Phaserhawk wrote: I'm thinking I'm just gonna have to pump some HP in to him, he's way to good right now to be sitting on the sideline, i'll see how many covers i can pick up in the juggernaut events, but hell, 0/5/5 would be a beast to deal with, let alone a fully levled 3/5/5 141 Thor, that would be instant, skip on my pvp
Phantron wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: I'm thinking I'm just gonna have to pump some HP in to him, he's way to good right now to be sitting on the sideline, i'll see how many covers i can pick up in the juggernaut events, but hell, 0/5/5 would be a beast to deal with, let alone a fully levled 3/5/5 141 Thor, that would be instant, skip on my pvp There's no reason to not invest in him right now because his skill set is very solid and fills a crucially missing role in the 3*. Let's say they just drop all his damage by 50% and call it a day, but his skills are still top notch on defense because none of them can somehow be used in the wrong way. He'll still do more damage than Hulk while the opponent is killing everyone but your tanks, and you don't have to worry about the AI's questionable use of abilities like Recharge/Battleplan/Defense Grid. The only tank character that's competitive against him would be Black Panther, who has two abilities the AI uses poorly (and his black probably will still get nerfed some more is my guess). On offense, as long as he can drop 9 green tiles with Thunder Strike, that pretty much assures him a place on offense given green is probably the best attack color in the game.
MTGOFerret wrote: Heh Phantron I like you an all man, but all this hate on things that are more powerful then the last needs to stop if we're going to be able to have fun toys and not just a bland match 3 game.
Phantron wrote: A character with more HP than a standard 5800 HP that also has strictly better damaging skills obseletes the existence of every character with only 5800 HP.
Phantron wrote: Even abilities like AP steal can be calculated as a number by figuring out the average value of a point of AP
Phantron wrote: Actually, that'd have an interesting limitation if Thor's opponents cannot be stunned or AP steal, because the God of Thunder does not approve such trickery.
Phantron wrote: Magneto and Spiderman are way broken and should never be compared to anybody in terms of balance. Patch is strong because of the aforementioned two characters that allows you to trivially get around the weakness of Berserker Rage. If these two characters aren't an option, you're either going to have to have Loki (a relatively weak character and you got to wait for a significant amount of black as well) or take significant risk on his best ability. The Punisher is in no way comparable to lazy Thor. As powerful as Judgment is, it is not Call the Storm. The red is about equal, and Thunder Strike is pretty much better than Call the Storm (because it triggers a Call the Storm most of the time) and is easily better than Molotov.
MTGOFerret wrote: Heh Phantron I like you an all man, but all this hate on things that are more powerful then the last needs to stop if we're going to be able to have fun toys and not just a bland match 3 game. first everyone complained till BP got a nerf and now complaining about LazyThor? Come on man! Lets let the devs focus on doing what they're doing and hope they focus on buffing what we have rather then listen to us belly ache to nerf everything as they bring it out.
DaveyPitch wrote: I've currently got a 3/3/3 Lazy Thor at the cover capped level of 89. He's definitely a powerful character, but I'm still torn on whether I'd call him OP or not. I was playing his PvP against a team with a 100+ level Mags, and while I was focusing on collecting Red/Yellow/Green, I neglected to spot Mags collecting Purple. One Magnetic Translocation later and Thor had lost 90% of his health in one shot. I barely survived that match. A sign of how powerful I feel he is can be seen that I consider him to be the main man in my 2nd string team. My main line up is 100 Patch, 100 Mags, 60 Spidey. My reserve team will be 89 Lazy Thor, 70 GSBW, and 70 Hulk (until I get more BP covers anyway). If you want to lay waste to the opposition quickly (and we know PvP is all about speed) I would still rate Patch and Classic Mags as far better characters than Lazy Thor.
Polares wrote: Thor changes A LOT when you have yellow at 5. Even from 4 to 5 it is a BIG difference (at 5 almost always you have a cascade, at four just sometimes). I got mine at 3/5/4 level 98 and he is great, but as I said earlier I still think Patch and Punisher are better because their abilities are cheaper or more versatile.
DaveyPitch wrote: Polares wrote: Thor changes A LOT when you have yellow at 5. Even from 4 to 5 it is a BIG difference (at 5 almost always you have a cascade, at four just sometimes). I got mine at 3/5/4 level 98 and he is great, but as I said earlier I still think Patch and Punisher are better because their abilities are cheaper or more versatile. I'd agree with that. Thor's Yellow is the only thing that qualifies him as OP really. His Red is good but there are better out there. Call The Storm is powerful, but both BP's Black and GSBW's Sniper Rifle both hit for more damage. It's the Lightning Storm generating all that green that's the real issue. If D3 plan to funbalance him at all, they should have his Yellow end the turn. At least that way you're potentially handing your opponent a boatload of greens to work with, and if you're up against a max level Patch, Ares or Thor, you might think twice before using it (certainly if you don't have a good amount of green already stored up).
Polares wrote: But this doesn't have much sense because regular 2* Thor generates 9 green tiles too. Of course he does way less damage, but then it would be strange that 3* Thor finish the turn after using yellow and 2* Thor don't. And of course, the abilty looses all utility if you give the other player the option of matching before you do. Why would you use an ability that gives green tiles to the other player? You could generate a cascade, but it is way too dangerous (very different ability than Hoods yellow). I think this ability is ok as it is right now. I want to play with good characters!!! I am gonna start a campaing "Don't nerf!!! Buff the rest!!!"