nick_chicane wrote: raisinbman wrote: nick_chicane wrote: ideal build is 5/3/5 no, ideal build is 3/5/5 b/c of the evidence we've presented The only evidence I've seen is that her green is completely unreliable. Numerous times I've tried to destroy enemy tiles with it to find it destroys all tiles around it and leaves the enemy tile alone. What use is that?
raisinbman wrote: nick_chicane wrote: ideal build is 5/3/5 no, ideal build is 3/5/5 b/c of the evidence we've presented
nick_chicane wrote: ideal build is 5/3/5
vudu3 wrote: raisinbman wrote: nick_chicane wrote: ideal build is 5/3/5 no, ideal build is 3/5/5 b/c of the evidence we've presented I see no such evidence. 5/3/5 for life.
Quebbster wrote: a fun power
raisinbman wrote: nick_chicane wrote: raisinbman wrote: nick_chicane wrote: ideal build is 5/3/5 no, ideal build is 3/5/5 b/c of the evidence we've presented The only evidence I've seen is that her green is completely unreliable. Numerous times I've tried to destroy enemy tiles with it to find it destroys all tiles around it and leaves the enemy tile alone. What use is that? so you admit that's your personal experience have a good day vudu3 wrote: raisinbman wrote: nick_chicane wrote: ideal build is 5/3/5 no, ideal build is 3/5/5 b/c of the evidence we've presented I see no such evidence. 5/3/5 for life. so you admit that's your personal experience have a good day Quebbster wrote: a fun power oh no
Quebbster wrote: Isn't the whole point of this forum to exchange personal experiences?
raisinbman wrote: Quebbster wrote: Isn't the whole point of this forum to exchange personal experiences? nope, not when we're talking "ideal builds", we must think of all players and the optimal situations. These ppl are talking about their personal builds or preferences.
raisinbman wrote: nick_chicane wrote: raisinbman wrote: nick_chicane wrote: ideal build is 5/3/5 no, ideal build is 3/5/5 b/c of the evidence we've presented The only evidence I've seen is that her green is completely unreliable. Numerous times I've tried to destroy enemy tiles with it to find it destroys all tiles around it and leaves the enemy tile alone. What use is that? so you admit that's your personal experience have a good day
Quebbster wrote: raisinbman wrote: Quebbster wrote: Isn't the whole point of this forum to exchange personal experiences? nope, not when we're talking "ideal builds", we must think of all players and the optimal situations. These ppl are talking about their personal builds or preferences. But the ideal build depends a whole lot on how you want to play the character. I want my Scarlet Witch to be able to stand on her own. Thus 5/3/5 is my ideal build. You prefer to use her to feed AP to other characters. Thus 3/5/5 is your ideal build. Doesn't make one build truly better than the other, it's just different uses. You can probably make more powerful teams with a 3/5/5 Wanda, but the team composition is more limited as you need another purple outlet. A 5/3/5 Wanda takes care of her own business better, but isn't as effective supporting her teammates. It's all subjective.
raisinbman wrote: her green isnt relevant, the purple tier is more relevant
simonsez wrote: raisinbman wrote: her green isnt relevant, the purple tier is more relevant Then why are you arguing with people who are saying her build should be 3 green?
raisinbman wrote: 5 in blue is only requirement for scarlet witch as u can see
Ruinate wrote: raisinbman wrote: 5 in blue is only requirement for scarlet witch as u can see Where is the evidence for 355 you speak of?
daibar wrote: Ruinate wrote: raisinbman wrote: 5 in blue is only requirement for scarlet witch as u can see Where is the evidence for 355 you speak of? SW+Kingpin in a longer match SW+Deadpool+ BP/Fury SW+Antman Basically anywhere you want to generated Pink for another user who doesn't use green. Most people would probably use 535 though.
nick_chicane wrote: You come across as extremely arrogant with your replies, as if only your answers can possibly be correct. Doesn't everyone give their favourite builds on personal experience? Surely thats all you can ever do unless you just follow like sheep.
Bowgentle wrote: simonsez wrote: raisinbman wrote: her green isnt relevant, the purple tier is more relevant Then why are you arguing with people who are saying her build should be 3 green? His SW is 4/4/3. Now you know why he disregards personal experience.
