Fightmastermpq said: MissChinch said: Fightmastermpq said: When you say "hoard" are you talking about withholding opening for a couple days, weeks, months, or all of the above?Are we talking about hoarding CP to help facilitate a 5* transition, or are you specifically talking about the 4* tier only? I think people have been chiming in across the entire problem set you mention...My contention is that vaulting is a short term speed bump for those that are focused on solely on 4*s and didn't hoard for 5*s pre-vaulting, but a substantial PITA for those who are in the practice of hoarding CP to more efficiently cover 5*s.With the addendum of: "I thought 5* progress was an area of concern before all this... all vaulting did w.r.t. 5* progress was kick it in the nuts." I'm not convinced this is really something new created by vaulting so much as vaulting just REALLY quantifies it and brings it into the spotlight.There was a thread on 5* hoarding a while back where I think it was jobob that made a recommendation on the amount of 4* champs you should have before you go through a hoard for 5*s basically thinking that you don't want to waste a ton of 4* covers when you pull for 5*s. My take was that it really doesn't matter - it's the 5*s that are going to make you more competitive not the 4*s, and virtually any amount of 4* waste is acceptable if the end state is success at the 5* tier. I think it's silly to stall 5* progress for fear of wasting 4* champ levels. And that's really no different now except that now you know that you are going to pull covers for 12 and only 12 4*s, and you know exactly how much ISO you will need to make sure no cover for those goes to waste. Most of us didn't have all the 4*s champed under the old system and so when we went through our hoards there was going to be some level of waste that had to be accepted unless we were willing to champ everyone. Champing everyone was obviously viewed as a much longer term play and so we all accepted some level of waste.Now though "champing everyone" really means champing the latest 12 which is far more attainable and so it kind of feels like vaulting has created this massive ISO need for anyone hoarding when I don't think it really has.
MissChinch said: Fightmastermpq said: When you say "hoard" are you talking about withholding opening for a couple days, weeks, months, or all of the above?Are we talking about hoarding CP to help facilitate a 5* transition, or are you specifically talking about the 4* tier only? I think people have been chiming in across the entire problem set you mention...My contention is that vaulting is a short term speed bump for those that are focused on solely on 4*s and didn't hoard for 5*s pre-vaulting, but a substantial PITA for those who are in the practice of hoarding CP to more efficiently cover 5*s.With the addendum of: "I thought 5* progress was an area of concern before all this... all vaulting did w.r.t. 5* progress was kick it in the nuts."
Fightmastermpq said: When you say "hoard" are you talking about withholding opening for a couple days, weeks, months, or all of the above?Are we talking about hoarding CP to help facilitate a 5* transition, or are you specifically talking about the 4* tier only?
I think people have been chiming in across the entire problem set you mention...
My contention is that vaulting is a short term speed bump for those that are focused on solely on 4*s and didn't hoard for 5*s pre-vaulting, but a substantial PITA for those who are in the practice of hoarding CP to more efficiently cover 5*s.
With the addendum of: "I thought 5* progress was an area of concern before all this... all vaulting did w.r.t. 5* progress was kick it in the nuts."
I can agree with that... after a month or two of legendary token pulls I fully contemplated moving from 3* to 5* ignoring 4*s entirely, because I heard that 5*s dominated all of the play anyhow once you had two of em decently leveled. If I could have kept softcapping my 3*s and the 4*s I got without issue along with keeping my PvE experience tweaked to minimize time it took to complete a cycle of nodes, I might have followed through with that.
