ark123 wrote: Lerysh wrote: Really? Because using blue to make 3 charge tiles instead of 5 doesn't sound like it's helping. By strictly inferior I meant "any chance I could use Ragnarok and Thor on the same node, I'm taking Thor". Pretty sure that's exactly what it means. I mean it's not. Strictly inferior means worse in every case. Maybe you're thinking of the word "worse". Or maybe you've come up with a new definition for those words, like when someone uses "literally" to mean "very much so".
Lerysh wrote: Really? Because using blue to make 3 charge tiles instead of 5 doesn't sound like it's helping. By strictly inferior I meant "any chance I could use Ragnarok and Thor on the same node, I'm taking Thor". Pretty sure that's exactly what it means.
Lerysh wrote: The saddest thing is he's not even that hard to fix, just recost Godlike Power.
Lerysh wrote: ark123 wrote: Lerysh wrote: Really? Because using blue to make 3 charge tiles instead of 5 doesn't sound like it's helping. By strictly inferior I meant "any chance I could use Ragnarok and Thor on the same node, I'm taking Thor". Pretty sure that's exactly what it means. I mean it's not. Strictly inferior means worse in every case. Maybe you're thinking of the word "worse". Or maybe you've come up with a new definition for those words, like when someone uses "literally" to mean "very much so". He *IS* worse in every case. If it's possible to bring Thor, Thor is better than Ragnarok. I said what I meant damnit.
NorthernPolarity wrote: onimus wrote: He competes with Beast and Doc Oc for "Worst 3 star" The only thing that makes him slightly better than those 2 is his health, which is a nice 10.2k. His Red is still good for spammable damage. Unfortunately, now it leads into nothing, rather than a meh green. His Green is stupid and outclassed, but it isn't....awful damage...I mean, it is. But it's not Sentry Green bad. And then his blue....awful. Horrendous. Terrifyingly embarrassing. You literally can't overexaggerate how bad that ability is. A tinykitty burst heal that makes a hand full of charge tiles that are just as likely to never be matched as they are to be matched by the enemy. It's a shame because, even though he was totally outclassed in every single way, his old version was at least usable. This Ragnarok is just useless beyond all comprehension. This is a whole new level of nerfing. Nerfing a character into uselessness used to be called pulling a Sentry. But from this point on, it will be known as Bagnaroking. His red alone makes him a higher tier than Beast or Doc Ock: I think it's insane that you all think that new Ragnarok is somehow in the bottom tier of 3*. I mean sure, you can write off his red as "good damage that leads into nothing", or you can describe it as what it actually is, which is thunder strike color shifted into blue (which 2 ragnarok reds is actually equivalent to). Given that Thunder Strike is an OP tier ability, it then follows that any character with literally only this ability and nothing else (which WORST case scenario is what Rags is) in of itself cannot be bottom tier SOLELY based on the power level of this singular ability. What does it take to make Ragnarok good? A single overpowered blue ability. Thunderclap into demolition is insane. Thunderclap into grocket blue is probably very good, so on and so forth. What does it take to make beast good? Nothing, because even in the most ideal scenario, he's extremely inconsistent and still hardly impacts the game at all. We can proclaim the terribleness of blue and use that to justify that Ragnarok is no better than he was before and arguably worse, but to say that he's as bad as Doc Ock and Beast is just a plain overreaction, and overreactions like this simply undermine the opinions of the forum in general, since why would the devs listen to people who call any character that isn't say Punisher tier beast tier?
onimus wrote: He competes with Beast and Doc Oc for "Worst 3 star" The only thing that makes him slightly better than those 2 is his health, which is a nice 10.2k. His Red is still good for spammable damage. Unfortunately, now it leads into nothing, rather than a meh green. His Green is stupid and outclassed, but it isn't....awful damage...I mean, it is. But it's not Sentry Green bad. And then his blue....awful. Horrendous. Terrifyingly embarrassing. You literally can't overexaggerate how bad that ability is. A tinykitty burst heal that makes a hand full of charge tiles that are just as likely to never be matched as they are to be matched by the enemy. It's a shame because, even though he was totally outclassed in every single way, his old version was at least usable. This Ragnarok is just useless beyond all comprehension. This is a whole new level of nerfing. Nerfing a character into uselessness used to be called pulling a Sentry. But from this point on, it will be known as Bagnaroking.
Heartburn wrote: gamar wrote: onimus wrote: It's a shame because, even though he was totally outclassed in every single way, his old version was at least usable. This Ragnarok is just useless beyond all comprehension. Now you're going too far. Due to his "no strong color" mechanic old Rags generally tanked no colors so his high-ish HP was useless; and his cheap, bad green meant the AI loved to use that instead of your team's better green. He was the only character in the game (INCLUDING Beast and Doc Ock) where I would rather go into battle with just two characters than have him on my team. In no way was old Rags usable. I like to use him with my xforce as a 3rd string partner as a red to green generator
gamar wrote: onimus wrote: It's a shame because, even though he was totally outclassed in every single way, his old version was at least usable. This Ragnarok is just useless beyond all comprehension. Now you're going too far. Due to his "no strong color" mechanic old Rags generally tanked no colors so his high-ish HP was useless; and his cheap, bad green meant the AI loved to use that instead of your team's better green. He was the only character in the game (INCLUDING Beast and Doc Ock) where I would rather go into battle with just two characters than have him on my team. In no way was old Rags usable.
onimus wrote: It's a shame because, even though he was totally outclassed in every single way, his old version was at least usable. This Ragnarok is just useless beyond all comprehension.
Lerysh wrote: The saddest thing is he's not even that hard to fix, just recost Godlike Power. If it were 10 he would have a viable use as an alternate to Thor. Hell you could even play him alongside Thor so both Blue and Yellow go into Green. Situation would dictate if you want cheap self damage AoE or more expensive better single target AoE.
konannfriends wrote: uhhmm i dont have maxed thor sooo. cant i advocate and hate on him. i mean who ever said hes to slow can *** because i get killed by that last minute thunderstrike into call of the storm all the time.
ark123 wrote: Lerysh wrote: ark123 wrote: Lerysh wrote: Really? Because using blue to make 3 charge tiles instead of 5 doesn't sound like it's helping. By strictly inferior I meant "any chance I could use Ragnarok and Thor on the same node, I'm taking Thor". Pretty sure that's exactly what it means. I mean it's not. Strictly inferior means worse in every case. Maybe you're thinking of the word "worse". Or maybe you've come up with a new definition for those words, like when someone uses "literally" to mean "very much so". He *IS* worse in every case. If it's possible to bring Thor, Thor is better than Ragnarok. I said what I meant damnit. You're just wrong. Obviously. I mean he even has a different color, that alone makes him better in some cases, when you need a blue. He heals, makes charged tiles. He doesn't produce new tiles, so he doesn't activate mischief. If you mean what you said, you just don't understand how the game works.
Pylgrim wrote: You are being purposefully contrarian and you know it.
ark123 wrote: You're just wrong. Obviously. I mean he even has a different color, that alone makes him better in some cases, when you need a blue. He heals, makes charged tiles. He doesn't produce new tiles, so he doesn't activate mischief. If you mean what you said, you just don't understand how the game works.
Pylgrim wrote: you can argue that the word "strictly" cannot be used
ark123 wrote: GT rag loki >GT lthor loki(which can't be used) There's another point for rags. He isn't one of the 3 thors.