Ruinate wrote: daibar wrote: Ruinate wrote: raisinbman wrote: 5 in blue is only requirement for scarlet witch as u can see Where is the evidence for 355 you speak of? SW+Kingpin in a longer match SW+Deadpool+ BP/Fury SW+Antman Basically anywhere you want to generated Pink for another user who doesn't use green. Most people would probably use 535 though. I know why and when you would build 355. My Witch has been that way until her fix. I just think it's ridiculous that Raisin says "5 blue is the only thing that matters" and then goes and tinykitty on people who think 535 is a better fit for them because of all the evidence that he never even provided. And so people give their anecdotal evidence supporting 535 and he condescendingly dismisses them when he doesn't have any anecdotes of his own. That's just facepalm.
nick_chicane wrote: Does purple only stun at 5 covers? That would at least explain why Raisin doesn't appreciate 5 covers on purple if he's never actually seen it in action. It is a little funny though that he's dismissing something he's never had. I dont point blank disagree with people going 3/5/5 but my personal experience of 4 covers on green is that it never destroyed the tiles I wanted it to. I could fully get behind 5 green if you could pick the tiles to destroy so you could wipe out say 2 or 3 enemy tiles. Whats been happening to me is that the one tile I wanted destroyed would stay put and all the ones around it would be destroyed. It was completely random which tiles would go! Useless in my eyes. The 5 turn stun and 2000 damage to each opponent just appeals a lot more to me than playing the 5 green lottery.
Phaserhawk wrote: I would never go 3/5/5. 4/4/5 maybe, although I prefer 5/3/5. The reason being, because green is random, you can only get an idea of what it may destroy, but not being able to destroy certain tiles actually makes the skill more predictable in what type of AP you will get. There are much better board destroyers than SW, so bring X-Force if you need the board wiped out, but if you are using Ms.Purple generation, not being able to destroy certain tiles will help you figure out what ones will get destroyed and with that you can be very strategic in gathering those last few AP to go off.
nick_chicane wrote: And I'm thinking of the community when I suggest 5/3/5, cause it works for me, so some other people might want to try it too. This thread wouldn't be 17 pages long if we were banned from discussing any other possible builds. Now get off your high horse and come back when you can actually offer a personal opinion rather than just following the sheep.
Buret0 wrote: notamutant wrote: Can we start talking good teammates for her? So far, we have focused on her counter-abilities and as an individual character. I think she needs a single target high damage teammate, and/or a low AP teammate. At 10 and 12 AP for her two attack moves, you need someone to help out against low health targets with quick low damage, and high health targets with single target high damage. Scarlet Witch seems like a no-brainer to me as her purple battery. Cyclops for the rainbow, but not a fully active rainbow, because of the blue passives. Why are so many blue and yellow abilities passive? PX and Jean together. Damned if you do, damned if you don't on the match 5s... too bad Blind Spot uses Purple. Bringing SW in to power them both up seems like a waste because you've left too many passives and your entire active AP use is Purple/Green, so defensively it is going to be a "pray for match 5s" while your opponent strips the board of anything useful. Maybe not a great couple. Anyone who makes big strike tiles + Jean. AoE damage makes triple use of strike tiles as long as the whole team is still alive. Hulkbuster + Mean Jean? Active blue, red, and black. Black and blue fuel red, black also fuels the AoE damage with strike tiles. You can go fistbuster with a 3/5/5 Jean and let fist use the purple. Green production is slow. 5/5/3 Cycbuster + Jean? Carnagebuster? She's got the power to wipe the carnage tiles out and they both benefit from strike tiles. Patchbuster for that extra strike tile creation? Cagebuster for the fully active rainbow? Hood/Thing/Jean? AP steal + damage protection for the squishy? Alternatively Loki and just keep giving them match 4s and 5s intentionally. Hopefully the crit is even strong enough to force Thing to poop out protect tiles. Magneto is a good option. Only thing missing is a option. Maybe throw in Gamora as the third for her strike tile generation? Maybe Cage instead? Cage is a good option. Only thing missing is an active red/blue (buster, as noted above). Goddess or Cap? Really, the ideal teams with her are going to be: 1) PvP or PvE? 2) Who is in the enemy line-up? 3) Who is boosted?
notamutant wrote: Can we start talking good teammates for her? So far, we have focused on her counter-abilities and as an individual character. I think she needs a single target high damage teammate, and/or a low AP teammate. At 10 and 12 AP for her two attack moves, you need someone to help out against low health targets with quick low damage, and high health targets with single target high damage.