S.H.I.E.L.D. Clearance Level Maximum S.H.I.E.L.D. Ranks

Wumpushunter · December 2017

This change if allowed to continue will force me to stop playing and spend all my in game time here trying desperately to get my game back. I cant even play through this change like I did vaulting. I spend two hours on CL6 clears for top 10. why would I spend 3 hours in CL 7 for top 200.

broll · December 2017

Nick441234 said:

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Oh let me list the ways:
1. I'm a casual player that never played anything but DDQ. Doing this I opened lots of STs & ETs, but I rarely got anything higher than that and I got tons of XP (pre the XP change). Now I'm level 65 and my highest characters are low level 3* champs... (my alt account is exactly like this, 4 3* champs, only 1 rostered single-covered 4*, no 5*s...)
2. I decided 5* land was terrible during roster based scaling or it ruined my PvP experience so I sold all my 5*s, now I'm locked in SCL 7 and my roster is struggling.
3. I rage quit the game and deleted all my characters but one. I decide I want to come back and now my 1 covered 1* IM is locked into SCL7...

I'm sure there's more but that's just off the top of my head...

1. I cant honestly believe anyone could get to rank 65 by just playing DDQ. It wasn't that profitable.

2. I dont have any usable 5*s and CL7 is pretty easy for me.

3. Theres surely a way to start an entire new game with your level reset to 0 under those circumstances.

1. As I said, my alt did, rather easily...
2. That's fair enough, it's still conceivable someone getting to SCL 7 with few to no 4* champs and that'd rough.
3. There surely isn't. So your argument is to just make stuff up and make that your counter argument?

Addaran · December 2017

Picked CL 7 by error instead of 4 the other day. For the 2nd day of the sub, i spend around 4h, and wasn't able to complete all my clear of the last node (too hard after 3 i think). So i'm stuck playing a lot more then i would normaly, and i can't even get full progression.

Since PVE is time gated (one day per sub) the good rewards are impossible to get at your own pace like other games. If it was like prologue, it wouldn't matter if you had to face the strongest enemy you roaster can face. But like it is, you have to choose your CL based on the time you have to play.

Most people who go under their CL is for progression. They'll reach max progression and more or less stop. If they are stealing your placement (wich you don't have a right to) it's because you're playing a CL too hard for you to even do max progression. Max progression is about 4,66 clear if i remember right? So that's not even the 6 clears that still give you rewards.

bluewolf · December 2017

No offense to anyone, but no one knows yet if the change impacts PVE or just PVP. It was in a PVP change thread that it was announced. Some clarification would be appreciated.

broll · December 2017

bluewolf said:

No offense to anyone, but no one knows yet if the change impacts PVE or just PVP. It was in a PVP change thread that it was announced. Some clarification would be appreciated.

Unless it's poorly written (possible), it implys both.

S.H.I.E.L.D. Clearance Level 9 in Versus Events

S.H.I.E.L.D. Clearance Level Maximum S.H.I.E.L.D. Ranks
S.H.I.E.L.D. Clearance Levels 1 through 6 will now have both minimum and maximum S.H.I.E.L.D. Ranks. The ranges are listed below:

Notice 9 specifically calls out in Versus and the other does not clarify at all. Logically that's because there's nothing to clarify, it applies to both.

Nick441234 · December 2017

aesthetocyst said:

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Nick441234 said: .... I cant honestly believe anyone could get to rank 65 by just playing DDQ. It wasn't that profitable.

Why not? Its simple math and all it takes is time.

My alt is rank 49 on a few matches every other day ... For 2yrs

Well why would you play a game, for over 2 years, just to play DDQ?

If you were inclined to do that, why would this change to Shield rank make any difference at all? If you've only been playing DDQ for over 2 years, why would you suddenly change that?

Nick441234 · December 2017

Beer40 said:

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The rockett said:

So if this is for PVE too and you don't have the 5* E, you cannot drop down to SL6 and still play the event to rank well. You will be forced to play 7-9 and get a bad rank overall because you don't have the required char. This doesn't see right.

Yes it does. If your roster is good enough to beat the 5* node in CL7 (if you had the 5*) then your roster is too good for CL6 so you should not be in there taking rewards away from people who do belong in there. Not having the 5* shouldn't mean you drop down to CL6. Just accept that you will only play for progression in that event.

This is probably the stupidest thing I've seen on the Forum and that's saying something. We now have rewards entitlement???

Most people playing down are doing it for a quality of life purpose. We are losing out on better progression rewards to have more free time. The placement rewards aren't offsetting that.

