Pre-Vaulting I hoarded because it was the most efficient use of CP when it comes to acquiring useful 5*s.
The mechanic for pulling 5*s wasn't changed, so I still hoard CP to the same degree, HOWEVER, vaulting necessitated two very impactful changes:
- I need to hoard more ISO -
To be clear the gross amount of iso needed to champion as heroes are released did not change, but what DID change is that with vaulting I can be assured that when I finally pull my hoard only the most recent 12 4*s will be pulled, so not only will that guarantee its a 4* I haven't championed (because I've been hoarding) I'll also lose the benefit of the cover going toward champion rewards which would defray iso costs. Now I have to hoard enough ISO to champion ~12 4*s if I don't want to lose a cover along with the ISO I would have had to hoard to champ 2 5*s
- I can't progress my 4*s while hoarding -
Pre-Vaulting my progress in the 4* tier was slowly made by championing with reward covers and covers from heroic tokens (and the odd even token). These champions would be of help when pulling my hoard, because any cover I get for them is a cover I don't have to worry about wasting AND its a source of reward. Now knowing these champions will not receive covers due to vaulting they wont be of help when I pull my hoard... That coupled with the fact that I now need to hoard a ton of ISO and not just CP, investing CP into 4*s that have no chance of helping me when the hoard is pulled is not an efficient use of ISO.
Net result: Higher hoard threshold combined with no progress in the 4* tier.
Of course I could elect to cripple my 5* progress and get on the train of pulling for 4* covers in the hopes that I hit 13 covers for em before they get retired. The break even resource acquisition threshold for this method is actually pretty low, 4*s are coming in at about 1 every 21 days, so you need to average about 15 pulls and 375k-ish iso every 3 weeks and eventually you will converge on a state where you tread water in 4* land, championing at the same rate new characters come out and well covering them before they retire. With this method you will NOT keep up with 5*s, for all practical purposes they will be locked behind substantial $$ investments.
I recently broke down and pulled half my LT hoard (CP, keeping LT tokens) so I could get 13 covers for wasp, because I have little faith that d3/demi will fix this issue... I've got enough covers for spiderwoman and luke cage that covering with bonus heros isn't going to be THAT painful if I want to champ them later (11 and 12 covers) so I'll have to reassess whenever the next 4* will get retired
Fightmastermpq said: When you say "hoard" are you talking about withholding opening for a couple days, weeks, months, or all of the above?Are we talking about hoarding CP to help facilitate a 5* transition, or are you specifically talking about the 4* tier only?
I think people have been chiming in across the entire problem set you mention...
My contention is that vaulting is a short term speed bump for those that are focused on solely on 4*s and didn't hoard for 5*s pre-vaulting, but a substantial PITA for those who are in the practice of hoarding CP to more efficiently cover 5*s.
With the addendum of: "I thought 5* progress was an area of concern before all this... all vaulting did w.r.t. 5* progress was kick it in the nuts."
MissChinch said: Fightmastermpq said: When you say "hoard" are you talking about withholding opening for a couple days, weeks, months, or all of the above?Are we talking about hoarding CP to help facilitate a 5* transition, or are you specifically talking about the 4* tier only? I think people have been chiming in across the entire problem set you mention...My contention is that vaulting is a short term speed bump for those that are focused on solely on 4*s and didn't hoard for 5*s pre-vaulting, but a substantial PITA for those who are in the practice of hoarding CP to more efficiently cover 5*s.With the addendum of: "I thought 5* progress was an area of concern before all this... all vaulting did w.r.t. 5* progress was kick it in the nuts."