Updates to Earning Supports *Updated (1/24/19)

bluewolf said:

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Pr0spect0r said:

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Straycat said:

Ah I knew I should have been hoarding support tokens. Oh well, I would have only had like 4 saved up in the past 6 months anyway

Has it even been possible to hoard Support tokens? They seem so rare.

Yes it is. I have 42 of them. They could have been 42 4* covers

The hoarded tokens now do the same thing they have always done - open from a pool of 18 Supports and (likely) give you riso for the duplicates.  In the near future, the amount of riso from dupes will go down.  So whether you hoarded or not is basically a non-issue since they aren't updating the Support pool that the current in-game Support tokens pull from.  You should open hoarded tokens now if you would like more riso vs waiting until after the compensation drops.

Also, it's splitting hairs, but the Support tokens replaced 2's (and I think a 3) in the event vaults.  The odds of drawing a 4 or LT have remained the same before and after the Support tokens were added.

However, they are playing with the odds that make non-Legendary Support tokens more valuable - they are increasing the chances of getting a higher level support out of the beginner and advanced tokens.  Since RIso isn't really a problem, I'm going to hoard my 11 tokens until the change goes through - I definitely could use proportionately more 3s and 4s.

As far as Support Tokens vs 4*s, you're correct in that they did replace lower level characters, but the Support Tokens are as rare as 4*s so it's hard not to think of them that way.

RickOShay said:

I'm very surprised that it sounds like so many were/are hoarding support tokens. I guess that was a small risk in hopes individualized-supports would have entered the main pool at some point. 

Also I'd like to make a prediction: At least 1 out of 7 people will be disappointed about the chosen day that the support circuit will be run. 

GrimSkald said:

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bluewolf said:

@GrimSkald
If you look at the first page, Ice confirmed that the stored tokens will
not be changed in any way - including the odds of a rank 4 - except for the decreased riso sell back. 

Saving your tokens past the update will only be a negative for you.  

Brigby appears to say that explicitly, yes.  Meh, it's not a big deal either way, I may hoard just out of curiosity.

IceIX said:

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Punter1 said:

Any dates on when this will be live? 

Also the circuit event, is that going to act similar to DPD?  

Soon (tm).

Support Circuit is kind of like Deadpool Daily, yes. However, it runs one day a week while DDQ runs every day. Support Circuit is also a placement event while DDQ is solo. Both have progression rewards in either case.

Spudgutter said:

reduced riso for dupes doesn't make sense, and is contrary to an update.  the values that they are being diminished aren't that considerable, sure, and we are presumed to be getting more tokens = more dupes, but it goes back to; why reduce them at all?  it takes 387000 to go from rank 1 to rank 200.  i now need 93 2* dupes versus 55.  for just one support.  out of 48.  a number that continues to grow.

jamesh said:

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Pr0spect0r said:

bluewolf said:

Pr0spect0r said:

DAZ0273 said:

Straycat said:

Ah I knew I should have been hoarding support tokens. Oh well, I would have only had like 4 saved up in the past 6 months anyway

Has it even been possible to hoard Support tokens? They seem so rare.

Yes it is. I have 42 of them. They could have been 42 4* covers

Also, it's splitting hairs, but the Support tokens replaced 2's (and I think a 3) in the event vaults.  The odds of drawing a 4 or LT have remained the same before and after the Support tokens were added.

Correct but also due to how they are placed in the vault they moved them in the location that used to house the 4 star covers. And based on how I believe someone interpreted or translated the mechanism behind vaults the location pulls aren't random but the covers in those locations are.

By that same logic, if you've pulled 4* covers from the vault they would have been 3* covers without supports.

If we assume the PRNG is fair, then any choice should be equally likely and position doesn't matter.  They could shuffle the vault contents and it shouldn't make a difference to your long term results.

Pr0spect0r said:

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GrimSkald said:

bluewolf said:

@GrimSkald
If you look at the first page, Ice confirmed that the stored tokens will
not be changed in any way - including the odds of a rank 4 - except for the decreased riso sell back. 

Saving your tokens past the update will only be a negative for you.  

Brigby appears to say that explicitly, yes.  Meh, it's not a big deal either way, I may hoard just out of curiosity.

I do it out of a general feeling of uninterested

It's less that I'm uninterested - I like the change and look forward to seeing it in effect - than RIso is worth far, far less than getting a shot at a higher level support that I don't have.  I've got a number of supports at level 2, even in the original lot, that I'd like to see at level 3.  I have only 6 Rank 4s, which is probably a lot (I've gotten some nice pulls out of the support vaults, and I've gotten two or three ten packs.)  Rank 4s are likely to be at least interesting, if not actively useful.

I did the math, the difference in RIso for duplicates averages out to 1511.2 per pull for Beginner support tokens - that's weighted for your chance of getting each particular rank and is conditional on them not touching the existing tokens at all.  I have 13 tokens at the moment, so if I wait and they don't do anything to the tokens, I "lose" 19645 RIso by not opening them now.  That's not insignificant, but since they increased the RIso rewards I've been able to max out every support I'm likely to use, and I started working on ones I don't use.  In other words, I'm not hurting for the resource.

If they don't change the odds, I am very unlikely to get anything that changes my existing supports - I have all the original set of supports (which is why I started hoarding in the first place,) only one of them is at rank 1, and all but 4 are at rank 3.

The flip side of that is if we're misinterpreting what Brigby said, or he misinterpreted the information he was given, and they do put the new odds on the old tokens, that increases the chance of me getting a 3 or 4 in something I only have a 2 or 3 from almost zero to... well probably low, but at least there's a chance....

DarthDeVo said:

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IceIX said:

Punter1 said:

Any dates on when this will be live? 

Also the circuit event, is that going to act similar to DPD?  

Soon (tm).

Support Circuit is kind of like Deadpool Daily, yes. However, it runs one day a week while DDQ runs every day. Support Circuit is also a placement event while DDQ is solo. Both have progression rewards in either case.

This definitely tempers my excitement. I was picturing something akin to DDQ, just complete it anytime within a 24 hour period and you're good. No placement, no time slices. 

If you complete it, it's locked out for the rest of the event until it rotates. Think like how the Crash is available for 5 days in DDQ. If you complete it the first day, it's locked the next four. If you wait a few days and play, then it's only locked two or three days until the next one rotates in. 

Instead we have an event that seems to feature placement and is available for one set, determined 24 hour period. Uhhhhhhh... what if you have a real life commitment that precludes you from competing? That seems highly inconvenient and not very player friendly.

I'm having a hard time seeing why this was determined to be the best way to implement or design this new feature. 

Twomp_thaDJ said:

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IceIX said:

Support Circuit is kind of like Deadpool Daily, yes. However, it runs one day a week while DDQ runs every day. Support Circuit is also a placement event while DDQ is solo. Both have progression rewards in either case.

With placement events all I see is speed racing to the finish.. how will this be done one day a week with no subs? This also means those with better rosters will finish faster and get then top spot every time... Will there be different start times or will one group be lucky it starts when they are awake?