible solution would be to make better use of the S.H.I.E.L.D. Rank feature. For players under a certain S.H.I.E.L.D. Rank events like Class of would be invisible or locked. Perhaps in their stead, they could run PvP events that are more new player friendly like Combined Arms, Balance of Power and Bag-man which in turn would be locked to players at a higher S.H.I.E.L.D. Rank. I suppose rewards should also be different, something that would be more immediately useful for younger rosters. Another possible solution is to just provide all players access to character sets for that event. Heroics were discontinued because they were restrictive for newer players and I believe Class Of events suffer from the same issue. Yes, there is a good argument to be had that such events reward dedication and building up one's roster but I don't think it should come at the expense of a significant portion of players feeling left out. Either hide such events from them using S.H.I.E.L.D. Rank so they are not aware they are missing out or provide an alternative. But it seems I am repeating myself now so I will leave it that. I have a fully developed roster with just about every character in the 2020 tier champed. And I still stay away from this event.Roster diversity has always been the most interesting part of PVP since you are forced to use an essential character. This can lead to some non-meta uses of characters, which is fine and gives it a little spice. But this particular event, since there is such a relatively small amount of characters to be used, is almost designed to be dominated by whales. Especially so since recent game changes have made many of us pick and choose who to hoard for. If you are a player like me, who's collector mentality wants all characters champed independent of how high they end up, it means that all my available characters 5* characters will be lower level than those that chose to hoard.This disparity is only becoming more evident in the current 2020 PVP and it's simply not fun. But that's just my opinion. This rant was not meant to throw whales under the bus. I firmly believe that whales should have a competitive edge due to their financial investment, but that does not mean that I believe that whales should have the exclusive opportunity to even try to compete in an event either.
fight4thedream said: While I understand both sides of the argument, I think the OP's complaint is valid and something worth considering. From what I understand, PvP is the less popular game mode and events like Class of do nothing to encourage players with less developed rosters to participate. One possible solution would be to make better use of the S.H.I.E.L.D. Rank feature. For players under a certain S.H.I.E.L.D. Rank events like Class of would be invisible or locked. Perhaps in their stead, they could run PvP events that are more new player friendly like Combined Arms, Balance of Power and Bag-man which in turn would be locked to players at a higher S.H.I.E.L.D. Rank. I suppose rewards should also be different, something that would be more immediately useful for younger rosters. Another possible solution is to just provide all players access to character sets for that event. Heroics were discontinued because they were restrictive for newer players and I believe Class Of events suffer from the same issue. Yes, there is a good argument to be had that such events reward dedication and building up one's roster but I don't think it should come at the expense of a significant portion of players feeling left out. Either hide such events from them using S.H.I.E.L.D. Rank so they are not aware they are missing out or provide an alternative. But it seems I am repeating myself now so I will leave it that.
Daredevil217 said: pheregas said: fight4thedream said: While I understand both sides of the argument, I think the OP's complaint is valid and something worth considering. From what I understand, PvP is the less popular game mode and events like Class of do nothing to encourage players with less developed rosters to participate. One possible solution would be to make better use of the S.H.I.E.L.D. Rank feature. For players under a certain S.H.I.E.L.D. Rank events like Class of would be invisible or locked. Perhaps in their stead, they could run PvP events that are more new player friendly like Combined Arms, Balance of Power and Bag-man which in turn would be locked to players at a higher S.H.I.E.L.D. Rank. I suppose rewards should also be different, something that would be more immediately useful for younger rosters. Another possible solution is to just provide all players access to character sets for that event. Heroics were discontinued because they were restrictive for newer players and I believe Class Of events suffer from the same issue. Yes, there is a good argument to be had that such events reward dedication and building up one's roster but I don't think it should come at the expense of a significant portion of players feeling left out. Either hide such events from them using S.H.I.E.L.D. Rank so they are not aware they are missing out or provide an alternative. But it seems I am repeating myself now so I will leave it that. I have a fully developed roster with just about every character in the 2020 tier champed. And I still stay away from this event.Roster diversity has always been the most interesting part of PVP since you are forced to use an essential character. This can lead to some non-meta uses of characters, which is fine and gives it a little spice. But this particular event, since there is such a relatively small amount of characters to be used, is almost designed to be dominated by whales. Especially so since recent game changes have made many of us pick and choose who to hoard for. If you are a player like me, who's collector mentality wants all characters champed independent of how high they end up, it means that all my available characters 5* characters will be lower level than those that chose to hoard.This disparity is only becoming more evident in the current 2020 PVP and it's simply not fun. But that's just my opinion. This rant was not meant to throw whales under the bus. I firmly believe that whales should have a competitive edge due to their financial investment, but that does not mean that I believe that whales should have the exclusive opportunity to even try to compete in an event either. Interesting take. I tend to find “regular PVP” way way less diverse. With no Okoye, Kitty, Grocket or Thor, this has been the best PVP I’ve played in while with regards to opponent diversity. I’m missing Heim/Daken/Pool, but have the rest champed. It’s been fun getting to use my “newest toys” (especially Polaris) without a sea of Hulkoyes to sift through. I played around with a number of teams (came in with 6 “saved teams” queued) but Carnage/Bill/Polaris was by far the most brutal on offense. It was fun countering those teams by trying to one-shot Polaris with Onslaught (usually flanked by BillPocalypse). Weird seeing Hulk be such a non-factor when he’s such a big part of the normal meta scene.
