rkd80 wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: rkd80 wrote: In my view, there is no way he is getting released with those skills. My main reasoning is the purple stun. This would be the first time such a potent stun is not on a blue (one exception is Ms Marvel's black stun). Pairing Gorgon with DD/Cap/Spidey/etc and you will have stun galore. Just my 2 cents of course. so a 6 turn stun that relies on a maxed 5 covers to turn out a 3 CD tile is OP? I mean for 3 more AP Storm Classic can stun a target for 4 turns and AoE damage and before the tweak DD had a 5 turn stun for cheaper than that. No his red is strong and his black has no down side so might as well max it, so no, his purple is his worst skill and is not OP at all. I never said he was OP, I said that combining such a long stun on a non-blue AP can potentially lead to stun locking problems that D3 tried to avoid in the past. Do you think it is just a coincidence that every stun is on blue and every heal is on yellow? They are bucketing certain move types per color for a reason.
Phaserhawk wrote: rkd80 wrote: In my view, there is no way he is getting released with those skills. My main reasoning is the purple stun. This would be the first time such a potent stun is not on a blue (one exception is Ms Marvel's black stun). Pairing Gorgon with DD/Cap/Spidey/etc and you will have stun galore. Just my 2 cents of course. so a 6 turn stun that relies on a maxed 5 covers to turn out a 3 CD tile is OP? I mean for 3 more AP Storm Classic can stun a target for 4 turns and AoE damage and before the tweak DD had a 5 turn stun for cheaper than that. No his red is strong and his black has no down side so might as well max it, so no, his purple is his worst skill and is not OP at all.
rkd80 wrote: In my view, there is no way he is getting released with those skills. My main reasoning is the purple stun. This would be the first time such a potent stun is not on a blue (one exception is Ms Marvel's black stun). Pairing Gorgon with DD/Cap/Spidey/etc and you will have stun galore. Just my 2 cents of course.
Lerysh wrote: Facing Gorgon with DD and Elektra in SIM made me realize he isn't that scary. When he isn't being handed his AP on a silver plate by hand ninja he's just a regular old 3* with a pretty good Red. A 6 turn stun is good but at 10 purple and a 3 round delay on it, it's not game breaking. I could see Gorgon being released after Luke Cage, in a rerun of the Hand event or a Heroic.
LoreNYC wrote: Apparently this also shows that 3* can still be better than 4*
Spoit wrote: LoreNYC wrote: Apparently this also shows that 3* can still be better than 4* To be fair, elektra showed that pretty well too Also, is it just me, or does stunning him actually not stop call the hand from triggering?
Grizzlegom wrote: Is there a (good) reason he hasn't been released to us? Unlike Devil Dino, who wasn't complete since he was just a green, it seems weird that they have this completed character but haven't released him given the rate of new characters and all. I don't really think he'd be that crazy powerful when you factor in needing to limit one of his abilities to 3 covers as it seems to be pretty easy to scale his current abilities down in the lower cover levels.
Phaserhawk wrote: Grizzlegom wrote: Is there a (good) reason he hasn't been released to us? Unlike Devil Dino, who wasn't complete since he was just a green, it seems weird that they have this completed character but haven't released him given the rate of new characters and all. I don't really think he'd be that crazy powerful when you factor in needing to limit one of his abilities to 3 covers as it seems to be pretty easy to scale his current abilities down in the lower cover levels. Well, considering he would instnatly be a top 3 character, there are probably some balance issues with him.
Grizzlegom wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: Grizzlegom wrote: Is there a (good) reason he hasn't been released to us? Unlike Devil Dino, who wasn't complete since he was just a green, it seems weird that they have this completed character but haven't released him given the rate of new characters and all. I don't really think he'd be that crazy powerful when you factor in needing to limit one of his abilities to 3 covers as it seems to be pretty easy to scale his current abilities down in the lower cover levels. Well, considering he would instnatly be a top 3 character, there are probably some balance issues with him. Why do you say that? In nodes where he wasn't being spoon-fed red, he didn't seem very strong. Two of his abilities require countdowns to go off and the third, while powerful, isn't OP. Between looking at him on paper and playing him, I don't see how he's significantly better than guys like Panther, Fury, and 3* Thor and I don't see what's bad about introducing another character to the overall playerbase that's on their level (I'm truthfully not even sure he is, I'd put him closer to Blade's level, personally).
Phaserhawk wrote: the biggest reason....He would have 10200 Health and that would automatically put him in the top tier.
simonsez wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: the biggest reason....He would have 10200 Health and that would automatically put him in the top tier. So? Are you saying they shouldn't release anymore 3s that would be any good? I could understand if you were arguing that he's broken in some way, but to say that they shouldn't release him because he'd be good, is a pretty odd argument.
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Grizzlegom wrote: I'm very confused with the OP and not remotely balanced talk. Are we facing the same Gorgon? Debilitating Slash does 282 damage/AP at level 166, the stun is a randomly placed 3 turn countdown, and his black is randomly placed and not particularly powerful given it is based on the number of characters still alive. By the time it would go off on defense without feeders, you likely downed at least 1 character. I feel like you guys are facing ridiculously scaled ones due to having 270s and have a very biased opinion here based upon that. Having fought him pretty consistently at 166, even with feeders, I truly think he's in the usable category but not game breaking or OP. *shrugs*