Let me give you an example of your comment in reverse so you can see the ridiculousness of it: Should a SR 70 player be able to come up to SCL 8 and take MY rewards because they can start optimally, end optimally, and are willing to do one extra clear per node (that doesn't give rewards)? Their roster doesn't belong in SCL 8. Get out! Quit taking MY rewards.

That's called entitlement.

I have every right to drop down to SCL 6. If I were to play an entire event optimally (I haven't done one like that in nearly 2 years) and my roster is fast enough then I deserve the placement rewards, regardless of anything else. Period.

If I want to drop down to SCL 6 to play my standard non-optimal style just so I can get in and out of the game quicker then that should be my right. If, in playing sub-optimally, I happen to "take away" "your" placement then too bad. Its not like you couldn't play the "right way" and beat me.

So yea, I'm not going to directly tell you people complaining about rosters dropping down what you can do or where you can go, but I hope you figure it out for yourselves. Clearly, some of you won't.

Clearly D3 agree with me, hence the restrictions being put in. I guess you'll just have to deal with it.

Just because its quicker for you to do clears by joining CL6, doesn't make it fair. You still have no right being in that level. Clearly CL8 is your level, and you should remain in there.

Clearly, you're not very bright, and I'm not going to point out all the reasons why that is true. I'll give you one and leave this argument, because it won't go anywhere.

If D3 were concerned with your definition of fairness they would have put min/max in all SCL.

And since you turn to insults just because someone disagrees with you, it is definitely best we leave it there as you clearly aren't capable of discussion.

Nick441234 · December 2017

broll said:

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Nick441234 said:

broll said:
Oh let me list the ways:
1. I'm a casual player that never played anything but DDQ. Doing this I opened lots of STs & ETs, but I rarely got anything higher than that and I got tons of XP (pre the XP change). Now I'm level 65 and my highest characters are low level 3* champs... (my alt account is exactly like this, 4 3* champs, only 1 rostered single-covered 4*, no 5*s...)
2. I decided 5* land was terrible during roster based scaling or it ruined my PvP experience so I sold all my 5*s, now I'm locked in SCL 7 and my roster is struggling.
3. I rage quit the game and deleted all my characters but one. I decide I want to come back and now my 1 covered 1* IM is locked into SCL7...

I'm sure there's more but that's just off the top of my head...

1. I cant honestly believe anyone could get to rank 65 by just playing DDQ. It wasn't that profitable.

2. I dont have any usable 5*s and CL7 is pretty easy for me.

3. Theres surely a way to start an entire new game with your level reset to 0 under those circumstances.

1. As I said, my alt did, rather easily...
2. That's fair enough, it's still conceivable someone getting to SCL 7 with few to no 4* champs and that'd rough.
3. There surely isn't. So your argument is to just make stuff up and make that your counter argument?

If you contacted D3, explained you had deleted your entire roster but wanted to start playing again from a fresh, I'm sure they'd do something about it. Why would they deprive a new customer from playing the game?

broll · December 2017

Nick441234 said:

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broll said:

Nick441234 said:

broll said:
Oh let me list the ways:
1. I'm a casual player that never played anything but DDQ. Doing this I opened lots of STs & ETs, but I rarely got anything higher than that and I got tons of XP (pre the XP change). Now I'm level 65 and my highest characters are low level 3* champs... (my alt account is exactly like this, 4 3* champs, only 1 rostered single-covered 4*, no 5*s...)
2. I decided 5* land was terrible during roster based scaling or it ruined my PvP experience so I sold all my 5*s, now I'm locked in SCL 7 and my roster is struggling.
3. I rage quit the game and deleted all my characters but one. I decide I want to come back and now my 1 covered 1* IM is locked into SCL7...

I'm sure there's more but that's just off the top of my head...

1. I cant honestly believe anyone could get to rank 65 by just playing DDQ. It wasn't that profitable.

2. I dont have any usable 5*s and CL7 is pretty easy for me.

3. Theres surely a way to start an entire new game with your level reset to 0 under those circumstances.

1. As I said, my alt did, rather easily...
2. That's fair enough, it's still conceivable someone getting to SCL 7 with few to no 4* champs and that'd rough.
3. There surely isn't. So your argument is to just make stuff up and make that your counter argument?

If you contacted D3, explained you had deleted your entire roster but wanted to start playing again from a fresh, I'm sure they'd do something about it. Why would they deprive a new customer from playing the game?