With championing as a mechanic fading out, it may just make the most sense to skip all the 4*s you can, if you intend to play at the 5* level, as they wont make a difference once you get there (featured 4* in pve and pvp notwithstanding) all the CP and LT spent maximizing 4* gain was wasted time you could have been maximizing 5* gain... I don't like that but it may be the reality of the current state of the game...
broll said: I'm currently hoarding less than I was before. That's largely because before I was a massive hoarder saving up till I had thousands of CP and millions of ISO. Have been hoarding less for 2 reasons:1. I need to get to a point where I've champed enough of the current 12 that I have time to go back on my current hoard cycle (I'm about there now).2. I keep getting to a point where my vaulted top tier characters have 12 covers and 1 dying on the vine. So I keep trying to use BH to get that 13th cover to save me the 120 CP cost (2 for 2 right now)Once I get to a point where I have the next 4-6 of the that will drop off champed and most/all of my vaulted top tiers I expect I will start hording more than before. My hoarding goals will be come to champ all 12, then hoard for 8 months so I can insta hoard once I'm back to a fresh 12. Not sure I'll ever get to quite that point or I'll have that much patience, but that seems to be the most optimal play in the new systems (if you don't care about 5*s).If they do come out with SCL based scaling that may change that as that my finally drive me to be more agressive at get 5*s. For now I feel no strong drive to max out any 5*s, I have a few at 6-8 covers and I'm fine with that, still have a lot of 4* ground to cover. I do think that hoarding for 8 months will make it easier to max out 5*s if I choose from latest, which I probably will if they switch scaling.
It wouldn't surprise me if that approach would serve you well, (provided you pull your hoard from latest instead of classics) in 5* progression as well... depends how much CP/LT you can hoard in 8 months I guess...
Seems like a long way off, and you'd have to snag that last hero before you started your 8 month hoard (the one that would have just been added to the tokens, C&D at the moment?)
I have the same view on hoarding - I basically only hoard LTs and cp for latests. and tacos for healthpacks. tacos are unchanged. LTs and cp are unchanged, but what I have to hoard more of when I approach a target pulling date is iso. only having 12 in the pool when you pull really makes it critical to have the iso to champ all of the current 12. because over 200-300 pulls, you'll get a ton of covers that you don't want to throw away. so I guess slightly more overall, mainly just in iso in preparation for pulling day.
MissChinch said: broll said: I'm currently hoarding less than I was before. That's largely because before I was a massive hoarder saving up till I had thousands of CP and millions of ISO. Have been hoarding less for 2 reasons:1. I need to get to a point where I've champed enough of the current 12 that I have time to go back on my current hoard cycle (I'm about there now).2. I keep getting to a point where my vaulted top tier characters have 12 covers and 1 dying on the vine. So I keep trying to use BH to get that 13th cover to save me the 120 CP cost (2 for 2 right now)Once I get to a point where I have the next 4-6 of the that will drop off champed and most/all of my vaulted top tiers I expect I will start hording more than before. My hoarding goals will be come to champ all 12, then hoard for 8 months so I can insta hoard once I'm back to a fresh 12. Not sure I'll ever get to quite that point or I'll have that much patience, but that seems to be the most optimal play in the new systems (if you don't care about 5*s).If they do come out with SCL based scaling that may change that as that my finally drive me to be more agressive at get 5*s. For now I feel no strong drive to max out any 5*s, I have a few at 6-8 covers and I'm fine with that, still have a lot of 4* ground to cover. I do think that hoarding for 8 months will make it easier to max out 5*s if I choose from latest, which I probably will if they switch scaling. It wouldn't surprise me if that approach would serve you well, (provided you pull your hoard from latest instead of classics) in 5* progression as well... depends how much CP/LT you can hoard in 8 months I guess...Seems like a long way off, and you'd have to snag that last hero before you started your 8 month hoard (the one that would have just been added to the tokens, C&D at the moment?)
I was already hoarding Before vaulting hit, and I kept doing it afterwards, so I guess "no change" is the best answer for me.
Now I have opened my hoard and am opening as soon as I can, FWIW.
Brendover said: I never hoarded before. I was happy with my slow, diluted 4* progression.Now that vaulting is a thing, I'm just going to hoard until I can fully cover some 5* characters.Vaulting has been an awful change that has sucked a lot of joy out of my daily play.