DAZ0273 said: ...tl/dr - Play the SCL you can manage in PvE but feel free to play any SCL you are eligable for in PvP providing you are not after placing highly.
Rhipf said: DAZ0273 said: ...tl/dr - Play the SCL you can manage in PvE but feel free to play any SCL you are eligable for in PvP providing you are not after placing highly. I may be wrong but isn't there a bit of a caveat to this? The higher SCL you play the less teams of your roster strength and lower there are for you to get matched to. Once you get enough points you will have less of these similar rosters to be matched with and the system will match you with more high roster opponents. You will need to do a lot more skips to find an adequate match or you will need to hit above your roster sooner in the higher SCLs.As I said I could be totally wrong on this though.
Mr_F said: Nope. SCL WILL decide some opponets. I mean, the roster develpment is tied to SCL in PVP - I do not expect someone from SCL5 to have 5* champion - at best few 4*, if chased. Same, I am ecpecting 5* champions in SCL8 and above. Etc. Yes, different players may find different opponents types in same SCL (like I do not see three 5* champion teams yet).Of course, I am talking PVP only.
BriMan2222 said: Now your shield rank does determine what scl you can choose in pvp.
Mr_F said: BriMan2222 said: Now your shield rank does determine what scl you can choose in pvp. That is why I said your SCL determines opponents. Yes, theoretically you can be do what ya described but realistically speaking if i saw such opponent with me being just 1* and 2* I would skip him immidiatetly, which bring us to the very beggining: your scl to some degree determine your opponents.
BriMan2222 said: Mr_F said: BriMan2222 said: Now your shield rank does determine what scl you can choose in pvp. That is why I said your SCL determines opponents. Yes, theoretically you can be do what ya described but realistically speaking if i saw such opponent with me being just 1* and 2* I would skip him immidiatetly, which bring us to the very beggining: your scl to some degree determine your opponents. I don't think you understood what I was saying If you were just a 1* or 2* player you wouldn't skip him, because you wouldn't even be able to see him. Even if you were in the same scl and same bracket as him, his roster would be invisible to the 1* and 2* rosters and they would not show up for him. He would be getting matched against all the 5 star players playing in scl 10 because scl does nothing to determine your opponents, your roster strength does.
BriMan2222 said: Rhipf said:... No, scl level effects nothing except the reward bracket you are in. You will be matched against the same teams your mmr decides you should see no matter what scl you play. The only difference is the people you are competing for placement rewards against and the value of rewards in progression and placement.
Rhipf said:...
Rhipf said: So everyone in PvP is in one pool (divided by time section obviously) and your opponent is selected from every team that is playing the event in that time section (and based on MMR)?
Rhipf said: I thought that the choice of opponents were only those in the same SCL (and same time section) and possibly even just in the same slice. If we are supposed to be matched with everyone in all SCL why do the opponent I see seem to be fewer when I begin an event near the ending time of a section and get into a slice with only a few players?
Rhipf said: BriMan2222 said: Rhipf said:... No, scl level effects nothing except the reward bracket you are in. You will be matched against the same teams your mmr decides you should see no matter what scl you play. The only difference is the people you are competing for placement rewards against and the value of rewards in progression and placement. So everyone in PvP is in one pool (divided by time section obviously) and your opponent is selected from every team that is playing the event in that time section (and based on MMR)?I thought that the choice of opponents were only those in the same SCL (and same time section) and possibly even just in the same slice. If we are supposed to be matched with everyone in all SCL why do the opponent I see seem to be fewer when I begin an event near the ending time of a section and get into a slice with only a few players?