Why wouldn't they move steam players accounts to mobile? Why wouldn't the fix bugs where people lost days of progression? We could ask why all day, unless you can prove this is something the devs can and will do, it's made up...

broll · December 2017

Nick441234 said:

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broll said:

Nick441234 said:

broll said:
Oh let me list the ways:
1. I'm a casual player that never played anything but DDQ. Doing this I opened lots of STs & ETs, but I rarely got anything higher than that and I got tons of XP (pre the XP change). Now I'm level 65 and my highest characters are low level 3* champs... (my alt account is exactly like this, 4 3* champs, only 1 rostered single-covered 4*, no 5*s...)
2. I decided 5* land was terrible during roster based scaling or it ruined my PvP experience so I sold all my 5*s, now I'm locked in SCL 7 and my roster is struggling.
3. I rage quit the game and deleted all my characters but one. I decide I want to come back and now my 1 covered 1* IM is locked into SCL7...

I'm sure there's more but that's just off the top of my head...

1. I cant honestly believe anyone could get to rank 65 by just playing DDQ. It wasn't that profitable.

2. I dont have any usable 5*s and CL7 is pretty easy for me.

3. Theres surely a way to start an entire new game with your level reset to 0 under those circumstances.

1. As I said, my alt did, rather easily...
2. That's fair enough, it's still conceivable someone getting to SCL 7 with few to no 4* champs and that'd rough.
3. There surely isn't. So your argument is to just make stuff up and make that your counter argument?

If you contacted D3, explained you had deleted your entire roster but wanted to start playing again from a fresh, I'm sure they'd do something about it. Why would they deprive a new customer from playing the game?

So on my account I go through phases. There are phases where I play DDQ everyday and that's it. There are phases where I don't touch it for months. There are phases where I play full PvE events. Casual is casual, but that's no reason to be locked out of playing most of the game...

cpeyton3535 · December 2017

Looks like a change made to address a single concern that didn't account for all scenarios or consider the broader impacts the change was going to have. This is going to really mess things up for some players.

I foresee the level of competition in 7 significantly changing. Going to be a lot of people 'trapped' there. Wonder how that's going to look?

Honestly, this is a really bad idea.

LeaveMyCookies · December 2017

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aesthetocyst said:

What's that you say? 5E nodes are only worth trivial points?

Well, even in DPvsMPQ, the shortest, cheapest event around, those two 5E nodes add up to more than 5% of points possible.

Good luck, kids!

Note that DPvMPQ did not seem to have had the points of the 5* essential node adjusted. Now we're back to it being worth less than the first easy node. Not having the 5* is going to hurt if you're going for ultra high placement, but you should be able to compete for top 50 while missing the character.

I think the bigger problem with this change is that shield rank is still a bad measure of roster strength. My shield rank is still steadily increasing, but my highest level characters are mostly staying where they are. Instead I'm just bringing more characters up to a similar level, which doesn't necessarily help me fight harder enemies.

I can confirm that, I was able to place top 50 in DP vs MPQ in both subs without having the 5* character and while still being a full 3* player, at SCL 8.

Wumpushunter · December 2017

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jamesh said:

aesthetocyst said:

What's that you say? 5E nodes are only worth trivial points?

Well, even in DPvsMPQ, the shortest, cheapest event around, those two 5E nodes add up to more than 5% of points possible.

Good luck, kids!

Note that DPvMPQ did not seem to have had the points of the 5* essential node adjusted. Now we're back to it being worth less than the first easy node. Not having the 5* is going to hurt if you're going for ultra high placement, but you should be able to compete for top 50 while missing the character.

I think the bigger problem with this change is that shield rank is still a bad measure of roster strength. My shield rank is still steadily increasing, but my highest level characters are mostly staying where they are. Instead I'm just bringing more characters up to a similar level, which doesn't necessarily help me fight harder enemies.

I can confirm that, I was able to place top 50 in DP vs MPQ in both subs without having the 5* character and while still being a full 3* player, at SCL 8.

And you did it in 30 minutes with one hand tied behind you back?

LeaveMyCookies · December 2017

Wumpushunter said:

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jamesh said:

aesthetocyst said:

What's that you say? 5E nodes are only worth trivial points?

Well, even in DPvsMPQ, the shortest, cheapest event around, those two 5E nodes add up to more than 5% of points possible.

Good luck, kids!

Note that DPvMPQ did not seem to have had the points of the 5* essential node adjusted. Now we're back to it being worth less than the first easy node. Not having the 5* is going to hurt if you're going for ultra high placement, but you should be able to compete for top 50 while missing the character.

I think the bigger problem with this change is that shield rank is still a bad measure of roster strength. My shield rank is still steadily increasing, but my highest level characters are mostly staying where they are. Instead I'm just bringing more characters up to a similar level, which doesn't necessarily help me fight harder enemies.

I can confirm that, I was able to place top 50 in DP vs MPQ in both subs without having the 5* character and while still being a full 3* player, at SCL 8.

And you did it in 30 minutes with one hand tied behind you back?

No, that's not the case. It helped that my highest level characters were boosted, and I have Thanos at 254, he's my only bonus hero.

JSP869 · December 2017

Wumpushunter said:

Lets repeat this simple fact, shield rank is not indicative of a healthy roster. Lets repeat it over and over. Some people with 80 shield rank has a far less developed roster than someone with a shield rank of 67. This is a really bad idea.

I'm at Shield Rank 99. I have all the 5* characters but none are champed or even remotely close to being fully covered. All my 1-cover 5* heroes do is let me attempt the required 5* node, they do feth all to help me beat it. I do SCL8 PvE by choice, because the rewards are better than SCL7, and because SCL8's nodes still sometimes pose a challenge so I know I'm not ready for SCL9.

I see people post from time to time that have been playing far fewer days than me, with a much lower Shield Rank, and yet their rosters are a lot better than mine. Shield Rank is not indicative of roster strength.

BoyWonder1914 · December 2017

DrStrangelov3 said:

While I understand the change to keep whales from dropping down into lower SCLs, I feel like this is going to be pretty punishing on low level rosters.

Just using my roster as an example, I just got to rank 33 recently, but don't have anywhere near the roster required to play in SCL 5. I have 1 champed 3 (Strange) and all of my 2s are hovering around level 100. Now I'm going to be going against level 177 enemies? That is going to hurt. And now I'm REALLY dreading getting to 47 and being forced into SCL 7. Don't you need like a bunch of well covered 3s for SCL 7? I feel like by the time I get to rank 47, I'll probably just have finished rostering the 3s, but not even working on covering most of them.

Appreciate the perspective, I didn't think about this all and celebrated that higher level rosters can no longer leapfrog you guys for rewards.

When they first rolled out Shield Ranks, I don't remember my exact rank, but I do remember that I used the iso to champ my 6th and 7th 3-stars (Storm & Colossus SMH). Clearance Levels soon followed, and I also remember that I was eligible for 7, but not 8 quite yet (8 also wasn't out at first, but I wasn't eligible when it was). At the same time however, scaling was still tied to roster level, so I don't think I had many nodes with folks too much over Lv 200. There also was no Dr. Strange or Thanos yet, believe it or not! I know this probably isn't what you want to hear, but just keep pushing and your champing your 3-stars as they come. Preferably go for the top tier guys first like IM40, Magneto, Iron Fist, etc, but if not things will naturally get easier regardless. I can promise you in a couple months you will be absolutely laughing at CL5.

Nick441234 · December 2017

broll said:

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Nick441234 said:

broll said:

Nick441234 said:

broll said:
Oh let me list the ways:
1. I'm a casual player that never played anything but DDQ. Doing this I opened lots of STs & ETs, but I rarely got anything higher than that and I got tons of XP (pre the XP change). Now I'm level 65 and my highest characters are low level 3* champs... (my alt account is exactly like this, 4 3* champs, only 1 rostered single-covered 4*, no 5*s...)
2. I decided 5* land was terrible during roster based scaling or it ruined my PvP experience so I sold all my 5*s, now I'm locked in SCL 7 and my roster is struggling.
3. I rage quit the game and deleted all my characters but one. I decide I want to come back and now my 1 covered 1* IM is locked into SCL7...

I'm sure there's more but that's just off the top of my head...

1. I cant honestly believe anyone could get to rank 65 by just playing DDQ. It wasn't that profitable.

2. I dont have any usable 5*s and CL7 is pretty easy for me.

3. Theres surely a way to start an entire new game with your level reset to 0 under those circumstances.

1. As I said, my alt did, rather easily...
2. That's fair enough, it's still conceivable someone getting to SCL 7 with few to no 4* champs and that'd rough.
3. There surely isn't. So your argument is to just make stuff up and make that your counter argument?

If you contacted D3, explained you had deleted your entire roster but wanted to start playing again from a fresh, I'm sure they'd do something about it. Why would they deprive a new customer from playing the game?

Why wouldn't they move steam players accounts to mobile? Why wouldn't the fix bugs where people lost days of progression? We could ask why all day, unless you can prove this is something the devs can and will do, it's made up...

Anything that has potential to make them money is likely to always be high on their list of things they'll make happen.

bluewolf · December 2017